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The hardbacks come out the same day as the LE so it's not that. I think it's more that the whole "Siege of Terra" story is it's own ordered, single story, which is in part dependant on the other 50+ books from the HH series.

People aren't caught up, but it's not the same as the main series where it's like "well you can follow the Dark Angels story by just reading these 6 books"

It's harder to dip into - it does feel designed for people who have read the whole series.

"This entire LE edition is due to GW’s greed. Back when BL started the Horus Heresy, and while the HH books were hitting the bestseller list, there were no LE products."

There weren't even any hardback editions. You had MMPB and that was it.

I have plenty of limited edition sourcebooks from before / around that time but they're produced by GW. Still it's not like LE runs were an unknown concept to them. Everyone who's said they're giving up on chasing these things is making the right choice imo, it's not even close. I made this choice many years ago, not only will you not lose any happiness, you'll actually feel better.

 farmersboy wrote:
"This entire LE edition is due to GW’s greed. Back when BL started the Horus Heresy, and while the HH books were hitting the bestseller list, there were no LE products."

There weren't even any hardback editions. You had MMPB and that was it.

And they didn't sell out day one, either! Lots of these harbacks seem to go quick, and then it's a long wait to the paperback printing, meaning there's a divide between people able to read the book and those who want to but are unable to.

BL has done horrible things well before HH was a thing. Remember when the books of certain authors were first sold as overly expensive hardbacks before they got the paperback treatment? Some of the Ghost novels were given special treatment as well, making fans wait forever for a normal edition to drop.

Thankfully most limited editions are released alongside normal editions these days, when they kicked off the Siege of Terra with limited editions first, then months later the regular hardback edition, that was a scummy move which they thankfully stopped around Warhawk.

And yes, biggest annoyance nowadays is how small some of the printing runs are, if I really want a book, I need to make sure I get it day one, lest it sells out in no time at all.

 BrookM wrote:
BL has done horrible things well before HH was a thing. Remember when the books of certain authors were first sold as overly expensive hardbacks before they got the paperback treatment?

I remember. I got Aurelian novella as silver edition because the original = gold was out in no time, and they realised that the demand was there hence silver edition. That was the last special edition hardback I got from them.
edit: I misread it. It was supposed to be before HH. My mistake

 BrookM wrote:
BL has done horrible things well before HH was a thing. Remember when the books of certain authors were first sold as overly expensive hardbacks before they got the paperback treatment? Some of the Ghost novels were given special treatment as well, making fans wait forever for a normal edition to drop.

Thankfully most limited editions are released alongside normal editions these days, when they kicked off the Siege of Terra with limited editions first, then months later the regular hardback edition, that was a scummy move which they thankfully stopped around Warhawk.

And yes, biggest annoyance nowadays is how small some of the printing runs are, if I really want a book, I need to make sure I get it day one, lest it sells out in no time at all.

You'd be surprised at the figures in the book industry in general. People just don't buy printed books anymore, if you reach mid-4-digits in a week that can already get you on some bestseller lists, and if you manage to break 10.000 units sold in a week you're pretty much guaranteed to appear on one. The majority of large publisher books that could be classified as entertainment average total lifetime sales in the mid-thousands, if you're breaking 10k you're already uncommonly succesful. Compared to these numbers, even GW's 'Limited Editions' are huge.

You can vote for book of the year 2022 here: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/02/22/cast-your-vote-today-to-crown-the-black-library-book-of-the-year/

Bit surprised at how little of those I've bought, but still need to read. Decided to go with the Ghost novella myself.


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 Shadow Walker wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
BL has done horrible things well before HH was a thing. Remember when the books of certain authors were first sold as overly expensive hardbacks before they got the paperback treatment?

I remember. I got Aurelian novella as silver edition because the original = gold was out in no time, and they realised that the demand was there hence silver edition. That was the last special edition hardback I got from them.

Hehe, that I do remember! Oh man, I stopped trying after.. I think it was Aurelian as well, those novellas were a real crime on the series, not just because of how limited they were, but also that some, not all of them, but some, added NOTHING to the series as a whole, just more padding, but in a limited and expensive format. I am just glad that they reprinted those stories in collected series later.


