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So I guess this means Heckler comes with a Fast Panda?

Really like it though. Jammer is a hell of an interesting piece of kit for the Nomads to get.

I really didn't feel like the game needed more Jammers. Especially on a camo unit.

I don't know what to think of the new Raicho. Its not bad looking, but its very strange and doesn't look like a Morat unit at all. If I had to guess I would have said it was a new Nomad thing, since it looks pretty similar to the Hollowmen and Kriza.

It also looks similar to the Avatar and the other EI related units.

It does. Which is... weird. I wonder if its a new EI produced unit that replaces the older model Raicho. It doesn't look like its Morat made at all. It also doesn't look manned (although its hard to tell of course.

I'm not excited about it being as big as the Avatar. I mean, that is cool, but the Raicho is already a giant easy target. It doesn't really need to be bigger.

The Raicho looks like they threw the new EI and Morat designs together but forgot what made each good and just gave up.

If it weren't for the pelt on its shoulder the Raicho would easily be my new Marut proxy. I absolutely love it! A lot of it has to do with it borrowing lots of its design aesthetics from Macross Mecha.

Bubbalicious wrote:
If it weren't for the pelt on its shoulder the Raicho would easily be my new Marut proxy. I absolutely love it! A lot of it has to do with it borrowing lots of its design aesthetics from Macross Mecha.

It is a neat design. I like it too. But I honestly thought it was a new Tunguska TAG.

Hecklers come in pairs, I will name mine Statler and Waldorf.

....OK.

Anyway, I'll have to see the Raicho 'in the metal' before making a final judgement, but after the disappointment of the first effort, well, this one doesn't appear to be all that much better.

Maybe.

Personally I quite like it, did not know what to expect and this has all the elements its description has which is good and looks brutish another plus, I am glad the pelt was moved to the shoulder though, really did not like it on top of the ammo.

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
Shasvastii are done as far as rules go and the models design will start at the end of the year after the convention season, so they should appear back soon.

Where are you getting that from?
I havent been keeping up
Did CB say so somewhere?

 Bladerunner2019 wrote:

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
Shasvastii are done as far as rules go and the models design will start at the end of the year after the convention season, so they should appear back soon.

Where are you getting that from?
I havent been keeping up
Did CB say so somewhere?

The Adepticon seminar had them talking about the rules finishing up the rules. Model design is slated to start in September/October, after GenCon.


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 jake wrote:

Bubbalicious wrote:
If it weren't for the pelt on its shoulder the Raicho would easily be my new Marut proxy. I absolutely love it! A lot of it has to do with it borrowing lots of its design aesthetics from Macross Mecha.

It is a neat design. I like it too. But I honestly thought it was a new Tunguska TAG.

Funny, because they look nothing alike...the original Raicho though looked too human in its design.

That Raicho just got me to take my Onyx morats and just do morats. Definitely will be buying one.

Jammer for Tunguska, yay. Heckler has solid profiles.

I like the new Raicho, not what I expected but I like it. It feels "heavy" and brutish. But I hate the skull and the felt, it reminds me of space wolves and
that's really a bad thing. Don't want any GW gak in Infinity.

But I must say Szalamandra still reigns supreme.

 Kanluwen wrote:


It is a neat design. I like it too. But I honestly thought it was a new Tunguska TAG.

Funny, because they look nothing alike...the original Raicho though looked too human in its design.

 jake wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Funny, because they look nothing alike...the original Raicho though looked too human in its design.

This and the recent Tunguska stuff? They have several similarities. This new Raicho has way more in common with the Salamadra, Hollowmen and Kriza than any Morat model.

But that's the problem with the Morat range in places. It has no similarities to the Combined Army that they're a part of.

Also, the only things they have "in common" are that they're angular.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 jake wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Funny, because they look nothing alike...the original Raicho though looked too human in its design.

This and the recent Tunguska stuff? They have several similarities. This new Raicho has way more in common with the Salamadra, Hollowmen and Kriza than any Morat model.

But that's the problem with the Morat range in places. It has no similarities to the Combined Army that they're a part of.

Also, the only things they have "in common" are that they're angular.

