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He has a bit of 'unfortunate troll' in him at times.

We'll see ultimately where they're at.

 Monkeysloth wrote:


I don't know if there's official fluff yet but the article on their website describes it as :

As were the Spartans at the Battle of Thermopylae, the brave soldiers of Merovingia will be remembered as heroes for their sacrifice.

Take that to mean what you will.

Unofficially Carlos has said they're gone, completely wiped out but he does tend to lean towards the dramatic side when it comes to this kind of thing.

Yeah, but here's the thing that happened after the battle of thermopykae....

The MRRF were being deployed to Novyy Cimmeria to establish another beachead in an effort to secure further territory in the Kurage conflict. It was the largest concentration of their forces since the Ariadnan Commercial Conflicts, flying in what they thought were relatively friendly skies aboard three ekranoplans. Their flightpath took them into range of a previously undiscovered OCF incursion, the first major EI incursion outside of the Paradiso system, who promptly opened up with their AA capabilities and shot down all three craft.
Two exploded in midair and the third executed a crash landing, with the surviving MRRF troops throwing up a defensive position while coming under assault from OCF ground forces.
Having lost more than two thirds of their operational fighting strength in a surprise attack and desperate defence, the MRRF have entered a rebuilding stage, hence their (temporary) withdrawl.

Source

Yeah, it was just their frontline elite corps that was wiped out. Still plenty of reserves. They're just focused on training and rebuilding for the moment, and not out being deployed on special forces black ops.

You know. Black ops.

The thing Infinity is about.

 Micky wrote:

The thing Infinity is about.

......complaining about combat heels?

Combat Heels are so....2015.

Tactical Debris is where it's at now!

 Mysterio wrote:
Combat Heels are so....2015.

Tactical Debris is where it's at now!

Indeed. It seems every box set now has to have at least one of the models have some.

But at least it makes more sense than combat heels.

I don't think it actually does - at least not in the frequency that CB employs it!

Look, the future is very rocky, ok?

Libertos Freedom fighters


They seem like Helots

Unfortunately that trailer doesn't say much, aside from mentioning Combined Army, Varuna, Tartary, OSS and Invincible army. That seems to imply a new CA sectorial, but it still seems to early for Shasvastii. Maybe a vanilla CA overhaul? It could certainly use it. The army is full of great stuff, but it often doesn't work well together.

 jake wrote:
Unfortunately that trailer doesn't say much, aside from mentioning Combined Army, Varuna, Tartary, OSS and Invincible army. That seems to imply a new CA sectorial, but it still seems to early for Shasvastii. Maybe a vanilla CA overhaul? It could certainly use it. The army is full of great stuff, but it often doesn't work well together.

That's a lot right there. Those 4 sectorials need some fluff.

I hope CB doesn't plan release books at this kind of pace every year. Just no way I would buy that many, their writing is tedious.

Oh look, no Tunguska.

 Mysterio wrote:
Combat Heels are so....2015.

Tactical Debris is where it's at now!

I'm currently painting the Riot Grrl Missile Launcher. Combat Heel perched on a Tactical Debris rock!

So the preorder mini is a Helot resistance fighter. Coincidently enough the preview of the PanO RPG book also came out and there's a large section on Helots.

 LunarSol wrote:

 Mysterio wrote:
Combat Heels are so....2015.

Tactical Debris is where it's at now!

I'm currently painting the Riot Grrl Missile Launcher. Combat Heel perched on a Tactical Debris rock!

 .Mikes. wrote:
Look, the future is very rocky, ok?

I thought the line was, " The future's so bright I gotta wear shades" Turns out it is, "The future's so rocky I gotta wear combat heels."

With apologies to Timbuk3.

Invincible Army eh? LE mini is a WTF? Unless the Helot resistance joins with the EI , against the Humans. Then the CA just got a new unit. I still need more info before committing to pre-order. That LE mini is not a selling point for me.

Huh, kind of makes my "well, I'm certainly not going to pre-order any more Infinity books" threat kind of hollow when I'm legitimately not interested in the pre-order mini.

Oh well.

I guess waiting and seeing is made easier at the very least. Let's hope they don't bung up the Invincible Army like they did with most of the Uprising fluff.

In case anyone missed it, it's been confirmed that MO will be getting profile changes in the new book which make the 300pt box playable.

Maybe the Helot Resistance will be a mercenary subfaction usable by any army except PanO? It would be nice for CA to have more mercenary options.

 Barzam wrote:
Maybe the Helot Resistance will be a mercenary subfaction usable by any army except PanO? It would be nice for CA to have more mercenary options.

Is it possible they are a tohaa uplift race?

 Bladerunner2019 wrote:

 Barzam wrote:
Maybe the Helot Resistance will be a mercenary subfaction usable by any army except PanO? It would be nice for CA to have more mercenary options.

Is it possible they are a tohaa uplift race?

Quite but I don't think there's any official fluff on it. With the next Tohaa army being the group that did the experiments on humans and Antipodes on Dawn as well as killing the wormhole to dawn causing the crash on Pardisio the Helot Resistance could be part of that faction which we know will have lots of aliens in it.

