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 Kanluwen wrote:

It could be Shasvastii, since we know there's some designs they don't want to change(Shrouded, Caliban, Malignos, Gwailos, Sphinx)--but we also know there's significant changes they want to make to the basic Seed-Soldier concept.

...is that list remotely official? Because I struggle to believe they'd want to keep any of those super old designs around (previously stated, at onyx release, that Noctifers and Sphinx were safe)

 Micky wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

It could be Shasvastii, since we know there's some designs they don't want to change(Shrouded, Caliban, Malignos, Gwailos, Sphinx)--but we also know there's significant changes they want to make to the basic Seed-Soldier concept.

...is that list remotely official? Because I struggle to believe they'd want to keep any of those super old designs around (previously stated, at onyx release, that Noctifers and Sphinx were safe)

Note: it's the designs that they don't want to change, not necessarily the sculpts.

Hard to believe it since they say the want to make a Morat revamp to Shasvastii.

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
Hard to believe it since they say the want to make a Morat revamp to Shasvastii.

You mean the Morat revamp that left Rasyats alone(to the point of we're just seeing redesigns for them now), did very little to the design of the Vanguard(aside from 'biggerizing' them), and a few other things?

Yeah. That was such a revamp...that really amounted to resculpts not a redesign. Shasvastii are supposed to be getting a range overhaul and game mechanics, they're purportedly happy with the aesthetic for the most part(aside from the 'pistol bracelets').

They do manage to look very "sneaky alien scumbags" with their current design, and that's a good thing to hold onto.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
Hard to believe it since they say the want to make a Morat revamp to Shasvastii.

You mean the Morat revamp that left Rasyats alone(to the point of we're just seeing redesigns for them now), did very little to the design of the Vanguard(aside from 'biggerizing' them), and a few other things?

Yeah. That was such a revamp...that really amounted to resculpts not a redesign. Shasvastii are supposed to be getting a range overhaul and game mechanics, they're purportedly happy with the aesthetic for the most part(aside from the 'pistol bracelets').

Morat redesign/resculpts were necessary. They looked like cartoon space monkeys before.
CB always leaves a few profiles for later. Dropping ALL profiles for a sectorial within a few months means interest will peak soon thereafter & never recover.
There's a method to their madness here.


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 Micky wrote:
They do manage to look very "sneaky alien scumbags" with their current design, and that's a good thing to hold onto.

They really are sneaky little slimy bastards. Though a few sculpts are downright awful

 Bladerunner2019 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
Hard to believe it since they say the want to make a Morat revamp to Shasvastii.

You mean the Morat revamp that left Rasyats alone(to the point of we're just seeing redesigns for them now), did very little to the design of the Vanguard(aside from 'biggerizing' them), and a few other things?

Yeah. That was such a revamp...that really amounted to resculpts not a redesign. Shasvastii are supposed to be getting a range overhaul and game mechanics, they're purportedly happy with the aesthetic for the most part(aside from the 'pistol bracelets').

Morat redesign/resculpts were necessary. They looked like cartoon space monkeys before.
CB always leaves a few profiles for later. Dropping ALL profiles for a sectorial within a few months means interest will peak soon thereafter & never recover.
There's a method to their madness here.

Yeah, it's called they stopped being interested in the project.

Look, it's one thing when they stop work for a few months in between to make sure everything else gets a fair crack at releases. Like I said, the Morat redesign left basically just Rasyats and Hungries alone. The point of them revamping these Sectorials was, according to their own words at the time, do the design work ahead of the models. Nobody expected the whole range to get updated overnight(although it would have been the smart move, IMO, to get as much of it done as possible so that people could have at least one new iteration of each unit) but at the very least they expected to see an idea of what the unit would look like in its new incarnation.

Them having dossiers for a unit done years in advance doesn't mean that they have to drop a model soon.

Additionally, since we don't have anything but their own 'spin' on how to gauge sales figures on for how interest peaks and never recovers...I'm a bit skeptical of the claim surrounding that idea. I've, personally, noticed that the opposite seems to be true: the longer it takes for a given sectorial to get models the less interest there is in the sectorial and Infinity in general.

Agreed!

At least that's been my experience, personally!

 Kanluwen wrote:
Like I said, the Morat redesign left basically just Rasyats and Hungries alone.

Well no.

