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 Monkeysloth wrote:
Surprise Shas and Ur are the same!

Honestly though why have the official art them being green while the mini is white/metal?

It is the same color. The green lighting is just reflecting off the armor surfaces.

...and of course, I'm most wanting PanO Svalarheima and Haqqislam Ramah.

I wonder if this book will have any CA stuff in it. the cover certainly implies that it does. it seems to early for Shasvastii. But it would be unfortunate to have a book focusing on the Paradiso conflict that doesn't include the largest force fighting there and the literal entire reason the conflict exists at all.

Or maybe the book being "new Paradiso" just means that it will be representing the campaign and Spec Ops rules from that book?

 .Mikes. wrote:
This, I believe, is the big N on the calendar which was supposed to really shake things up, so I can only assue it's a Caskuda sectorial.

Perfect Seeing the Current Climate of Acontecimento Very Funny Bro +1

 jake wrote:
I wonder if this book will have any CA stuff in it. the cover certainly implies that it does. it seems to early for Shasvastii. But it would be unfortunate to have a book focusing on the Paradiso conflict that doesn't include the largest force fighting there and the literal entire reason the conflict exists at all.

Or maybe the book being "new Paradiso" just means that it will be representing the campaign and Spec Ops rules from that book?

I know Carlos said that Tohaa and Shasvastii are being redone and Shasvastii are getting the same treatment the Morats did when they were the redone
My guess is Shasvastii X Tohaa for that whole killing an entire Shashvastii Planet. That might be a Motive.

"I belong to the sequential brood 6/529. Along with my siblings, I was bred as a soldier and protector of my race. I was conditioned to be the perfect guardian of the Shaviish—the SpawnEmbryo reserve-hatchery—for the Aerota star cluster. When the Shaviish was destroyed by the Tohaa, I was left with no other motivation but vengeance" Hasht.

Who knows...

 5deadly wrote:

 .Mikes. wrote:
This, I believe, is the big N on the calendar which was supposed to really shake things up, so I can only assue it's a Caskuda sectorial.

Perfect Seeing the Current Climate of Acontecimento Very Funny Bro +1

 jake wrote:
I wonder if this book will have any CA stuff in it. the cover certainly implies that it does. it seems to early for Shasvastii. But it would be unfortunate to have a book focusing on the Paradiso conflict that doesn't include the largest force fighting there and the literal entire reason the conflict exists at all.

Or maybe the book being "new Paradiso" just means that it will be representing the campaign and Spec Ops rules from that book?

I know Carlos said that Tohaa and Shasvastii are being redone and Shasvastii are getting the same treatment the Morats did when they were the redone
My guess is Shasvastii X Tohaa for that whole killing an entire Shashvastii Planet. That might be a Motive.

"I belong to the sequential brood 6/529. Along with my siblings, I was bred as a soldier and protector of my race. I was conditioned to be the perfect guardian of the Shaviish—the SpawnEmbryo reserve-hatchery—for the Aerota star cluster. When the Shaviish was destroyed by the Tohaa, I was left with no other motivation but vengeance" Hasht.

Who knows...

This seems too early for Shasvastii, or a Tohaa rework (assuming this book will be released late this year). We were told we'd be seeing both of those armies in the second half of next year. But who knows? maybe we'll get lists first and new models later? In the case of Tohaa the full (or nearly full) range already exists.

Shasvastii were slated to start concepting after GenCon. It's worth mentioning that chunks of the range aren't slated to be touched, such as the Sphinx and Noctifers.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Shasvastii were slated to start concepting after GenCon. It's worth mentioning that chunks of the range aren't slated to be touched, such as the Sphinx and Noctifers.

I think that's a really bad move not dropping a new Sphinx seeing as Raicho's had 2... 2 models... but what do I know...

New Sphinx is a clencher oh well

@jake I thought I heard Carlos say Shasvastii early 19' I can't see any other Sect getting done for combined... Alien Year
Aida Swanson is there w/ intent as is Drop/Mi Rules

With no insider info just guessing I'd say JSA level Overhaul with an Army box to boot early 19'

But I'm just guessing

 5deadly wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Shasvastii were slated to start concepting after GenCon. It's worth mentioning that chunks of the range aren't slated to be touched, such as the Sphinx and Noctifers.

I think that's a really bad move not dropping a new Sphinx seeing as Raicho's had 2... 2 models... but what do I know...

