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 LunarSol wrote:
They're just likely at a limit of how much of their game they can manage and a SKU count that is too cumbersome for most stores to carry. They've honestly probably even got too many starters for most stores.

SKU bloat is on them and always has been. They could drop a large chunk of blisters by simply doing repacks and duplicate arms.

It will be interesting to see how exactly they do this. We already saw a bit of this in JSA, where several models fell to the wayside in favor of new models, but still had an obvious new counterpoint. I suspect we'll see something similar here (in the wake of StarCo, I'd not be shocked to lose Corregidor, for example) but how much gets invalidated is kind of up in the air.

However it's done, I guarantee you it will be hamfisted and certain individuals will defend it to their dying breath.

Also, Corregidor is wildly different to StarCo. StarCo has a chunk of CJC stuff but there's a ton that's not present there.

Also, lol @ how hard they're having to try to spin this on the FB page:

We didn't killed the sectorial, just stopped the production of their miniatures range in order to let space to new sectorials to enter the catalogue.

So what happens when you go back to the FRRM?

They are old models that do not fit the current Infinity high standards, the army list is not invalidated and will remain ITS standard, the new tweaks is to make the current list more flexible and competitive.

Not sure about the question of the new chasseur?

So FRRM will continue to be supported in the 'rules' then?

Are will they be Caskuda'd out of existence soon?

For now apparently they'll still be in the game rules-wise.
I'm hoping they don't get caskuda'd, but it's not impossible.
At least they finally updated the Loup Garous flash grenade to stun ones in the Army builder ...

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
They are old models that do not fit the current Infinity high standards, the army list is not invalidated and will remain ITS standard, the new tweaks is to make the current list more flexible and competitive.

The "new tweaks" are just slapping paint over rust.

Not sure about the question of the new chasseur?

"We're retiring the entire model line indefinitely, but here's a new shiny thing!"

Not sure how you are unable to figure out the issue there.


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 Mysterio wrote:
So FRRM will continue to be supported in the 'rules' then?

Are will they be Caskuda'd out of existence soon?

For now, they're being supported with what is basically the bare minimum list they had before. They just added a few mixed links in and called it a day.

 Mysterio wrote:
So FRRM will continue to be supported in the 'rules' then?

Are will they be Caskuda'd out of existence soon?

No, but rework is not near and selling so old models is disingenuous, it also trims down the SKU catalogue of old models.

Rework will be in the future, but models are made after the rules/ stats are solidified, as are for example the Shasvastii now, rules/ stats are done and wait the artwork window.


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 Kanluwen wrote:

"We're retiring the entire model line indefinitely, but here's a new shiny thing!"

Not sure how you are unable to figure out the issue there.

I see, Chasseurs are a really important model for the main Ariadna army lists and retiring the moidels line creates a void that needs to be addressed.

 PsychoticStorm wrote:

 Mysterio wrote:
So FRRM will continue to be supported in the 'rules' then?

Are will they be Caskuda'd out of existence soon?

No, but rework is not near and selling so old models is disingenuous, it also trims down the SKU catalogue of old models.

This is nonsense and you know it. There's a ton of "so old models"(remember that outside of the Chasseur in the starter set, the vast majority of the FRRM stuff comes from Human Sphere and later) across multiple ranges that are still being sold.

So why aren't they putting all of that stuff on "indefinite hold" too?

Rework will be in the future, but models are made after the rules/ stats are solidified, as are for example the Shasvastii now, rules/ stats are done and wait the artwork window.

Do you know what "indefinite" means?

I am sorry I do not understand what you are saying.

Calling it now "corri" will be next to go on indefinite leave as a sectorial. It will make the comical Ali claim that "there is no scale creep in our game" much easier to use once the child soldiers of the nomads have vanished.

Yes I know they could actually just update the range but that would require some effort and admitting the problems with part of the range. 2 things CB have historically had issues with.

However it's done, I guarantee you it will be hamfisted and certain individuals will defend it to their dying breath.

Shasvastii are done as far as rules go and the models design will start at the end of the year after the convention season, so they should appear back soon.

Yeah Shasvastii has been mentioned recently as starting the model design by the end of the year. FRRM has been said it’s a long way off for a while now.

Taking the minis out of production but leaving the profiles and sectorial seems reasonable enough. Nobody loses on the ability to play their minis as they are. ( unlike say... well, already mentioned) Maybe move the FRRM to the NAA faction at some point.

I note that the Chasseur is not listed in that article ( the ADHL Chasseur, not the forthcoming one.) Will Chasseurs continue in Vanilla, or even as Mercs? I can see that.

IF CB is discontinuing things, maybe *discontinue* half of the 37 hacking programs and upgrades and half of the 7 hacking devices. Sheesh.

 jake wrote:
Do Nomads need another support pack? I know the Clockmaker sculpt is old, but it seems like if they wanted to replace it they would have done it when they released the current box with the resculpted Daktari.