The Morat redesign left Rasyats and Hungries alone, but also didn't touch Yaogats until two years later, only got around to Kurgats this year, still hasn't done anything with Zerats and won't be touching the Raicho till at least later this year. Thats over 1/3rd of the Morat units. My point is that redesigns don't happen all at once. There's never been an example of that in Infinity. There's no sectorial that ever received a full redesign. They happen gradually over the course of years. As we've seen with Morats. As we've seen with Corrigidor. As we've seen with Military Orders. As we're seeing with JSA. There's several good reasons for this, many which have already been explained to you and many which CB themselves have explained to us in the past.

 jake wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Like I said, the Morat redesign left basically just Rasyats and Hungries alone.

Well no.

The Morat redesign left Rasyats and Hungries alone, but also didn't touch Yaogats until two years later, only got around to Kurgats this year, still hasn't done anything with Zerats and won't be touching the Raicho till at least later this year. Thats over 1/3rd of the Morat units. My point is that redesigns don't happen all at once. There's never been an example of that in Infinity. There's no sectorial that ever received a full redesign. They happen gradually over the course of years. As we've seen with Morats. As we've seen with Corrigidor. As we've seen with Military Orders. As we're seeing with JSA. There's several good reasons for this, many which have already been explained to you and many which CB themselves have explained to us in the past.

Nothing wrong with eagerly anticipating new releases. I wouldn’t stay interested in playing a faction if new releases stopped entirely because all the profiles have minis. It’s one of the reasons I started collecting infinity.

And really, I like having older less impressive models in my collection.

 jake wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Like I said, the Morat redesign left basically just Rasyats and Hungries alone.

Well no.

The Morat redesign left Rasyats and Hungries alone, but also didn't touch Yaogats until two years later, only got around to Kurgats this year, still hasn't done anything with Zerats and won't be touching the Raicho till at least later this year. Thats over 1/3rd of the Morat units. My point is that redesigns don't happen all at once. There's never been an example of that in Infinity. There's no sectorial that ever received a full redesign. They happen gradually over the course of years. As we've seen with Morats. As we've seen with Corrigidor. As we've seen with Military Orders. As we're seeing with JSA. There's several good reasons for this, many which have already been explained to you and many which CB themselves have explained to us in the past.

Kurgats, Zerats, and Raicho were all considered acceptable/"in theme" at the time according to Bostria. Yaogats were supposedly going to get a role redesign similar to the Suryats.

Corregidor had a huge chunk of its range completely overhauled at once, complete with some new units(Wildcats and Geckos) until certain key units like Mobile Brigada and Alguaciles were called out publicly as being part of a revised Nomad starter and as such would be held until then. Once that happened, we started seeing designs dry up for CJC.
Military Orders was never said to be getting a full range revamp, just "key units notably Joan and her Death Star".


Additionally, the "many reasons" have never been publicly explained to an acceptable standard. It just all gets vague and they talk about sales figures while ignoring people who outright say things like "I won't buy X or Y until it's resculpted to match the range--will X or Y be resculpted to match the range anytime soon?"

 Kanluwen wrote:

Kurgats, Zerats, and Raicho were all considered acceptable/"in theme" at the time according to Bostria. Yaogats were supposedly going to get a role redesign similar to the Suryats.

Corregidor had a huge chunk of its range completely overhauled at once, complete with some new units(Wildcats and Geckos) until certain key units like Mobile Brigada and Alguaciles were called out publicly as being part of a revised Nomad starter and as such would be held until then. Once that happened, we started seeing designs dry up for CJC.
Military Orders was never said to be getting a full range revamp, just "key units notably Joan and her Death Star".

Yes, as I said. Redesigns don't happen at once. They happen over time. The things you've listed are examples of that.

 Kanluwen wrote:



Additionally, the "many reasons" have never been publicly explained to an acceptable standard. It just all gets vague and they talk about sales figures while ignoring people who outright say things like "I won't buy X or Y until it's resculpted to match the range--will X or Y be resculpted to match the range anytime soon?"

Yes, the have been explained several time. Both by CB and by people in this and other threads specifically addressing you. And yes, it has been to an acceptable standard. Theres no mystery here. You just don't like the answers.

 jake wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Kurgats, Zerats, and Raicho were all considered acceptable/"in theme" at the time according to Bostria. Yaogats were supposedly going to get a role redesign similar to the Suryats.

