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2018/07/01 08:02:27
Subject: Re:The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
Yeah, I also think Tunguska is quite a glass cannon sectorial. IMO it's gonna be great starting first turn with all the fast units and forward deployment, but not so
great going second
Securitate are pretty cheap. Just 13 points. Thats more than a Fusilier or Aguicile, but they're also in an army with a lot of affordable options. Only 7 units in the army break 30 points, and most of those are 31-36, and very solid for their cost. So no, everything is not expensive. Its not cheap, but its very affordable, and you are gettng a LOT for what you are paying, especially compared to many actual expensive armies. Theres a huge amount of efficiency and versatility in these units without sacrificing power or specialization.
And yes, theres no MSV2. That may be the army's only really weakness. Between Hecklers and Spektrs theres some very good camo options though. I'm struggling to see what this army doesn't do well.
It may just be that this (along with the NA2 armies) is the beginning of a new power curve, and that in a year or two this won't seem so obviously powerful at all. But right now it looks alarmingly good (although I imagine it will have a learning curve).
Heckler has limited camo so one use only. Spektr is great but expensive. No cheap WB like other faction or sectorial have. A bit early to say but it's not an OP army.
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2018/07/01 12:08:06
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
Modock wrote: Yeah, I also think Tunguska is quite a glass cannon sectorial. IMO it's gonna be great starting first turn with all the fast units and forward deployment, but not so
great going second
Securitate are pretty cheap. Just 13 points. Thats more than a Fusilier or Aguicile, but they're also in an army with a lot of affordable options. Only 7 units in the army break 30 points, and most of those are 31-36, and very solid for their cost. So no, everything is not expensive. Its not cheap, but its very affordable, and you are gettng a LOT for what you are paying, especially compared to many actual expensive armies. Theres a huge amount of efficiency and versatility in these units without sacrificing power or specialization.
And yes, theres no MSV2. That may be the army's only really weakness. Between Hecklers and Spektrs theres some very good camo options though. I'm struggling to see what this army doesn't do well.
It may just be that this (along with the NA2 armies) is the beginning of a new power curve, and that in a year or two this won't seem so obviously powerful at all. But right now it looks alarmingly good (although I imagine it will have a learning curve).
Heckler has limited camo so one use only. Sprektr is great but expensive. No cheap WB like other faction or sectorial have. A bit early to say but it's not an OP army.
Bakunin & Corregidor have some Swiss Army knife units with doctor or engineer in their kit.
No doctor or engineer choice beyond the basic support choices for Tunguska.
This list has lots of irritating & powerful units, but doesn’t look OP to me. They’re just applied in novel combinations.
Definitely a list full of glass cannons.
I’m bummed out that the best profiles have no minis, and many will be boxed sets.
I would reserve judgement on complaining about power creep/curve until all the new sectorials for 2018 are out.
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Is that a natural 21?
Nomads & Yu Jing
2018/07/01 19:41:47
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
I dont see the sectorial as OP. Looking at the units and cost, Tunguska looks to be an average sectional power wise. Both pros and cons but nothing OP when using them as a sectorial.
The real winners here is Vanilla Nomads that gained a lot and powerful stuff and things they were missing in their lineup like Securitate LT, Mary problems, Heckler jammer. One of the best things they got is the 12p puppet master. If your going to run a two combat group Nomad force it is an auto include just as the symbio mates are for Tohaa. You dont even have to take any Puppetbots even tho they are good speed bump unit.
I can see a lot of list starting with 2 Securitate and one Puppetmaster in Nomads future.
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2018/07/01 23:31:24
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
Tunguska is strong on hacking the way the other two ships are strong on engineering and doctoring.
I think they got the balance really good here - theres a lot of stuff you want to take, but its all so expensive on either points or SWC that you're gonna be pretty limited.
Theres no cheap irregulars or warbands you can use to fill out a second combat group, there's limited skirmishers and very little infiltration.
There's a lot of very strong choices but no obvious one-size-fits-all lists present themselves.
So many games, so little time.
So many models, even less time.
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2018/07/02 12:29:46
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
Gotta say, the Securitate look to break the points formula. They either get Vet 1 for free or don't pay as much for WIP 14 as (for example) Haqq does.
Zondnautica is everything I want from infinity, love it.
Puppetmasters/bots look nice, makes either AD or spec fire capable troops mandatory as the S1 bots are going to be so easy to position for maximum advantage.
Now, can we get a Bolt update with an Auxbot packing a Jammer? I'll even pay the CR+LSG tax. Honestly I'm struggling to see why you'd not take 3 Hecklers with Jammers as your first picks with Tunguska; create a combination of Jammer and hacking network in one coordinated order, ruining the day of any non-Morat opponent on your first activation.
Love the Hollow Men too, their fluff is just as creepy as I'd expect and they're making full use of the PHY 10 to maximise their points efficiency.
