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What, you don't like Kriegers throwing meltaguns between each other like some absurdist grimdark game of hot potato?

Or Necron scarabs being full of goo..?

IIRC Dead Men Walking was written while the author went through a rough patch, which would explain a lot of stuff in that novel.

 Lord Damocles wrote:
What, you don't like Kriegers throwing meltaguns between each other like some absurdist grimdark game of hot potato?

Or Necron scarabs being full of goo..?

I'm not saying it didn't have it's moments. That was actually a very good explanation that I also use to justify that the special weapons bearer also seems to die last in squad. I also enjoyed the "love can bloom" ark, it was very appropiately grim dark. Especially when the protagonist finally became a hero.

But I wanted to read a Krieg novel, you know, from a Krieg perspektive. All that book has is senseless automata, the Necrons are comparatively humane by that standard. That was a big let down for me. Down Amongst Dead Men was a little better, but still far off. The best depiction was done by Mitchell in one of the Cain novels. It was short and you could read that the author didn't really know what to do with them, but obviously had to include them for miniature marketing reasons. Yes it was still third person, Cain observing them an all that. But they had character, competence and felt like there was a human underneath the masks. Correct me if I am wrong, but at this point I have no hope at all that we might find something like a person that has an agenda and a personality in the Krieg ranks. It might just turn out to be another story, where they are a background noise in their own book.

 nels1031 wrote:
For those interested in Warhammer Horror, the last sentence of newly released Gothgul Hollow is something of a bombshell for those of us who have been here since the start of Warhammer fiction.

Read at own peril :

Spoiler:

“Genevieve,’ she said slowly. ‘My name is Genevieve Dieudonné.”

OMG -must get - although they could

The book was on my list anyway but will need to get it faster

Managed to nab a copy of Xenos and the Successors anthology before the latter sold out. Sigismund is also, surprise surprise, completely sold out.

Finished Krieg. After the awesome Dead Man Walking it was a huge let down. Mediocre at best.

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Finished Krieg. After the awesome Dead Man Walking it was a huge let down. Mediocre at best.

Really? I throughly enjoyed it. I thought the origin stuff superb.

 Knockagh wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Finished Krieg. After the awesome Dead Man Walking it was a huge let down. Mediocre at best.

Really? I throughly enjoyed it. I thought the origin stuff superb.

The origin stuff was interested at the start of it but later it degraded, and felt forced. Together with the extremely boring Inquisitor parts it made for a poor reading for me. Dead Man Walking was fresh and original but this book felt like it was written just because they needed to advertise the DKoK Kill Team.

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Dead Man Walking was fresh and original [...]

Well, as fresh and original as something 11 years old can be...

 Jack Flask wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Dead Man Walking was fresh and original [...]

Well, as fresh and original as something 11 years old can be...

True On a serious note - I read it when it was released for the first time

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 Jack Flask wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Dead Man Walking was fresh and original [...]

Well, as fresh and original as something 11 years old can be...

True On a serious note - I read it when it was released for the first time

So did I
When I was in high school I used to buy every new Black Library release that I could, and I now have an entire bookshelf full of them

Fifteen Hours is also a grim classic.

 Jack Flask wrote:


Fifteen Hours is also a grim classic.

Yeah, it has its flaws but it is probably still the best description of what a gurdsman #483939 could expect in ''reality' of 40k.

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 Jack Flask wrote:


Fifteen Hours is also a grim classic.

Yeah, it has its flaws but it is probably still the best description of what a gurdsman #483939 could expect in ''reality' of 40k.

It's really not though. The whole premise is centered around not a Guardsman but a conscript.

It's a "meh" book at best.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 Jack Flask wrote:


Fifteen Hours is also a grim classic.

Yeah, it has its flaws but it is probably still the best description of what a gurdsman #483939 could expect in ''reality' of 40k.

It's really not though. The whole premise is centered around not a Guardsman but a conscript.

They are conscripted into the Guard = they are Guardsmen, just inexperienced. Most will die (which the book is about), some survive to die in other battles (which are described in other books).

 Shadow Walker wrote:

They are conscripted into the Guard = they are Guardsmen, just inexperienced.

Cool, so Ogryn are Guardsmen?

No? How about Scions, are they Guardsmen? No?!
There's a specific terminology that's used. You're not a Guardsman until you're a Guardsman(i.e. part of an Infantry Squad or a tank crew).

The whole bloody book title is additionally specific to the locality in the book. The "15 Hours" refers to how long replacements are expected to last in a warzone that's been effectively been overrun for 10 years, with ships occasionally dropping off small reinforcements.

Most will die (which the book is about), some survive to die in other battles (which are described in other books).

The book is about how the Imperium has so much manpower to throw away that they're sending regiments into a 10 year old warzone with no concern because of clerical errors.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:

They are conscripted into the Guard = they are Guardsmen, just inexperienced.

Cool, so Ogryn are Guardsmen?

No? How about Scions, are they Guardsmen? No?!
There's a specific terminology that's used. You're not a Guardsman until you're a Guardsman(i.e. part of an Infantry Squad or a tank crew).

The whole bloody book title is additionally specific to the locality in the book. The "15 Hours" refers to how long replacements are expected to last in a warzone that's been effectively been overrun for 10 years, with ships occasionally dropping off small reinforcements.

Most will die (which the book is about), some survive to die in other battles (which are described in other books).

The book is about how the Imperium has so much manpower to throw away that they're sending regiments into a 10 year old warzone with no concern because of clerical errors.

Ogryn etc. are auxiliaries not a guardsmen. Scions also are not guardsmen. Only because you have a separate unit called conscripts it does not mean it is not a guard. Many of the Russians invaders are conscripts too - so are they Russian Army or not? And how different is what I said about most of them dying from that what you said that the Imperium will throw their lives away because it can?