 The Infinite wrote:
The MRRF were being deployed to Novyy Cimmeria to establish another beachead in an effort to secure further territory in the Kurage conflict. It was the largest concentration of their forces since the Ariadnan Commercial Conflicts, flying in what they thought were relatively friendly skies aboard three ekranoplans. Their flightpath took them into range of a previously undiscovered OCF incursion, the first major EI incursion outside of the Paradiso system, who promptly opened up with their AA capabilities and shot down all three craft.
Two exploded in midair and the third executed a crash landing, with the surviving MRRF troops throwing up a defensive position while coming under assault from OCF ground forces.
Having lost more than two thirds of their operational fighting strength in a surprise attack and desperate defence, the MRRF have entered a rebuilding stage, hence their (temporary) withdrawl.

Source

So CB is going to try and tell me that between the Chasseurs (of which there's at least 3 other regiments), the Moblots, the Paracommandos, the Mirage teams, the Zouaves and the Briscards, the French could not fill more than 3 planes???

It was just dumb, lacked any finesse, and the only way that us FRRM players swallowed the pill so easily was because this coincided with CB granting us things we needed 3 years ago (and mostly Infinity fans aren't in it for the fluff).

And the freaking mistranslated letters...

Corvus Belli's number for Ariadna are WAAAAAAYYYYYY off being realistic.

Realistically, Ariadna should have hundreds of millions to maybe a little over a billion population, instead of the 8.5 million CB gives. Otherwise there is no way they could maintain their current level of technology. 3 planes would in no way wipe out the MRRF, which is the main military force of an entire faction on Dawn. Even if they are the smallest force.

 Bladerunner2019 wrote:

 Barzam wrote:
Maybe the Helot Resistance will be a mercenary subfaction usable by any army except PanO? It would be nice for CA to have more mercenary options.

Is it possible they are a tohaa uplift race?

Its always possible, but most likely not. The places where the Tohaa have been meddling usually have some hinting at it. Varuna has no mentions of Tohaa presence that I can find even in the RPG material.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Corvus Belli's number for Ariadna are WAAAAAAYYYYYY off being realistic.

Realistically, Ariadna should have hundreds of millions to maybe a little over a billion population, instead of the 8.5 million CB gives. Otherwise there is no way they could maintain their current level of technology. 3 planes would in no way wipe out the MRRF, which is the main military force of an entire faction on Dawn. Even if they are the smallest force.

 Bladerunner2019 wrote:

 Barzam wrote:
Maybe the Helot Resistance will be a mercenary subfaction usable by any army except PanO? It would be nice for CA to have more mercenary options.

Is it possible they are a tohaa uplift race?

Its always possible, but most likely not. The places where the Tohaa have been meddling usually have some hinting at it. Varuna has no mentions of Tohaa presence that I can find even in the RPG material.

The whole thing didnt make any sense. The French deployed enough troops that wiping them all out would leave them no fighting capabilities whatsoever (which is just moronic, really), but the CA infiltration team still outnumbered them?

And once the whole of Ariadna is made aware that CA is on Dawn, in numbers large enough to wipe out the French, why the frak does anyone cares about Kurage? Including the Japs?

Logically, the whole of the Human Sphere would have paused, celebrated the martyrdom of the Frenchies, and united as a whole to defeat the new CA push. Afterall, the French did just manage to do singlehandedly what the other factions couldnt on Paradiso ; force the CA to retreat from a planet.

 Grey Templar wrote:

 Bladerunner2019 wrote:

 Barzam wrote:
Maybe the Helot Resistance will be a mercenary subfaction usable by any army except PanO? It would be nice for CA to have more mercenary options.

Is it possible they are a tohaa uplift race?

Its always possible, but most likely not. The places where the Tohaa have been meddling usually have some hinting at it. Varuna has no mentions of Tohaa presence that I can find even in the RPG material.

Just because it's not in the RPG doesn't mean much TBH. While Gutier has stated he wants the RPG to be the most up to date on fluff the process of creating the RPG has shown that he had very little of the fluff actually solidified which is part of the long delay for the original core book. You can also look at the amount of new fluff in the PanO and Haqq books compared to the first, Aridna which was pretty poor, as he's gotten farther along developing things. Helots could be a plot point they want to save for later on, haven't fully developed so we won't see mention of it till the Tohaa book or, in the case of JSA, decide to change at the last minute and Modiphius doesn't find out until the public announcing like we all did. Though I doubt if they're not in the Trimultive (sp?) Tohaa army then they probably aren't -- but who knows until it's official one way or the other.


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 Kovnik Obama wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Corvus Belli's number for Ariadna are WAAAAAAYYYYYY off being realistic.

Realistically, Ariadna should have hundreds of millions to maybe a little over a billion population, instead of the 8.5 million CB gives. Otherwise there is no way they could maintain their current level of technology. 3 planes would in no way wipe out the MRRF, which is the main military force of an entire faction on Dawn. Even if they are the smallest force.

