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In my community a little mixed, but that's because those who would be driving it have been preoccupied with real life for a bit

Those that have played it have really really enjoyed it, those that haven't played it yet are hesitant to try it for some reason! The plastics are a little off putting, but since CB seem to be making the collectors edition a product made in limit quantities during the year maybe more will get into it.

That last point is an assumption based off how it is up for pre-order again in association with the JSA pack and new book

Thanks. The plastics seem pretty good to me for preassembled plastic but obviously they won't compare to the metals. I just don't know how much utility normal Infinity players can get from the boxed set minis either.

As in the metals?
You can probably use them to proxie a range of minis. Gata as a civi, hexa as a Reverend Custodier, maximus as a small tag!

Base size isn't important in Aristeia, just the miniature itself (and it being clear what hex it's in). I'm going to base mine (the metals ones) on whatever is smaller and get extenders for the larger size if needed.

JSA unboxing

Tournament Pack with exclusive O-Yoroi...it's like they never learn.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Tournament Pack with exclusive O-Yoroi...it's like they never learn.

I don't see what the problem is?

 jake wrote:

I don't see what the problem is?

Then either somehow you conveniently missed all of the complaints surrounding the Tikbalang/Uhlans and CB's insistence that "they couldn't fit a TAG into a blister!"(despite the fact that they did just that) or you don't see it as an issue that there is a TAG 'exclusive' variant.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 jake wrote:

I don't see what the problem is?

Then either somehow you conveniently missed all of the complaints surrounding the Tikbalang/Uhlans and CB's insistence that "they couldn't fit a TAG into a blister!"(despite the fact that they did just that) or you don't see it as an issue that there is a TAG 'exclusive' variant.

You can always purchase these models when the season is over with. So it's only exclusive to tournament winners for a short period.

So..."Whiners gotta whine"?

I am not a JSA player, but I am going to get one of these packs to paly with my friends and try to win that TAG, I am really digging it.

 D6Damager wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 jake wrote:

I don't see what the problem is?

Then either somehow you conveniently missed all of the complaints surrounding the Tikbalang/Uhlans and CB's insistence that "they couldn't fit a TAG into a blister!"(despite the fact that they did just that) or you don't see it as an issue that there is a TAG 'exclusive' variant.

You can always purchase these models when the season is over with. So it's only exclusive to tournament winners for a short period.

You literally missed the point being made.

Corvus Belli, in the past, has tried to state that certain TAGs were put into double boxes because "TAGs can't fit into blisters".
The Tikbalang, after they made those statements, were put into a blister for tournament packs.
Once again they're releasing a TAG as an ITS prize.

Also worth mentioning that is a new look for the O-Yoroi, so hohum.

Is it? It looks like the same design, but in a pose that makes it look marginally less stupid than the generally-available one.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
Is it? It looks like the same design, but in a pose that makes it look marginally less stupid than the generally-available one.

Sure does look different.

Anyways, here's this:


Also looks like Ninjas will remain in vanilla YJ. Rejoice Red Veil owners, I guess?

 Kanluwen wrote:

 jake wrote:

I don't see what the problem is?

Then either somehow you conveniently missed all of the complaints surrounding the Tikbalang/Uhlans and CB's insistence that "they couldn't fit a TAG into a blister!"(despite the fact that they did just that) or you don't see it as an issue that there is a TAG 'exclusive' variant.

Oh, I see. No, I didn't miss the complaints about the Tik and Uhlans. I just thought everyone got over that three years ago. I guess not. In any case, thats not whats happening here at all.

And no, I don't see any problem with offering this variant as a tournament reward. It almost certainly won't have a special profile, and if it does you can still use the model thats been widely available for years to represent it. If you really want the variant you can play in a tournament or just buy your own tournament pack. I don't see any reason to complain here at all.

Will this new variant actually be available after the ITS season is over?

If so, eh, whatever, I guess.

If not, WTF?!?

 jake wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 jake wrote:

I don't see what the problem is?

Then either somehow you conveniently missed all of the complaints surrounding the Tikbalang/Uhlans and CB's insistence that "they couldn't fit a TAG into a blister!"(despite the fact that they did just that) or you don't see it as an issue that there is a TAG 'exclusive' variant.

Oh, I see. No, I didn't miss the complaints about the Tik and Uhlans. I just thought everyone got over that three years ago. I guess not. In any case, thats not whats happening here at all.