New Sphinx is a clencher oh well

@jake I thought I heard Carlos say Shasvastii early 19' I can't see any other Sect getting done for combined... Alien Year
Aida Swanson is there w/ intent as is Drop/Mi Rules

With no insider info just guessing I'd say JSA level Overhaul with an Army box to boot early 19'

But I'm just guessing

Maybe plans have changed, but I'd heard later 2019 several times, including a warning not to expect them too soon. But who knows?

I'm also expecting a huge overhaul, possibly the largest one we've ever seen. Although since they're nearly starting from scratch (unlike OSS, Tunguska, JSA, etc, which all already had several models) it may take a few years for Shasvastii to really get their full release.As far as I know only the Noctifers and the Sphinx are staying? That leaves 10 older units that will need models. It wouldn';t surprise me to see some o fthose heavily revised or even eliminated, but it also wouldn't surprise me to see some new stuff. I also think we will eventually see new versions of the Noctifrs and Sphinx, just not right away.

Honestly they could just touch up a couple of N2 rules outliers (Seed Embryo, Morpho-Scan) and make a couple of profile tweaks (Caliban and Cadmus *really* stand out) and that'd tide people over just fine until the full rework comes next year. A lot of shas units are already seriously good.

Thats true. The army isn't in a bad place. But I suspect that they're planning a larger set of changes than that, and that they'll want to wait till they're ready instead of releasing another "tide you over' update.

 Micky wrote:
Honestly they could just touch up a couple of N2 rules outliers (Seed Embryo, Morpho-Scan) and make a couple of profile tweaks (Caliban and Cadmus *really* stand out) and that'd tide people over just fine until the full rework comes next year. A lot of shas units are already seriously good.

They’re gonna need some link choices. Wouldn’t be surprised if batroids or some sort mechanized unit is introduced. They don’t have much in the way of order monkeys.

Yeah, I mean, they still need a top to bottom fundamental rework. But if they're not getting that now, and its waiting for a new line of miniatures, those two profiles I listed are the ones that most need it. Everything else (aside from Seed Soldiers) is more or less fine as is.

The plot thickens

Has there been any indication of the LE mini that will accompany the book for pre-order?

Nope.

 schoon wrote:
Has there been any indication of the LE mini that will accompany the book for pre-order?

just that there is one, and that its not raoul spector

It's not Warren Spector is it?

Speculation is that the LE mini may be a Xenotechnologist.

Pre-order begins next Monday. Sometime this week we will see the LE mini.

Is the Xenotechnologist essentially a generic HVT, or will it be a separate unit like the Warcor? Will it be human?

It's a bit offensive for CB to feature MO in a teaser when MO won't really feature in this book.

It's secondly offensive that they tease SAA when we know they're going away.

This book is the third offensive.

Yeah the focus on MO and now ASA is a headsctratcher.

I thought maybe it would tie in to the LE miniature - maybe a mercenary Knight who fights for anyone against the CA.

I think it'd make more sense for the MRRF to have a bit of a teaser as their supposed last hurrah as they make a last stand into oblivion.

Instead, we get a teaser for MO because they'll be getting Knights on Bikes?

FRRM made their last stand in Planet Dawn alerting everybody that CA proper has infiltrated far deeper in the Human Sphere than anybody imagined possible.

3rd offensive is placed on Planet Paradiso were the Teutonic Order has its monastery studying alien artefacts and fighting the Combined army now we get a teaser of ASA been deployed on Paradiso.

 dulydude wrote:

Purportedly this is fanmade, not an actual teaser.

Also the silhouette is an ORC. Not a Bagh-Mari.

It is official.

 dulydude wrote:

Any chance they'll roll ASA units into Varuna and let the fluff explain it away?

Doesn't seem entirely implausible to me.

 PsychoticStorm wrote:

3rd offensive is placed on Planet Paradiso were the Teutonic Order has its monastery studying alien artefacts and fighting the Combined army now we get a teaser of ASA been deployed on Paradiso.

Massive Teuton rework and deployment into the tweaked Paradiso-bound ASA confirmed!

 Bladerunner2019 wrote:

 dulydude wrote:

Any chance they'll roll ASA units into Varuna and let the fluff explain it away?

Doesn't seem entirely implausible to me.

Nope.

Let me reiterate again:
That picture is:
a) Fanmade
b) An ORC, not a Bagh-Mari.

Yesyesyes, Third Offensive is a real thing but I can't find that picture on any of their official social media accounts.

 Kanluwen wrote:

a) Fanmade

As I said above the picture is genuine.