2018/07/02 14:29:12
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
In terms of cheap orders, Transductor and Salyut Zonds are an option particularly with both being AVA 2, but its no where near as exciting as something like Jaguars.
2018/07/04 15:38:46
Subject: Re:The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
Makes me wonder if the next sectorial coming out Octoberish will be a 300p box or if this is just a new box for an already existing army in adition to a new sectorial.
If its the new sectorial im going to go with Varuna and then IA Q1/Q2 next year
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2018/07/04 18:18:48
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
Bubbalicious wrote: Makes me wonder if the next sectorial coming out Octoberish will be a 300p box or if this is just a new box for an already existing army in adition to a new sectorial.
If its the new sectorial im going to go with Varuna and then IA Q1/Q2 next year
They've moved away from 300pt packs containing an actual starter set. Supposedly they saw a huge dip in sales with Tohaa and Onyx when they had 300pt boxes out vs the standard starter set(which, why wouldn't you expect that? There was no reason to buy the basic starter when you could get the 300pt!) and it's made them not want to do that since. It's why the CJC starter was so bad.
The reason I called out Invincible Army is that they kept hinting/outright saying that they wanted Invincible Army to come out with Varuna. Varuna can get an Army Pack like JSA while IA gets a 300pt and call it a day for the last "N".
2018/07/06 00:39:59
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
What would a new MO starter include, I wonder? 3 Order Sergeants probably. A Black Friar? Another Father Knight or Montessa? Probably not Teutons, since we just saw a double blister for them. Are there missing Hospitaller or Santiago profiles?
2018/07/06 05:15:52
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
.Mikes. wrote: I'm seeing talk that one side of the next two player box could be MO. Can anyone point to where these rumours are coming from?
First I’ve heard of it. I doubt Pan O will be in another 2 player box while they’re in Icestorm, and I doubt they’ll discontinue Icestorm when Beyond Icestorm only came out last year.
2018/07/06 06:13:07
Subject: Re:The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
jake wrote: What would a new MO starter include, I wonder?
6 TOFOs.
Actually the regular OS do need an update, there's no Black Friar sniper yet (don't think too many people are bothered though). Holy Sepulchre is awaiting a new model (and never got the combi, though again I doubt many people care). Santiago knights aren't CAD so would be fair game, Montesa combi+LGL/LRL would be useful and Teutons are all older sculpts now (but does anyone use them any more?)
MO is in a really good place modelwise. Short of the TOFO I think all the sectorial-specific models with the most common weapon options are available and newish.
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2018/07/06 10:42:32
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
No specific Knights so that you're not cutting down on the repeatability of the box, adding in two FK profiles bulks the box out and adds in a profile you can't get anywhere else(BSG--also used for Duos) while not rendering the proxy model from Icestorm useless.
2018/07/06 18:59:05
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
.Mikes. wrote: Turns out it was a CB photo ofMO models that could just happen to make 300 points.
Oh yeah, that would explain the Steel Phalanx 300pt box going away soonish, if they release the MO one they showed (they didn’t mention that’s what it was but it easily could be).
2018/07/08 21:47:59
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
Yeah, speculation that the 300pt SP box that is now out of production is being replaced by the 300pts of MO that we saw about 3 months back. Joan + Hospitalers + Order Sergeants + Blackfriar, I think it was.
So many games, so little time.
So many models, even less time.
Screw it, Netflix and chill.
2018/07/08 23:01:01
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
That is a very odd choice for a 300 point box, especially given that promoting one of the new sectorials with a box makes more sense, marketing-wise. To me anyway. But I'm no marketing guy.
I reckon we will see some sort of teaser for the GenCon deal tomorrow. Probably a silhouette of Kazaks and some "patriotic" quote -- or matriotic, given that the would use the term motherland.
2018/07/08 23:24:48
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
Micky wrote: Yeah, speculation that the 300pt SP box that is now out of production is being replaced by the 300pts of MO that we saw about 3 months back. Joan + Hospitalers + Order Sergeants + Blackfriar, I think it was.
Does anyone have a link to the image? All I can find is this one:
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2018/07/09 02:10:39
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
Micky wrote: Yeah, speculation that the 300pt SP box that is now out of production is being replaced by the 300pts of MO that we saw about 3 months back. Joan + Hospitalers + Order Sergeants + Blackfriar, I think it was.
Does anyone have a link to the image? All I can find is this one:
Is that really it? Those are all very old models.
Is that a natural 21?
Nomads & Yu Jing
2018/07/09 03:51:20
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
No. I know the picture that he's thinking of, but can't find it again. It is basically all the MO stuff that has been released in the past six months with their current red and blue paint jobs. It's probably somewhere in this rumor thread.
2018/07/09 04:28:57
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
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