And no, I don't see any problem with offering this variant as a tournament reward. It almost certainly won't have a special profile, and if it does you can still use the model thats been widely available for years to represent it. If you really want the variant you can play in a tournament or just buy your own tournament pack. I don't see any reason to complain here at all.

"Buy a tournament pack"? That's a great solution; "hey you know that exclusive variant prize? Haha--just kidding anyone can buy them!".

So which is it: an "exclusive variant prize" or a retail item? Why not just send the things to shops rather than only sell them via CB's webstore?

Now that we've gotten a better look at the models I'm warming up to them a little. I'm still not super impressed by the set though. The sculpting is as top notch as always, but the majority of the models have very dull poses, and I really, really don't like the big HI. On the other hand, the Keisotsu look better than I thought, and both the HVT and Spec Op are really nice.

I'm still on the fence about getting the set I guess.





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 Kanluwen wrote:

"Buy a tournament pack"? That's a great solution; "hey you know that exclusive variant prize? Haha--just kidding anyone can buy them!".

So which is it: an "exclusive variant prize" or a retail item? Why not just send the things to shops rather than only sell them via CB's webstore?

Did you not realize that anyone can buy tournament packs? Thats how you get them. They don't magically appear whenever there's a tournament. Someone has to buy them. The models are exclusive to the tournament pack, and only available for a limited time, but anyone can buy a pack. You can even buy it from your local shop. Just ask them to order it for you. You won't even have to pay shipping.

So I'm not sure what your complaint actually is. First you were upset that you couldn't buy one. Then when I pointed out you could buy one, you got upset that it was labeled as "exclusive".

 jake wrote:
Now that we've gotten a better look at the models I'm warming up to them a little. I'm still not super impressed by the set though. The sculpting is as top notch as always, but the majority of the models have very dull poses, and I really, really don't like the big HI. On the other hand, the Keisotsu look better than I thought, and both the HVT and Spec Op are really nice.

I'm still on the fence about getting the set I guess.

I like them even more than I thought I would - and probably because of the poses.

Most attempts at dynamism are great in theory (or in concept art) and absolutely horribly in reality.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
Is it? It looks like the same design, but in a pose that makes it look marginally less stupid than the generally-available one.

Sure does look different.

I'll need to hold mine up to the screen to compare them, then.


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I suppose I could buy a tournament pack to get that mini, but at €70, it's quite the markup.

Yeah, that's the slight flaw in the "anyone can buy one" theory - I might want one, but not with the ITS Tournament Pack Tax!

 jake wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

"Buy a tournament pack"? That's a great solution; "hey you know that exclusive variant prize? Haha--just kidding anyone can buy them!".

So which is it: an "exclusive variant prize" or a retail item? Why not just send the things to shops rather than only sell them via CB's webstore?

Did you not realize that anyone can buy tournament packs? Thats how you get them. They don't magically appear whenever there's a tournament. Someone has to buy them. The models are exclusive to the tournament pack, and only available for a limited time, but anyone can buy a pack. You can even buy it from your local shop. Just ask them to order it for you. You won't even have to pay shipping.

So I'm not sure what your complaint actually is. First you were upset that you couldn't buy one. Then when I pointed out you could buy one, you got upset that it was labeled as "exclusive".

If you can't figure out the complaint, you're willfully blinding yourself to it.
The "complaint" is literally that despite CB saying "We can't do TAGs in blisters" this is now the second time we're having...TAGs in blisters.

And I'm well aware that you can buy tournament packs via stores. That doesn't change that it's ridiculous that you can buy tournament packs rather than CB providing them to WarCors/stores to use as game incentives.

The "complaint" is literally that despite CB saying "We can't do TAGs in blisters" this is now the second time we're having...TAGs in blisters.

If I'm allowed to speak.
I would say that CB does not want to pack TAGs in blisters because maybe it's such a crappy way to pack a big miniature!

And if we stick to the truth here, CB is not packing TAGs in blisters. Da facto, they are packing those inside tournament packs. Those are boxes.

Please, don't delete this comment this time. Summo Pontifice.

 Kanluwen wrote:


If you can't figure out the complaint, you're willfully blinding yourself to it.
The "complaint" is literally that despite CB saying "We can't do TAGs in blisters" this is now the second time we're having...TAGs in blisters.

And I'm well aware that you can buy tournament packs via stores. That doesn't change that it's ridiculous that you can buy tournament packs rather than CB providing them to WarCors/stores to use as game incentives.