Probably not, but CB does inscrutable things. The Nomads are the *pet* faction too. I can see them updating the clockmaker and Daktari to better fit the current nomad look.

Well, glad to see the whole "Merovingians wont be in HSN3 because we're reworking them!" was the same sort of lie as the "oh we're not re-printing Human Sphere or Campaign: Paradiso for N3, so please buy the old stock!"

It is kind of hard to trust CB with anything they say when they appear liable to spin on a dime and change their tune to suit their purposes without any warning.

My heart goes out to the Merovingian players and I'm sure this is just the first step before they drop the other shoe in a year or two and remove the lists from circulation, citing lack of interest or something (probably with graphs citing lack of use in ITS according to Infinity Army stats or something).

That said, given the vehement defense of removing JSA from Yu Jing based on background by some folks, it is hilarious that CB turned around and have taken the complete opposite approach with Merovingia. They get wiped out, but their list remains!

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
Isn't this really a cowards stance? "Oh yes, we totally changed the fluff and took bold decisions to involve the players and we put out a really popular option at stake" but not really it does not matter because nothing really changed.

So I guess that means keeping the Merovingian list around after the faction gets wiped out is a coward's stance, eh?

*ahem*

Either way, if CB are doing this because of SKU or profile bloat, then it would be in their best interest to tell their fans sooner, rather than later. Doing it out of the blue and writing some fluff to justify it certainly not going to engender more good will.

When was the faction wiped out?

 Ronin_eX wrote:


It is kind of hard to trust CB with anything they say when they appear liable to spin on a dime and change their tune to suit their purposes without any warning.

Agreed.

CB is making it easy for me to buy a lot less from them lately.

I'll probably be selling off most of my Infinity stuff later this year, keeping only a few favorites (which hopefully won't get wiped out in heroic last stands).

 Ronin_eX wrote:

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
Isn't this really a cowards stance? "Oh yes, we totally changed the fluff and took bold decisions to involve the players and we put out a really popular option at stake" but not really it does not matter because nothing really changed.

So I guess that means keeping the Merovingian list around after the faction gets wiped out is a coward's stance, eh?

*ahem*

Either way, if CB are doing this because of SKU or profile bloat, then it would be in their best interest to tell their fans sooner, rather than later. Doing it out of the blue and writing some fluff to justify it certainly not going to engender more good will.

Whoops!
That pesky Internet - nothing ever goes away!

Looking at that release list and given that CB releases (normally) 5 new and 2 repacks, maybe it is better presented as:
-Nomads: Heckler with Combi Rifle
-Haqqislam Support Pack
-PanOceania: Magister Knights box
-Mercenaries: Corporate Security Unit with Boarding Shotgun(blister)
Combined Army- Morat Raicho armored brigade
and...

repacks:
-Ariadna: Chasseur(Rifle+Light Flamethrower)-- from the now discontinued Ariadna starter
-Ariadna: Tankhunters(AP HMG+Portable -Autocannon)

Just a supposition, but until we see a new chasseur...

 Kalamadea wrote:

However it's done, I guarantee you it will be hamfisted and certain individuals will defend it to their dying breath.

Just as some individuals will complain no matter what

 Kalamadea wrote:

However it's done, I guarantee you it will be hamfisted and certain individuals will defend it to their dying breath.

Just as some individuals will complain no matter what

It's not great, but also not the end of the world. Would be better if they went to some kind of direct order or only status, but at least we have some time to purchase the existing models before they go OOP and they're not being Exrah'd, I think they learned from that backlash that they'd better keep the profiles playable for people that have it. It's unfortunate, but not gamebreaking. Doesn't bode well for Shasvasti, though

Guess I'd better order that Mirage 5 team while I still can

This. Also, I'm glad I decided to get my own M5 team last month.


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 Kanluwen wrote:

Want endless positivity? Go to the official forums. Here we can actually have discussion that won't get censored or shouted down by WarCors.

Thing is mate it sounds like you're less interested in discussion than insulting the company for a business decision you don't like.

Can see the logic behind retiring the models. Most of them are quite old - i think the newest sculpt is Bruant who came out with Campaign Paradiso, and then many of the others were HSN2 hand sculpts - so thats going on 12 years now.

The list update is super minor, but its pretty significant for anyone who actually plays FRRM - those are some juicy, juicy options that line up pretty well with the models we have.

I mean... we've been through this before. And this is an improvement over previous times they made changes to the range.

 Ronin_eX wrote:


My heart goes out to the Merovingian players

One guy in our gaming group plays Merovingia and vanilla YJ so has felt particularly put upon the last few months.

Mirage-5 team is not listed in the models to be discontinued.

Also, this.

When we cease the production of a particular line (such as the sectorial of Merovingia), it will no longer completely disappear from the game.