I wouldn't say thats a problem. Morats have always had a distinct identity. Which makes sense. They're a military society thats larger than anything in the Human Sphere, all by themselves. They were already a multi-system conquering society when the EI found them. So it makes sens that they would have their own distinct look and technology. Same with Shavastii (less successfully done, I think), Exrah, EI constructs and Sygmaa.

Anyway, I think it only become a problem when you end up with something taht weirdly doesn't look like Morat tech. Like this version of the Raicho (or the last one, now that I think about it).

 jake wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 jake wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Funny, because they look nothing alike...the original Raicho though looked too human in its design.

This and the recent Tunguska stuff? They have several similarities. This new Raicho has way more in common with the Salamadra, Hollowmen and Kriza than any Morat model.

But that's the problem with the Morat range in places. It has no similarities to the Combined Army that they're a part of.

Also, the only things they have "in common" are that they're angular.

I wouldn't say thats a problem. Morats have always had a distinct identity. Which makes sense. They're a military society thats larger than anything in the Human Sphere, all by themselves. They were already a multi-system conquering society when the EI found them. So it makes sens that they would have their own distinct look and technology. Same with Shavastii (less successfully done, I think), Exrah, EI constructs and Sygmaa.

Anyway, I think it only become a problem when you end up with something taht weirdly doesn't look like Morat tech. Like this version of the Raicho (or the last one, now that I think about it).

But therein lies the rub. The Morat models themselves have their own distinct identity and style--but we don't have any evidence pointing towards the Raicho being a strictly Morat designed piece. We had the mention of the massive ammo reserves because Morat are totally not Orks and lovin' the DakkaDakkaDakkaDakka! and the pelts they'd stick on their 'mounts'.

At the very least, can we agree that it's nice the Morat aren't being Merovingia'd?

The Raicho isn’t what I expected but I like it a lot.

 ImAGeek wrote:
The Raicho isn’t what I expected but I like it a lot.

Likewise. I really like this concept. Was expecting them to leave some parts with segmented armour in them, like the old model has on his shoulder guard or on top of the feet.

I think the issue with the Raicho is that it looks lower tech than the previous model or, really, any of the other TAG class units the EI is currently sporting. Having exposed mechanical joints feels very at odds with Combined Army designs. Plus, its ammo belt is too short. There's no way it could aim the gun with how short that is.

Screengrabs from the video

The Raicho looks like a walking tank. It fits the form of how I would see morats approaching the construction of a TAG. The only thing I'd want them to do is have an alternate shoulder without the pelt on it.

I can't quite put my finger on it but the CSU's pistol doesn't seem to have translated well from the concept art. Otherwise I like rather like the model.

CSU is OK, but that pistol looks overly complicated just for the sake of being complicated (do we really need a bull-pup pistol? I don't think so). Model itself is fine, but not good enough compared to the Securuate. I still plan for them to double as my CSU in Starco

Raicho is cool. I'm hoping that the chest looks less like a speedboat on the physical model, but I dig the Armored Core look it has going. Actually, heck, I think I may even HAVE some Armored Core model torsos that may be close in size if it still looks like a boat

 BrotherGecko wrote:
The Raicho looks like a walking tank. It fits the form of how I would see morats approaching the construction of a TAG. The only thing I'd want them to do is have an alternate shoulder without the pelt on it.

Yeah, that pelt is such a miss shot.

It's like making a great piece of art and then put a smelly dump on it.

I think a more bestial looking Raicho would fit the Morat mentality better. This is very nice looking as a mini, but it is a bit too sleek for a Morat piece.

It is a new Chasseur. Nice.

The Haqq support pack looks decent enough, but these orange renders... who really knows how the minis may paint up. The doctor almost has a Govad short coat. A Govad doctor. That would make a nice profile.

Finally, Heckle and Jeckle for the Hecklers.

Do we know what cybermines do yet?
I assume its some sort of nasty anti-hacker toy

To me the CSU pistol should sit closer to her hand, she doesn’t have a high enough grip on the pistol.

 Mysterio wrote:
....OK.

Anyway, I'll have to see the Raicho 'in the metal' .

it’s already metal *throws the horns*

I really like it, and I REALLY like the chassuer. Still a bit peeved the solider mounts are missing from the magisters, but I’ll get over it.