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From Reddit Someone played Defiance and posted about it:

And talked to part of the development team.
Its a fun game, to me (new to Infinity and haven't played Aristeia) it feels like a hypervitaminated Zombicide. The rules are a lot like Aristeia's, easy to follow and based on the dice symbols. There are a lot of "additional effects" to everything, so it adds flavour to the characters and enemies. IA feels kinda easy to predict but very dangerous, each troop has differences/preferences, scenarios affect some of their behaviour, evil forces can be haded to a player to make things way harder. There is no ARO, except simultaneous hand to hand combat.
Characters evolve by acquiring perks-equipment, but can also pile wounds that have very negative effects on the campaign.
We played the demo and it took around an hour 30min.
Kickstarter date: end of October. Will have unlockable things, but probably not a lot of those will be minis.
Basic box: around 90-100€ - 15 minis
Deluxe box: around 220-240€ - 50 minis (some of them are represented with cardboard in the basic box).
Next heroes to be added: Haqqislam Healer, Aleph (can't remember if he said the role of the Aleph)..

https://www.reddit.com/r/InfinityTheGame/comments/d50s8i/so_i_played_defiance_yesterday/

Good luck to them with those prices if they wanna target at boardgamers,lol

It's an okay price for metal minis, but when today with CMON ks you get like +100 minis for 100$, and most boardgamers arent super crazy about mini assembly and painting them, I don't really see many of them wanting to go for deluxe version...

Well, I wish them good luck never the less, but won't be backing this. For 230$ I can get Aeon Trespass and Oathsworn(probably some more if I want oathsworn minis)

Hypervitaminated?

It doesn’t feel like Defiance is for current infinity players or board gamers.

Weird!

Still, lots yet to be revealed, I suppose.

I'm glad they are going with metal minis. I was really disappointed with the Aristeia plastic models - I wish they had offered metal versions of them outside of the collector's edition (which only covered the core set). So, I'm all for it.

I doubt board gamers will be though - metal minis you can't just throw in a box. Even if they were single, solid pieces of metal, the weight of those guys moving around would cause real damage to each other. And 50 metal minis are expensive... and heavy (which means shipping will be even more expensive).

And I'm still waiting for Operation Wildfire to arrive. It's been delayed by weeks in the US. Seems like every time I pre-order an Infinity product, I end up getting it a month after everybody else does. Does make me hesitant to invest in a kickstarter with an even more nebulous release date.

I want to be all onboard with Defiance. It will really depend on the price and the minis. I generally really like most Infinity minis, so if it is 50 minis that I really like, I'll take that over 100 minis where I really only like a dozen or so - as long as it doesn't translate to $500 + $100 in shipping.

Regarding Wildfire here in the US...we're going to see more issues like this in all likelihood. Warstore's distribution side of things was a big deal and Corvus Belli was yanking them around for awhile prior to Warstore going under.

There's been a lot of delays this year regarding stuff in the US, and post-event delays likely make it worse.

 Monkeysloth wrote:
From Reddit Someone played Defiance and posted about it:

And talked to part of the development team.
Its a fun game, to me (new to Infinity and haven't played Aristeia) it feels like a hypervitaminated Zombicide. The rules are a lot like Aristeia's, easy to follow and based on the dice symbols. There are a lot of "additional effects" to everything, so it adds flavour to the characters and enemies. IA feels kinda easy to predict but very dangerous, each troop has differences/preferences, scenarios affect some of their behaviour, evil forces can be haded to a player to make things way harder. There is no ARO, except simultaneous hand to hand combat.
Characters evolve by acquiring perks-equipment, but can also pile wounds that have very negative effects on the campaign.
We played the demo and it took around an hour 30min.
Kickstarter date: end of October. Will have unlockable things, but probably not a lot of those will be minis.
Basic box: around 90-100€ - 15 minis
Deluxe box: around 220-240€ - 50 minis (some of them are represented with cardboard in the basic box).
Next heroes to be added: Haqqislam Healer, Aleph (can't remember if he said the role of the Aleph)..

https://www.reddit.com/r/InfinityTheGame/comments/d50s8i/so_i_played_defiance_yesterday/

Super interesting, thanks for sharing.

I cannot help but feel like this is the game that needs cheap plastic models, way more than Aristeia. This game is tapping into the board game market and that market does not want to assemble minis or worry about them breaking in the box. This is a game that they will bust out once a week (at best) and have fun with. The models are not going to be lavishly painted by most board gamers. That is why so many companies are switching to colored plastics - that way the enemies and allies all have different colors. To me, this feels like CB is not really committing to the idea of the Board Game market and instead is just catering to us, the enfranchised playerbase (who want highly detailed metal models (because the models will be pulling double duty in the board game and the wargame)).

 Kanluwen wrote:
Regarding Wildfire here in the US...we're going to see more issues like this in all likelihood. Warstore's distribution side of things was a big deal and Corvus Belli was yanking them around for awhile prior to Warstore going under.

There's been a lot of delays this year regarding stuff in the US, and post-event delays likely make it worse.

Yeah CB was really messing with the Warstore before they closed up shop. Super sad.

My brother's copy of Wildfire came today...and oh boy, of all the things to be missing from the box it's the 84 page booklet.

Don't care enough to really deal with their "missing parts" but seriously? How hard was it to avoid misplacing THAT?

 Kanluwen wrote:
My brother's copy of Wildfire came today...and oh boy, of all the things to be missing from the box it's the 84 page booklet.

Don't care enough to really deal with their "missing parts" but seriously? How hard was it to avoid misplacing THAT?

That's wild. At least it was not something "necessary".