Corregidor had a huge chunk of its range completely overhauled at once, complete with some new units(Wildcats and Geckos) until certain key units like Mobile Brigada and Alguaciles were called out publicly as being part of a revised Nomad starter and as such would be held until then. Once that happened, we started seeing designs dry up for CJC.
Military Orders was never said to be getting a full range revamp, just "key units notably Joan and her Death Star".

Yes, as I said. Redesigns don't happen at once. They happen over time. The things you've listed are examples of that.

No, your claim is that it took them this long to redesign them.

That goes directly against the idea of them being "considered acceptable/'in theme' at the time".

 Kanluwen wrote:



Additionally, the "many reasons" have never been publicly explained to an acceptable standard. It just all gets vague and they talk about sales figures while ignoring people who outright say things like "I won't buy X or Y until it's resculpted to match the range--will X or Y be resculpted to match the range anytime soon?"

Yes, the have been explained several time. Both by CB and by people in this and other threads specifically addressing you. And yes, it has been to an acceptable standard. Theres no mystery here. You just don't like the answers.

Sure, I "just don't like the answers" when they don't actually answer anything.

This particular branch of the conversation would be better served by having its own thread in the appropriate sub-forum rather than here in N&R. Thanks!

Oh foo, Manchu. Such a killjoy, you.

Has anyone heard news or rumors about the sales of the the JSA box and Uprising book at Adepticon? I note a silence, a remarkable silence, about that. I would have thought there would be some discussion of the story in Uprising.

 Red Harvest wrote:

Has anyone heard news or rumors about the sales of the the JSA box and Uprising book at Adepticon? I note a silence, a remarkable silence, about that. I would have thought there would be some discussion of the story in Uprising.

I doubt you'll see much about it honestly, on the official Infinity forums they've got a policy of banning anyone who posts fluff too in-depth.

Regarding the sales...eh. Who knows. They probably sold out but who knows exact numbers or the like.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Red Harvest wrote:

Has anyone heard news or rumors about the sales of the the JSA box and Uprising book at Adepticon? I note a silence, a remarkable silence, about that. I would have thought there would be some discussion of the story in Uprising.

I doubt you'll see much about it honestly, on the official Infinity forums they've got a policy of banning anyone who posts fluff too in-depth.

Regarding the sales...eh. Who knows. They probably sold out but who knows exact numbers or the like.

Not surprised really. I think/feel JSA have effectively been written off for some time. Not nearly as much excitement swirling around them compared to USARF.
Really, how many players will get this book if they don’t play JSA or have been pining away for merc lists? That’s not a big segment of the infinity community.

 Bladerunner2019 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Red Harvest wrote:

Has anyone heard news or rumors about the sales of the the JSA box and Uprising book at Adepticon? I note a silence, a remarkable silence, about that. I would have thought there would be some discussion of the story in Uprising.

I doubt you'll see much about it honestly, on the official Infinity forums they've got a policy of banning anyone who posts fluff too in-depth.

Regarding the sales...eh. Who knows. They probably sold out but who knows exact numbers or the like.

Not surprised really. I think/feel JSA have effectively been written off for some time. Not nearly as much excitement swirling around them compared to USARF.

Much of that is because of the way it was handled, not because of a lack of excitement. If this had been handled better, the excitement would probably be on par with Deepkin for AoS.

Really, how many players will get this book if they don’t play JSA or have been pining away for merc lists? That’s not a big segment of the infinity community.

Mercs have been something that were long wanted. Druze were a Big Deal in people's wishlisting.

I got it for mercs and the jsa stuff is a bonus as I quite liked the faction when I first got into the game.

But between the godawful yu jing fluff and models that looked pretty dated even 7 years ago i went nomad instead.

As for USardinina stuff being more exciting 100% anecdotal but that might be because your in the US and you yanks love to play as the US

Locally once you take out the admittedly awesome marine werewolf the are consider on of the blander more boring forces in infinity. I am the only ardinian player in my area and I mostly got them because werewolves rock and deep discount on the army box.

The funny part is USARF was purportedly just as popular in Europe and the UK as it was in the US...at least until it took almost three years for the dang Blackjacks, a lynchpin unit for the Sectorial to see a release.