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Tsagualsa wrote:
You'd be surprised at the figures in the book industry in general. People just don't buy printed books anymore, if you reach mid-4-digits in a week that can already get you on some bestseller lists, and if you manage to break 10.000 units sold in a week you're pretty much guaranteed to appear on one. The majority of large publisher books that could be classified as entertainment average total lifetime sales in the mid-thousands, if you're breaking 10k you're already uncommonly succesful. Compared to these numbers, even GW's 'Limited Editions' are huge.

Thanks for the info, interesting to know.

What a terrible, terrible year for Black Library. otoh I'm currently listening to Angron Red Angel, which is decent.

Voted for Outgunned. Warboss could be better as it is Orks and Mike Brooks but I have yet to get it.

Outgunned was fun, one of the few I did read.

 BrookM wrote:
Outgunned was fun, one of the few I did read.

There is also a short about the trial of its main character which is also a fun read, especially the ending.

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Outgunned was fun, one of the few I did read.

There is also a short about the trial of its main character which is also a fun read, especially the ending.

If it's an eshort, pass for me sadly, don't have a credit card and well, I like to read from a dead tree, not stare a screen even more. 😅

Vorbis conspiracy for me.

I love the crime stuff and having a lot of smaller stories around a greater event was really engaging and really fitted the crime theme.

Does it work if I skip one of the stories?

I'm about halfway through Godeater's Son and its been pretty interesting.

JWBS wrote:
Does it work if I skip one of the stories?

The vorbis conspiracy? Yeah, but almost all of the stories are characters from either novels or short stories so you definitely get more from it if you've read the rest. Which I recommend you do, the crime stuff is the best stuff BL do IMO.

Still working my way through Vorbis, two stories in so far, but I agree that some of the crime stories are some of the best stuff by BL in a long time now. Would love for another Zido novel, or more Baggit and Clodde.

 BrookM wrote:
Still working my way through Vorbis, two stories in so far, but I agree that some of the crime stories are some of the best stuff by BL in a long time now. Would love for another Zido novel, or more Baggit and Clodde.

This.
I like most BL. But I have really been enjoying the crime stuff.

 BrookM wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Outgunned was fun, one of the few I did read.

There is also a short about the trial of its main character which is also a fun read, especially the ending.

If it's an eshort, pass for me sadly, don't have a credit card and well, I like to read from a dead tree, not stare a screen even more. 😅

Eshort but maybe it will be gathered with other aeronautica shorts (there are at least 5-6 of them already) into some anthology?

 laam999 wrote:

JWBS wrote:
Does it work if I skip one of the stories?

The vorbis conspiracy? Yeah, but almost all of the stories are characters from either novels or short stories so you definitely get more from it if you've read the rest. Which I recommend you do, the crime stuff is the best stuff BL do IMO.

The Crime and Horror imprints are definitely the hidden gems of the BL offerings.

Tsagualsa wrote:

Just to list some circumstancial evidence for TEatD not being limited to two books:

- They never outright say it is two books -. they use expressions like 'more than one volume' or 'several books'. They also quite deliberately avoid natural expressions like ''the first half'' and the like, instead again opting for 'the first volume' and such.
- The release schedule is aligned so that they can release Vol. 1 at the black library celebration, have it end with 'To be continued in Vol. 2' instead of 'To be concluded in Vol. 2', thus generating more buzz for the 'secret' 3rd Volume, then present Vol. 3 at Warhammer Fest 2023, for a christmas release, coincidentially at around the time when wholesaler preorders and amazon listings would need to happen

Lol, called it, apparently that specific discrepancy in the text pops up between the hardback and the E-book of TEatD part one:

At the end of the eBook it says:

"TO BE CONTINUED IN THE END AND THE DEATH: VOLUME II"

However the hardback version apparently says the book will CONCLUDE with book 2. Not CONTINUE. I don't own the hardback so it would be good to get this confirmed by somebody who does.