The best mis-boxing issue I have seen is my Spiral Corps. box came with 4 Spiral dice rather than 3!

I feel like defiance needs plastic too but I think the compromise is the cardboard cutouts but the base version should have been 100% cardboard and like $60. Then have a $40 add on pack for the 15 metal. Being a mix of the two isn't going to really appeal to anyone.

Hypervitaminated?

ya, don't think English is the Reddit posters first language and that's probably something that doesn't translate over from Spanish or learned elsewhere.

I feel like Defiance is less its own game and more a test ground for new ways to do mass army updates. Its feeling less like Aristeia!! and more like Speed Freekz.

As long as it plays well I'm fine with that. I can't really get people to play infinity anymore due to the shear volume of rules that have to be learned.

Defiance would be a pretty easy sell.

 LunarSol wrote:
I feel like Defiance is less its own game and more a test ground for new ways to do mass army updates. Its feeling less like Aristeia!! and more like Speed Freekz.

That is an interesting take. Definitely the opposite from what I think most people were thinking this was going to be. Looking at the game from that perspective actually seems super reasonable.

 Monkeysloth wrote:
I feel like defiance needs plastic too but I think the compromise is the cardboard cutouts but the base version should have been 100% cardboard and like $60. Then have a $40 add on pack for the 15 metal. Being a mix of the two isn't going to really appeal to anyone.

Hypervitaminated?

ya, don't think English is the Reddit posters first language and that's probably something that doesn't translate over from Spanish or learned elsewhere.

Yeah, I'm guessing it is his version of "on steroids" but I like HYPERVITAMINTED way more!

How was CB jerking around the WarStore? (And yes, it was a very sad, and undeserved end for Neil at al. Now that I know what was going on, I suspect those goings-on had something to do with my complaints about the place, BITD.)

 Kanluwen wrote:
My brother's copy of Wildfire came today...and oh boy, of all the things to be missing from the box it's the 84 page booklet.

Don't care enough to really deal with their "missing parts" but seriously? How hard was it to avoid misplacing THAT?

Do care enough. You might just get a whole new box, if CB doesn't have a few extra booklets lying around. I've had 2 missing bits over the years. It's never been a hassle to get replacements.

remind a middle-aged man with a fading memory, when does the Defiance KS start?

 Red Harvest wrote:

Don't care enough to really deal with their "missing parts" but seriously? How hard was it to avoid misplacing THAT?

Do care enough. You might just get a whole new box, if CB doesn't have a few extra booklets lying around. I've had 2 missing bits over the years. It's never been a hassle to get replacements.
remind a middle-aged man with a fading memory, when does the Defiance KS start?

Is there a thread summarizing what happened to Neil? I was sad to hear them go.

Life, coupled with something relating to a load of theft/embezzlement via the work release program he was involved in via his church.

There's a thread on it somewhere and I know The Warstore themselves posted something on their webpage/facebook.

Here's the thread, it's only 2 pages so not much investment to read. https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/776154.page

 LunarSol wrote:
Is there a thread summarizing what happened to Neil? I was sad to hear them go.

The Warstore had a warehouse/distribution center in Reno. In late 2015/early 2016,the Warstore expanded their business in Reno by moving their warehouse to a new site and, more importantly, opening a physical retail store. The store was quite popular locally but was definitely not cheap to set up or maintain (as stores are known to be). It was a big investment on the Warstore's side, and one that looked like it was going to pay off if it the store was given the time to establish itself locally. From what I understand the Warstore was also expanding and improving the physical retail store they had back east as well.

So right as a lot of money was being sunk into the business' expansion into physical retail stores, the embezzlement was discovered. Neil was forced to abruptly end all expansion. The warehouse and the retail store in Reno were closed. The company kind of limped on for a few more years but it never really recovered from the dual financial hit of the expansion and the embezzlement.

I am sure there were other issues going on behind the scenes as well, especially with the increased competition with other online retailers.

Beyond Wildfire(painted)



Spiral Corps Heavy Guy


A Yu Jing Guy!


Pavel McMannus

Very, very nice releases!

Wow, that highlighting! It looks like CB hired the 'Eavy Metal Team.

 Kanluwen wrote:


Spiral Corps Heavy Guy

He looks pretty cool (and human) for an alien faction sectorial. For a quick inception web search that led me from the engine back 30 pages into this thread, he's apparently a kiel saan something or other. It would make a good rpg character figure given the quintuple weapons modelled on him! From a size comparison pic on brueckenkopf, they seem pretty large (terminator+).

What are rhe 012 models in the beyond box?

 .Mikes. wrote:
What are rhe 012 models in the beyond box?

Cuervo Goldstein, Betatrooper and Omega Unit.

Goldstein is a pretty solid miss for me. CB used to be pretty dialed in for AD trooper poses but over the last year or so has really been missing the mark. I can't decide if Goldstein is doing a goofy flying karate kick, striking a salsa dance pose in the air or trying very hard to look cool before he inevitably breaks his ankles.

Betatrooper looks like how CSUs should look.

Hulang looks legit. I've been waffling at doing IA but he might tip the balance for me. Hulang would look awesome in a Coalition States color scheme.

Shas are still making me regret going all in on Onyx Contact. They look consistently great (barring the flappy face humanoid one).

The Betatrooper is absolutely adorable and looks like the robotic police from Neill Blomkamp movies.

The one at the back right? There is a hint of Tetra Vaal and Elysium about its head, now you mention it.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
The one at the back right? There is a hint of Tetra Vaal and Elysium about its head, now you mention it.

Yes..."hint".

More Elysium than Chappie, but only in the head.