Should henceforth be known as the Exrah/JSA rule. Because god damn they had to learn something from those trainwrecks.

Well, they said "the entire line" in the article but then only listed like 5 troop types at the end, so just to be safe I now have a team ordered. Worst case scenario, I have another scifi werewolf I'd been planning to buy anyways for the last 10 years. Looks like there's a fair bit of the FRRM stuff sold out already

 Micky wrote:
Can see the logic behind retiring the models. Most of them are quite old - i think the newest sculpt is Bruant who came out with Campaign Paradiso, and then many of the others were HSN2 hand sculpts - so thats going on 12 years now.

Bruant and Briscards were both with Paradiso--although Bruant was the last of the batch. Could also technically qualify Knauf and the Anaconda, as both were only in FRRM for awhile.

It's a bit silly to think that this is logical though. They're still hawking the shoddy Swiss Guard and ORC models solo, same with the Hexas. None of those got redesigns despite being from the same era as the majority of the FRRM stuff.


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 Riquende wrote:

 Ronin_eX wrote:


My heart goes out to the Merovingian players

One guy in our gaming group plays Merovingia and vanilla YJ so has felt particularly put upon the last few months.

I feel bad for that guy. It's no fun to get that feeling of being singled out, intentional or not.

My biggest issue isn't that they're being discontinued. It's that they're being discontinued NOW, and they MIGHT get a replacement LATER.

I feel like I'm being lied to.

Really hate that they are now going to sell a bunch of FRRM minis, encouraging them to do this in the future.

 Ronin_eX wrote:


Well, glad to see the whole "Merovingians wont be in HSN3 because we're reworking them!" was the same sort of lie as the "oh we're not re-printing Human Sphere or Campaign: Paradiso for N3, so please buy the old stock!"

Why assume it was a lie? It almost certainly wasn't. It's way, way more likely that they had and still have plans for the army, but don't currently have time to develop them. Also, N3 Human Sphere and Paradiso also almost certainly wasn't a lie. They were super clear about what happened. They had intended for HS and Paradiso tostay unchanged, but after awhile it became apparent that wouldn't be possible. So they changed their minds. Plans change, No one lied to you.

 Ronin_eX wrote:


It is kind of hard to trust CB with anything they say when they appear liable to spin on a dime and change their tune to suit their purposes without any warning.

Not really. This MRRF change isn't anything like that. Years ago they said that MRRF would be getting revised at somepoint in the future, and wouldn't be getting any more support until then. Now they're also saying that maybe this revision won't happen any time soon. Thats YEARS of warning. And yes, possibly we'll never see more MRRF, but the army and models are still fully legal. Again, CB isn't spinning anything. You're attributing maliciousness to them that I think was pretty obviously not intended.

 Ronin_eX wrote:


My heart goes out to the Merovingian players and I'm sure this is just the first step before they drop the other shoe in a year or two and remove the lists from circulation, citing lack of interest or something (probably with graphs citing lack of use in ITS according to Infinity Army stats or something).

They literally said that the army and models would remain legal. Theres no reason to believe they won't.

 Ronin_eX wrote:
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Either way, if CB are doing this because of SKU or profile bloat, then it would be in their best interest to tell their fans sooner, rather than later. Doing it out of the blue and writing some fluff to justify it certainly not going to engender more good will.

This isn't :"out of the blue". MRRF has been on the shelf for years. And with this update literally nothing has changed. MRRF is in exactly the same place it was last week, and will remain there. No one has lost anything.




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 plastictrees wrote:
Really hate that they are now going to sell a bunch of FRRM minis, encouraging them to do this in the future.

Thats very likely not the case. Almost certainly they have been slowly selling off their remaining MRRF stock for awhile. This isn't a money grab, although I'm sure they are hoping that people will buy up whatever small amount of remaining stock the have before its gone. Terminating a line isn't a money making scheme. They invested a LOT of time, money and talent into developing MRRF over the years, and that didn't pan out. It was never a very popular army. They clearly had plans to revive the army (and probably still do), but as the article explained they don't have time to focus on it.

So no, this isn't "discontinue a line so we can liquidate stock and make off with all the money". That doesn't even make sense. This is a case of CB only having so much time, talent and money , and having to choose which products to focus on.


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 Red Harvest wrote:

 jake wrote:
Do Nomads need another support pack? I know the Clockmaker sculpt is old, but it seems like if they wanted to replace it they would have done it when they released the current box with the resculpted Daktari.

Probably not, but CB does inscrutable things. The Nomads are the *pet* faction too. I can see them updating the clockmaker and Daktari to better fit the current nomad look.

I guess you're right. And it was one of the oldest support boxes. I wonder if that means we'll see a new Aleph one whenever their new sectorial comes out.

CB has totally lost touch with reality.

Best intro ever!