Your complaint about TAGs in blisters had absolutely nothing to do with this topic or this release. Its just you bringing up an unrelated complaint from years ago and trying to force it into the conversation. The standard version of the O-Yoroi has been available to everyone as a separate product for years.

You didn't seem to be aware that you can buy tournament packs in stores, since you literally said "Why not just send the things to shops rather than only sell them via CB's webstore". I'm not sure why you think its ridiculous that you can buy tournament packs. It sounds like you think only Warcors and Stores should be able to get them. But just a few posts ago you were complaining about the model being exclusive to the tournament pack and not available for regular purchase.

I don't really get the complaining. CB has decided that it wants to offer special prizes for tournaments. Offering completely exclusive models created a big backlash in the past, so instead they've started offering models with alternate parts (usually alternate arms. In the case of this and the Tik these are models that are already widely available. In the case of other ITS prizes like Authorized Bounty Hunter and pilot Scarface these are models that will eventually get a general release with alternate parts. So everyone has access to the base model. But if you want the variant you can compete for it or buy a tournament pack. Thats seems fair to everyone, while still giving tournament players something neat to compete for. So how is it that this system generates constant complaints? Do you all just not want there to be special prizes?


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 Alpharius wrote:
Yeah, that's the slight flaw in the "anyone can buy one" theory - I might want one, but not with the ITS Tournament Pack Tax!

I don't disagree, but it is an option. Anyone can get it if they want. I gave in and bought the Krakot pack because I knew I wouldn't have a chance of competing in any tournaments that year.

 jake wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:


If you can't figure out the complaint, you're willfully blinding yourself to it.
The "complaint" is literally that despite CB saying "We can't do TAGs in blisters" this is now the second time we're having...TAGs in blisters.

And I'm well aware that you can buy tournament packs via stores. That doesn't change that it's ridiculous that you can buy tournament packs rather than CB providing them to WarCors/stores to use as game incentives.

Your complaint about TAGs in blisters had absolutely nothing to do with this topic or this release. Its just you bringing up an unrelated complaint from years ago and trying to force it into the conversation. The standard version of the O-Yoroi has been available to everyone as a separate product for years.

Pretty sure I don't have to "force it into the conversation" at all, since it's fairly topical when showcasing a second TAG being used as a tournament prize in a blister. It's a TAG in a blister when CB has stated they "can't do TAGs in blisters".

You didn't seem to be aware that you can buy tournament packs in stores, since you literally said "Why not just send the things to shops rather than only sell them via CB's webstore". I'm not sure why you think its ridiculous that you can buy tournament packs. It sounds like you think only Warcors and Stores should be able to get them. But just a few posts ago you were complaining about the model being exclusive to the tournament pack and not available for regular purchase.

I've been aware of them selling tournament packs via shops(which BTW: it's not "you buy tournament packs in stores"--you have to get a shop to order it for you. "buying tournament packs in stores" implies that you can go and get it off the shelf; you can't).

If you think I'm "complaining about the model being exclusive to the tournament pack and not available for regular purchase", then you've never once actually read any of my postings on the subject matter. But you've gone after me enough both here and previously on the old forums for me to think that is not the case.

So for a helpful hint on Kan's Opposition to Tournament Models
A) I'm not opposed to exclusive tournament prizes when they're actually exclusive tournament prizes.
B) Once the tournament prizes are available for general purchase, they cease to be "exclusive tournament prizes". They just become something that anyone, anywhere can buy. It kills the unique nature of it.
C) The fact that WarCors/Stores still have to pay for the tournament prize pack is ridiculous. You want them to run your games, but you won't just give them the prize support for it?
D) Alternate arms do not an exclusive make.

I don't really get the complaining. CB has decided that it wants to offer special prizes for tournaments. Offering completely exclusive models created a big backlash in the past, so instead they've started offering models with alternate parts (usually alternate arms. In the case of this and the Tik these are models that are already widely available. In the case of other ITS prizes like Authorized Bounty Hunter and pilot Scarface these are models that will eventually get a general release with alternate parts. So everyone has access to the base model. But if you want the variant you can compete for it or buy a tournament pack. Thats seems fair to everyone, while still giving tournament players something neat to compete for. So how is it that this system generates constant complaints? Do you all just not want there to be special prizes?

And here's another wonderful part:
"We can't do alternate arms for TAGs/models"...and there it is sitting right there.