Obviously an eBook can be edited much later in the publishing process than a hardback can. It wouldn't surprise me if this all but confirms we will be getting a three-book finale. I think they originally planned for two, and then changed the plan and it became three.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/11ckqba/spoiler_the_end_and_the_death_minor_but/

So i guess the 'secret' 3rd volume will be a reality.

I’m starting to be quite glad I missed this one tbh, to save me the stress of trying to get a copy potentially twice more.

 ImAGeek wrote:
I’m starting to be quite glad I missed this one tbh, to save me the stress of trying to get a copy potentially twice more.

The people that bought their collector's editions from scalpers can now rage around like rumplestilzkin because they can prepare to doing it again for the ultra-collectors trilogy box in faux-leather case and gold lettering that is inevitably coming.

I'm not sure why people rage at scalpers. Gw created the problem and the consumers create the demand. Scalpers are just a middle man adjusting the product's sale price to the consumers' demand relative to the artificial scarcity GW created.

Consumers want something limited and special just for themselves but don't want to pay for that specialness.

It's all very naive.

 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
I'm not sure why people rage at scalpers. Gw created the problem and the consumers create the demand. Scalpers are just a middle man adjusting the product's sale price to the consumers' demand relative to the artificial scarcity GW created.

The amount of a signed limited book they release is not some small number in the first place. 1500+ books is already a fairly decent amount for something like this and its not as if they could reasonably make thousands upon thousands of them.

 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
I'm not sure why people rage at scalpers. Gw created the problem and the consumers create the demand. Scalpers are just a middle man adjusting the product's sale price to the consumers' demand relative to the artificial scarcity GW created.

Consumers want something limited and special just for themselves but don't want to pay for that specialness.

It's all very naive.

Scalpers aren't a middleman - a middleman in regular retail are things like shops who buy in stock and distributor firms who buy stock from manufacturers and distribute it to stores to sell to customers.

Scalpers intercept the regular retail chain of trade and increased scarcity of a product in order to inflate its value way beyond market normal. That's why during the pandemic governments were seriously looking at ways to make it illegal because scalpers were buying up large stocks of things and then commanding a premium because the whole retail chain was broken. Graphics cards, cleaning products, toilet roll etc....


Scalpers are also not raising prices to what the market will take but raising them to the extremes.

Furthermore all their profits and income are purely leached out of the retail chain - they aren't helping stores/distributor/shipping/manufacturer firms to produce more and serve the customer and profit; they are purely leaching money from that.

Scalpers intercept the regular retail chain of trade and increased scarcity of a product in order to inflate its value way beyond market normal. That's why during the pandemic governments were seriously looking at ways to make it illegal because scalpers were buying up large stocks of things and then commanding a premium because the whole retail chain was broken. Graphics cards, cleaning products, toilet roll etc....

Scalpers are also not raising prices to what the market will take but raising them to the extremes.

You're confusing things here. They are exploiting scarce goods and extreme demand to deliver great profit to themselves. The government stepped in during covid when this was over necessities. No one cares that people do this with luxury goods be cause no one needs a limited edition fiction novel or graphics cards like they do food and medical supplies. Comparing those two pools of goods is specious.

Furthermore all their profits and income are purely leached out of the retail chain - they aren't helping stores/distributor/shipping/manufacturer firms to produce more and serve the customer and profit; they are purely leaching money from that.

All of which is irrelevant because customers were served, the people who bought the goods to be resold. Why does someone deserve these books just because they want them on their shelf? What's even more laughable is that the people who desire them do so because of their limited nature and scarcity--they want the value of that, but then they're incensed that someone else also saw that value and got to it first and then attributed a dollar value to their limited nature. Lastly, and this is complete conjecture on my part, but do you think that were those people with sand in their knickers over not being able to easily complete their collection to sell the rest of their collections to someone else, that they would sell them for what they paid for? Of course not, they'd also sell them for an inflated price, thereby demonstrating the inate hypocrisy of all of this.

Really? Defending scalpers now? This is hilarious.

Scalpers can go burn, IMO.

What are we defending next? Chop Shops?

Jokes on you, I have the capacity to be annoyed at GW, people who buy from scalpers AND scalpers themselves.