 Kanluwen wrote:
The funny part is USARF was purportedly just as popular in Europe and the UK as it was in the US...at least until it took almost three years for the dang Blackjacks, a lynchpin unit for the Sectorial to see a release.

Yeah what's that Dakka quip about Mantic that seems appropriate........ahh yeah Corvus Belli "almost"

If it's not a puzzling release schedule setup by a squirrel with ADD, pricing that would make Kirby era GW blush, staff trolling or patronising customers then it's random institutionalised racism

Love the game but struggle with CB sometimes I know there not Prodos but somthing about certain aspects of the company and staff make me uneasy at times about giving them money.

Yeah, a large part of USAriadna excitement was indeed "YAY US IN INFINITY!"

But, there's also a lot of crossover between Infinity and anime fans. A lot of the excitement on Dakka has been quelled by some very vocal Yu-Jing players who are upset about losing units. Rightly so and perfectly justified, but it certainly put a large damper on the excitement level here on Dakka, much moreso than I've seen on Facebook or locally. Heck, literally half of my regular Infinity group is either planning on buying into JSA or is actively avoiding it even though they want to buy JSA just because so many of the group are starting JSA. Both our Yu Jing players are super excited (one already primarily played JSA), I'm super excited and am going to buy it once it hits general release. Our event organizer had a friend already buy him a box at Adepticon, only to begrudgingly turn around and sell it to a brand new player to getting into the game, he's still planning on rebuying it once it hits general release. 2 other local players want to but are holding off because we already have so many jumping onboard

So yeah, I think JSA is going to be a big hit, even though the Yu-Jing side of it was handled poorly

 Kalamadea wrote:
Yeah, a large part of USAriadna excitement was indeed "YAY US IN INFINITY!"

But, there's also a lot of crossover between Infinity and anime fans. A lot of the excitement on Dakka has been quelled by some very vocal Yu-Jing players who are upset about losing units. Rightly so and perfectly justified, but it certainly put a large damper on the excitement level here on Dakka, much moreso than I've seen on Facebook or locally. Heck, literally half of my regular Infinity group is either planning on buying into JSA or is actively avoiding it even though they want to buy JSA just because so many of the group are starting JSA. Both our Yu Jing players are super excited (one already primarily played JSA), I'm super excited and am going to buy it once it hits general release. Our event organizer had a friend already buy him a box at Adepticon, only to begrudgingly turn around and sell it to a brand new player to getting into the game, he's still planning on rebuying it once it hits general release. 2 other local players want to but are holding off because we already have so many jumping onboard

So yeah, I think JSA is going to be a big hit, even though the Yu-Jing side of it was handled poorly

It's worth mentioning that quite a few of the Facebook groups are very heavily moderated to the point of basically being the Official Forums mk2.

Is anyone else rather underwhelmed by the kuroshi rider?
Yojimbo does most things much better for 2/3 of the cost.
Are we really that desperate for a MOV 8-6 mobile specialist?

She's a template delivery system that can also push a button, and a 0 SWC lt option that you don't mind spending orders on 'cus you've actually got CoC on a worthwhile (read non-AD!!!!) unit.

I think they'd be great together. She's an obvious LT that you don't mind being an obvious LT. You start with Yojimbo impetuous move up and lay smoke, covering her to move up into smoke. He spends his irregular order to launch some more indirect smoke, she spends a LT order to move up and push a button or rush out and flame something, she still has her regular order to act again or he can use it to move and nanopulse somehting or CC something or set up a koala. 54 points for a NWI and a dogged bike, plus a kempeitei to take over for her inevitable gory demise. Sounds like a lot of fun, actually

Outside of wanting to win and stuff like that, I don't really know why I'd run a JSA list that didn't run max AVA on the bikes.

Is the Uprising book the first in a new strategy for CB?
Are they going to move the story forward in this manner?

Haven’t read many spoilers. Is this the most recent event in the infinity universe?
IIRC like we left off with the gak about to hit the fan on Paradiso, and that was some time ago now... Is the JSA secession happening in parallel?

I read somewhere that they were considering shorter books, so they could reduce the time between book releases. The "Uprising" book is possibly fruit of that idea.

Well see if it’s successful if we get the book with the aligned sectorials next year or 2020.

My money is 2020 because something will ‘come up’ preventing its release next year.