Special prizes != "stuff that should be available in the box/blister to begin with".


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 BobbaFett wrote:

The "complaint" is literally that despite CB saying "We can't do TAGs in blisters" this is now the second time we're having...TAGs in blisters.

If I'm allowed to speak.
I would say that CB does not want to pack TAGs in blisters because maybe it's such a crappy way to pack a big miniature!

And if we stick to the truth here, CB is not packing TAGs in blisters. Da facto, they are packing those inside tournament packs. Those are boxes.

Then by your logic, blisters are always boxes since they come packed into shipping boxes.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Pretty sure I don't have to "force it into the conversation" at all, since it's fairly topical when showcasing a second TAG being used as a tournament prize in a blister. It's a TAG in a blister when CB has stated they "can't do TAGs in blisters".

Thats not topical, thats you forcing it into the conversation. No one at all was talking about it, an dthen you took an opportunity to bring up a 3 year old grudge you've been hauling around.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I've been aware of them selling tournament packs via shops(which BTW: it's not "you buy tournament packs in stores"--you have to get a shop to order it for you. "buying tournament packs in stores" implies that you can go and get it off the shelf; you can't)..

Any store can buy as many tournament packs as they want and sell them right off the shelf. Some even do. Most don't bother because theres not enough interest. But you can still order it through the store. And just becaus ethe store has to place a special order for you doesn't mean you're not buying it from the store.

 Kanluwen wrote:
So for a helpful hint on Kan's Opposition to Tournament Models
A) I'm not opposed to exclusive tournament prizes when they're actually exclusive tournament prizes.
B) Once the tournament prizes are available for general purchase, they cease to be "exclusive tournament prizes". They just become something that anyone, anywhere can buy. It kills the unique nature of it.
C) The fact that WarCors/Stores still have to pay for the tournament prize pack is ridiculous. You want them to run your games, but you won't just give them the prize support for it?
D) Alternate arms do not an exclusive make.

Okay, so...?

- You're not opposed to Exclusive prizes, as long as they're actually exclusive and not available for purchase.
- You don't think alternate arms makes a model exclusive.
- You don't think Warcors and STores should have to buy tournament packs. They should be free.

Thats all fine, but... what is your actual complaint? I literally can't tell. I can't tell if:

- You want the model, but only if you can win it. And you're upset that other people can just buy the model.
- You want the model, but you wanted it to be a completely new model and not what it actually is, so you don't actually want it. You want something that doesn't exist.
- You don't want the model, don't want to buy the model or win the model, but think that there should be super exclusive models that can be won, but also they should be fully original and not just variants with different parts. (This one isn't super unreasonable)
- You don't want the model and don't actually care, you just wanted an excuse to complain about how a pair of PanO models were packaged 3 years ago.

I'm guessing its the 4th one, but feel free to clarify.

At this juncture, taking some of the...finer...points of this tangent down to the INFINITY SUB-FORUM might be a better approach.

I look forward to reading more about this there, and less of it...here.

Japanese Secessionist Army, Druze Bayram Security, Ikari Company, StarCo, Free Company of the Star.

That's the "Non-Aligned Armies" for those who don't/can't watch the video.

Ikari--"If Druze are bad, these guys are worse". It will use a lot of JSA models as well apparently?
StarCo: "These are the good guys". Alguaciles, Mobile Brigada, Jaguars(?), "Raoul Spector" Mercenary Operative--Knauf. Lots of CJC stuff that is new. For whatever reason, Hardcases from USARF and Irmandinhos. Emily and Uhahu from the Outrage box(really gotta get their moneys worth from that box I guess). Mobile Brigada can link with Senor Massacre...and MB can Duo with Anacondas.

I'll be interested to see if that faction is literally populated by Nomad and Ariadnan units on their weekends off, or if they're representing different military units. I can see the Nomad fleet and Ariadna sponsoring a deniable mercenary outfit (like the Flying Tigers, Condor Legion or the Dendarii Free Mercenaries ), or those factions simply being a good recruiting ground for soldiers who've mustered out of their regular military.

I was hoping for something besides Merc companies, but I guess we knew it was coming eventually. Its not something I find very compelling, but I know some people have been really wanting them.

The New Sectorials--screenshots



Quite the hodge-podge of units.

Four new armies coming in addition to all of this. Hmmm. Vedic, Tunguska, Varuna, Invincible Army?