 Shadow Walker wrote:

Ogryn etc. are auxiliaries not a guardsmen. Scions also are not guardsmen. Only because you have a separate unit called conscripts it does not mean it is not a guard.

Yeah, actually it does.

Conscripts != Guardsmen. This is not new lore people.

And how different is what I said about most of them dying from that what you said that the Imperium will throw their lives away because it can?

Yours insinuates that they die because they're Guardsmen. Mine specifies the origin of that garbage "Fifteen Hours" title and the trash meme that Guard lore discussions have become since it was published.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:

Ogryn etc. are auxiliaries not a guardsmen. Scions also are not guardsmen. Only because you have a separate unit called conscripts it does not mean it is not a guard.

Yeah, actually it does.

Conscripts != Guardsmen. This is not new lore people.

And how different is what I said about most of them dying from that what you said that the Imperium will throw their lives away because it can?

Yours insinuates that they die because they're Guardsmen. Mine specifies the origin of that garbage "Fifteen Hours" title and the trash meme that Guard lore discussions have become since it was published.

If you are conscripted into the army you become the army.
Yes, they die because they are guardsmen as their role is to give their lives for the emperor. Guard is throwing people into the meat grinder just because it can, having as you said manpower to do this. That does not mean it is always the same scenario, depending on the battlefield, and current resources but it is often the best solution because life is so cheap, and easy to aquire for the Guard.

Less salt please, take it somewhere else.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Mine specifies the origin of that garbage "Fifteen Hours" title and the trash meme that Guard lore discussions have become since it was published.

Unfortunately, one of the newer Guard book from BL has a Guardsman mentioning how he outlived his ''fifteen hours'' so it's gone from a specific time frame in one peculiar warzone for Conscripts to a gakky meme to apparently a thing. I forgot the book, but it was probably announced here, as well as one of the Kill Team book. It's really unfortunate, and it's definitely some trashy lore I'll happily ignore, but folks will certainly mention it in the future. So yay for making the Guard even crappier than it was.

More Crime stuff on the way: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/03/30/warhammer-crime-a-new-season-of-dark-thrillers-begins/

Would've loved another Baggit and Clodde audio drama, but a full novel will do nicely instead.

It's been a while but Black Library is back with a vengeance in the Amazon Kindle monthly deals section. Not a full list and I don't know if the deals exist outside the UK but here is a selection below:

Necron novel, The Infinite and The Devine.
Gaunt's Ghosts omnibus versions.
Grey Knights omnibus.
The Emperor's Gift.
Gate of Bones
Two Bequin novels.
Early Horus Heresy novels.

If you don't have Horus Rising welcome to Earth but there are some newer ones. Gate of Bones for 99p is nice as I've just read the first one after picking it up via a Humble Bundle.

Enjoy.

Gate of Bones. Yeah I need to read the series that’s in. Avenging Sons rings a bell?
And the first introduction of Primaris trilogy (Dark Imperium books?), and then maybe whatever came out for 9th..


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 BrookM wrote:
More Crime stuff on the way: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/03/30/warhammer-crime-a-new-season-of-dark-thrillers-begins/

Would've loved another Baggit and Clodde audio drama, but a full novel will do nicely instead.

Really enjoyed Flesh and Steel.
Have the rest of the Crime stuff. Just need to get through it all

Avenging Son is the first book in the Dawn of Fire series, Gate of Bones the second one.

And yes! If you somehow don't have Horus Rising at this point, where have you been?

Danny76 wrote:
Gate of Bones. Yeah I need to read the series that’s in. Avenging Sons rings a bell?
And the first introduction of Primaris trilogy (Dark Imperium books?), and then maybe whatever came out for 9th..


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 BrookM wrote:
More Crime stuff on the way: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/03/30/warhammer-crime-a-new-season-of-dark-thrillers-begins/

Would've loved another Baggit and Clodde audio drama, but a full novel will do nicely instead.

Really enjoyed Flesh and Steel.
Have the rest of the Crime stuff. Just need to get through it all

Flesh and Steel is my fave warhammer book of them all, Bloodlines is good Grim repast is ok and pretty much all of Broken City is awesome, especially Bleedout, its crazy fast paced and written like it should be a movie.

Very excited for new Crime stuff personally.

Very much enjoying the new Horror line books too.
Got several of those to catch up on. Along with everything else..

 BrookM wrote:
Avenging Son is the first book in the Dawn of Fire series, Gate of Bones the second one.

And yes! If you somehow don't have Horus Rising at this point, where have you been?

You misunderstand.

I read Avenging Son via Humble Bundle and now have Gate of Bones cheap via the Kindle Sale.

I've found over the last couple years that, unless I desperately want a specific book, Humble Bundle and Kindle monthly deals allow me to scratch my Black Library itch at a fantastic price.

Now, if only Godblight was on sale.

Yeah, stacks of good books on sale on Amazon today, and several that haven't been on sale on Amazon before either. Good to see these making a return, I was nearly half way through my backlog from the last sales

re: Crime books, still like Bloodlines best myself and I still need to get over the fact there is a lot of actual swearing in these books. Some use it sparingly or to get a point across while others.. like a teenager being permitted to sit at the grown ups table sometimes. Nick Kyme in particular seems to want to cram in as many f-bombs as he can these days.

Hated the protagonist of Flesh and Steel, such an donkey-cave! Still working my way through Grim Repast, but really want a sequel to Bloodlines, as the main character and the secret he carries with him, so good.

I really liked Noctis.
I listened to it on Audible and thought he read very well. Maybe the voice made him more likable.