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Here's hoping the bikes make them T6!

Regarding the Terminators, 4++, Deep Strike and +1W sound right. Though the normal Custodes can all takes Storm Shields for 3++ so they'll probably end up being more durable overall still (jumping from 3W to 4W isn't huge cause 2 damage weapons still need 2 shots to kill both).

The really durable Custodes (the Hetaeron, 3W vs. 2W for Guards, Hetaeron, and the Jetbikes in the Inferno rules (so maybe as far as 5W in 8th), plus the shield and the ability to take powerfists, paragon blades, or guardian spears with it instead of just the sword) are unlikely to make an appearance in the 40k book, if only because they don't have distinct models and GW's been pushing the different unit = unique model approach lately.

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So I just looked at the army photo BoLS has up and there's a squad of four Custodians in normal (=non-Terminator) armour with different-coloured spears, a half-skirt arrangement, and one of the new axes, so I may have spoken too soon about it being unlikely that the Hetaeron could make an appearance.

Audustum wrote:
Here's hoping the bikes make them T6!

Regarding the Terminators, 4++, Deep Strike and +1W sound right. Though the normal Custodes can all takes Storm Shields for 3++ so they'll probably end up being more durable overall still (jumping from 3W to 4W isn't huge cause 2 damage weapons still need 2 shots to kill both).

Oh they nerfed the shield in 40k? In 30k those shields aren't stormshields but prasedium shields which are sort of like storm shields on steroid. Well depends a bit on on who fields on it. On basic guys somewhat worse than stormshield in shooting but becomes nasty in cc but for 4++ guys it becomes VERY nasty piece of shield.

tneva82 wrote:

Audustum wrote:
Here's hoping the bikes make them T6!

Regarding the Terminators, 4++, Deep Strike and +1W sound right. Though the normal Custodes can all takes Storm Shields for 3++ so they'll probably end up being more durable overall still (jumping from 3W to 4W isn't huge cause 2 damage weapons still need 2 shots to kill both).

Oh they nerfed the shield in 40k? In 30k those shields aren't stormshields but prasedium shields which are sort of like storm shields on steroid. Well depends a bit on on who fields on it. On basic guys somewhat worse than stormshield in shooting but becomes nasty in cc but for 4++ guys it becomes VERY nasty piece of shield.

For the record (and to dispel any impressions that may have been created by the hyperbole posted above) a praesidium shield in 30k gives a reroll of 1s on Invulnerable saves and a -1 to-hit penalty for incoming melee attacks. On a model with a 4++ the storm shield is better against ranged attacks and the praesidium shield is better against melee attacks, on a model with a 5++ the praesidium shield is straight-up worse (though less worse in melee).

It's only when the Tribune comes in with a 3++ that the praesidium shield becomes a "storm shield on steroids".

(That said if you're fighting someone in melee without access to good-AP weapons the praesidium shield actually helps, whereas a storm shield does squat, so in that sense it is better.)

Hyperbole? Reroll failed invulnerable saves and -1 to hit in CC. Even on basic guy with 5++ that's only slightly worse than stormshield while getting -1 to hit(which means being hit on 5+ against all but top HQ level guys...) is more than worth it.

It's not reroll 1's. Quoting rule: A prasidium shield allows the bearer to reroll failed invulnerable saves...

On 5++ it's 55% chance(vs stormshield's 66%). On 4++ it's 75%...Better than stormshield. Plus then the -1 to hit which is HUGE buf for h2h.

Okay so yeah against shooting it's not as good as storm shield but seeing the effect it has in close combat it's more than worth it. I don't see why anybody could seriously claim custodian shield is worse than storm shield...And if it was it would be major fail by rule writer as custodian is SUPPOSED to be armed better than marines(hell custodians were designed so they can make mincemeat of marines when need be). It's not even broken so where's the problem? It's good shield. Better than stormshield but fluffwise that just makes sense. No reason storm shield should be uber best shield. And would be sad if 8th ed nerfed the custodian shield to standard storm shield.

And tribute is 4++ for his iron halo btw. Plus eternal warrior.

You both forget pieces of info before you start getting this out of context. This is ONLY applicable to the Shield Captain HQ choice for 30k custodes. Whether or not it will make it to 40k remains to be see.

You need to give him a Paragon Spear, Praesidium Shield, and Cyber Familiar and in an army of a minimum of 2,000pts to give him the TRIBUNE upgrade.

This allows him to:

1. Have 6 S6 attacks (Digital Lasers give +1A and the Paragon Spear is a S6 AP2 weapon.)

2. Rerollable 3++ invulnerable save (Cyber Familiars give +1 to all invulnerable saves and he has an Iron Halo as standard. Also, Cyber Familiars allow you to reroll Any characteristic other than Leadership tests.)

3. Have a - 1 to be hit in melee and have Eternal Warrior to avoid instant death (Praesidium Shields make any attack against him have a - 1 modifier, and and the TRIBUNE upgrade allows him to have Eternal Warrior rule.)

The benefit? He's probably the most broken HQ choice in 30k that will eat 90% of stuff thrown at him and if you give him melta bombs make NOTHING safe from him.
The downside? Even though he's cheap to at 270pts for all that, you need a minimum of a 2,000pts army to give him the TRIBUNE upgrade, and he's a very juicy target for mass instant death weapon spam.

 Dr. Mills wrote:
You both forget pieces of info before you start getting this out of context. This is ONLY applicable to the Shield Captain HQ choice for 30k custodes. Whether or not it will make it to 40k remains to be see.

You need to give him a Paragon Spear, Praesidium Shield, and Cyber Familiar and in an army of a minimum of 2,000pts to give him the TRIBUNE upgrade.

This allows him to:

1. Have 6 S6 attacks (Digital Lasers give +1A and the Paragon Spear is a S6 AP2 weapon.)

2. Rerollable 3++ invulnerable save (Cyber Familiars give +1 to all invulnerable saves and he has an Iron Halo as standard. Also, Cyber Familiars allow you to reroll Any characteristic other than Leadership tests.)

3. Have a - 1 to be hit in melee and have Eternal Warrior to avoid instant death (Praesidium Shields make any attack against him have a - 1 modifier, and and the TRIBUNE upgrade allows him to have Eternal Warrior rule.)

The benefit? He's probably the most broken HQ choice in 30k that will eat 90% of stuff thrown at him and if you give him melta bombs make NOTHING safe from him.
The downside? Even though he's cheap to at 270pts for all that, you need a minimum of a 2,000pts army to give him the TRIBUNE upgrade, and he's a very juicy target for mass instant death weapon spam.

Ah forgot the cyber familiar. Still even without that rerollable 4++ is still better than storm shield even without considering -1 to hit.

Mine is with fist though for some S10 goodyness. Yeah strikes last but with 2+/rerollable 4++ and T5 he's tough enough I rather have tank threatening attacks and as a model stands out better. Might make spear version later.

Still 3++/4++. Either way it's superior storm shield in almost all the cases and in the one case it's not(basic custodian vs shooting) it's still good enough trade off I would take it over storm shield anyway.