The whole thing didnt make any sense. The French deployed enough troops that wiping them all out would leave them no fighting capabilities whatsoever (which is just moronic, really), but the CA infiltration team still outnumbered them?

And once the whole of Ariadna is made aware that CA is on Dawn, in numbers large enough to wipe out the French, why the frak does anyone cares about Kurage? Including the Japs?

Logically, the whole of the Human Sphere would have paused, celebrated the martyrdom of the Frenchies, and united as a whole to defeat the new CA push. Afterall, the French did just manage to do singlehandedly what the other factions couldnt on Paradiso ; force the CA to retreat from a planet.

I thought Ariadna had it's tech level due to trading of Tesnium (or however it's spelled) and it's artificially high due to that? Or are you talking about the near modern earth level of tech?

As for the 3 planes, aren't infinity armies only supposed to be the special forces only and not the main armies? You could kind of see a small force like MRRF being only a few hundred since they're urban warfare which isn't something Ariadna has a lot of. Still 3 plains seams small but I guess we have no idea how many troops those could transport.

I doubt Ariadna would raise to such population levels, Ariana was the first of the two ships the one that carried the infrastructure, Aurora was the ship carrying the main settlers force, in 100 something years, with all the hardships hostile Antipodes and the internal conflict a few million population is about right if not exceeding expectations, especially if the governments of Dawn have not "enforced" some form of breeding program to rapidly expand the population, something that can be complicated by lack of infrastructure to support a big population, since the main settlers force was missing and the planet proved to be more hostile than expected, Agriculture and livestock breeding expansion necessary to sustain an expanding population may be hit.

Now I understand the criticism and some things could have been better explained, the 3 ekranoplanes were huge, if they were not shot down by a vastly technologically superior force, that should not be there, they would vastly outnumber the combined forces, the survivors of three burning crash landings is another story.

While it seems odd at first to fly fast and without much precaution over the area, CA was not supposed to be in any significant numbers anywhere outside the Paradiso system and as far as the human sphere is concerned the nanite clouds infesting the region make any form of AA impossible and nanite clouds have not been used on Paradiso to know if CA forces are affected or not by such technology.

Now from what I know a force sustaining 1/3rd of its forces as casualties is deemed unfit for service and must be either disbanded or be extensively reinforced and retrained before it is deemed fit for duty, FRRM does not represent the entirety of Merovigian forces, but the pinnacle of the Merovigian forces, there are undoubtedly some small formations of FRRM still active out there and the Merovigian armed forces scattered around the Ariadna armed forces were not in the incident, but the well trained work close together units that are the core of FRRM have sustained enouph casualties to force the concept of FRRM to be in restructuring.

Now, the incident is both covered up (candy cloud) and downplayed because Ariadnas believe, probably rightfully so, that the big two will use it as an excuse to deploy significant military assets on the planet, not necessarily to e used against the CA forces and the CA incursion while proven devastating in an ambush does not seem to be uncontainable so far.

Hope this helps.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Corvus Belli's number for Ariadna are WAAAAAAYYYYYY off being realistic.

Realistically, Ariadna should have hundreds of millions to maybe a little over a billion population, instead of the 8.5 million CB gives. Otherwise there is no way they could maintain their current level of technology. 3 planes would in no way wipe out the MRRF, which is the main military force of an entire faction on Dawn. Even if they are the smallest force.

 Bladerunner2019 wrote:

 Barzam wrote:
Maybe the Helot Resistance will be a mercenary subfaction usable by any army except PanO? It would be nice for CA to have more mercenary options.

Is it possible they are a tohaa uplift race?

Its always possible, but most likely not. The places where the Tohaa have been meddling usually have some hinting at it. Varuna has no mentions of Tohaa presence that I can find even in the RPG material.

The Helots explicitly are Tohaa uplifts.
The Tohaa colony Oomnya was evacuated (largely because of the failure of the Helot uplift to produce results) and the Digestor transported off world. That digestor was the one intercepted by the Triumvirate and left on Paradiso as a snare for the CA/human conflict.

 jake wrote:
Unfortunately that trailer doesn't say much, aside from mentioning Combined Army, Varuna, Tartary, OSS and Invincible army. That seems to imply a new CA sectorial, but it still seems to early for Shasvastii. Maybe a vanilla CA overhaul? It could certainly use it. The army is full of great stuff, but it often doesn't work well together.

There are some rumours that we will see some MAF update with this book and the same source said that MO will be updated and CB already confirmed MO update.
So you can hope . Also one of the teaser spoke about Ko Dali, so maybe she will see some changes too.

Tommorow we will have more information about Third offensive content.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Corvus Belli's number for Ariadna are WAAAAAAYYYYYY off being realistic.

Realistically, Ariadna should have hundreds of millions to maybe a little over a billion population, instead of the 8.5 million CB gives. Otherwise there is no way they could maintain their current level of technology. 3 planes would in no way wipe out the MRRF, which is the main military force of an entire faction on Dawn. Even if they are the smallest force.

Ignoring all the stuff about population (because we've had that argument before), Ekranoplans are huge. In terms of aircraft rather than GEVs, it's more like a fleet of 30-40 military transports in capacity.