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I'm not actually convinced we won't see another book this year (or maybe this time next year). They're releasing 4 more sectorial armies this year. They've never released an army without a book. 4 armies is what we saw in Uprising. I know everyone is expecting those big releases on the schedule to be army boxes/starters/Operation boxes, but I think theres a chance the last one of the year might be a book + army box like we saw with Uprising.

Uprising is because they need a book this year - otherwise it'll be a 3 year gap to the next box which would be pretty disastrous. It's hard to maintain a playerbase on resculpts. I'll be utterly shocked if we get the next book this gencon - especially if it's correct that we're getting another 2 player starter this gencon.

The sectorials 'releasing' this year are very likely not going to have army lists until the book next year, and at best something like USAriadna or Druzes skeleton lists. Doing some miniature releases this year with profiles releasing as the models are released, then some skeleton lists for some of the more ready lists around December/January for an Adepticon/gencon book release next year is the most likely event. It's exactly what they did with USAriadna and Druze.

Unless CB change their minds again.

So, those Tunguska Hollow Men, they're robots, right? Are they supposed to be remote presence units, like the Su Jian, or are they actually straight up robots like the Garudas?

Hollow men have "Brains in Jars".

Not 100% confirmed but I have the feeling the Brains are not in the robot body and Rem Pres will be the thing.

The "Jars" are in a safe vaults inside the banks of Tunguska ensuring their safety and loyalty.

 Vain wrote:
Hollow men have "Brains in Jars".

Not 100% confirmed but I have the feeling the Brains are not in the robot body and Rem Pres will be the thing.

It actually was confirmed. The Tunguskan banks own the bodies and the brains are kept separate from them so their loyalty can be ensured.

 -Loki- wrote:
Uprising is because they need a book this year - otherwise it'll be a 3 year gap to the next box which would be pretty disastrous. It's hard to maintain a playerbase on resculpts. I'll be utterly shocked if we get the next book this gencon - especially if it's correct that we're getting another 2 player starter this gencon.

The sectorials 'releasing' this year are very likely not going to have army lists until the book next year, and at best something like USAriadna or Druzes skeleton lists. Doing some miniature releases this year with profiles releasing as the models are released, then some skeleton lists for some of the more ready lists around December/January for an Adepticon/gencon book release next year is the most likely event. It's exactly what they did with USAriadna and Druze.

Unless CB change their minds again.

There is no way they will release a starter without an army list. The TSF sectorial lists will show up on the army builder at the same time. CB has always provided more army list detail than models to represent it. Hence all the proxy rules.

Bostria said in the seminar that when the models are released the sectorial will be up on the army builder, like Druze last year, and JSA. The Uprising book doesn’t even have the profiles in it.

 ImAGeek wrote:
Bostria said in the seminar that when the models are released the sectorial will be up on the army builder, like Druze last year, and JSA. The Uprising book doesn’t even have the profiles in it.

Yeah ... idk where he got that from. Since they absorbed the army builder there have been no issues.

Saw some nonsense on FB that they confirmed Veruna & Vedic at CanCon. Looked more like wishful thinking to me...

Any confirmation on that?

 ImAGeek wrote:
Bostria said in the seminar that when the models are released the sectorial will be up on the army builder, like Druze last year, and JSA. The Uprising book doesn’t even have the profiles in it.

Druze last year were a quarter or so of what we're getting now.


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 Bladerunner2019 wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Bostria said in the seminar that when the models are released the sectorial will be up on the army builder, like Druze last year, and JSA. The Uprising book doesn’t even have the profiles in it.

Yeah ... idk where he got that from. Since they absorbed the army builder there have been no issues.

Saw some nonsense on FB that they confirmed Veruna & Vedic at CanCon. Looked more like wishful thinking to me...

Any confirmation on that?

It's more or less "READ BETWEEN THE LINES SHEEPLE!" styled stuff.

It's like how people are using the picture of the Irmandinho 'fighting' the Garuda Tactbot from the February releases as "proof" of a TAK vs Vedic box since "why else would those two models be pictured together?!" while ignoring that February's releases had two boxes, two repacks of 2 models each, and a new two model set in the form of Bit & KISS...which wouldn't work since the Garuda is fairly big for a S2 model.

No confirmation on anything except Tunguska is next and when the starter hits the stores the army will be updated to include the sectorial.

The Tunguska sectorial box set does look a little odd. I work it out at about 155 points, which is 25 more than most starter sets.

 master of ordinance wrote:
The Tunguska sectorial box set does look a little odd. I work it out at about 155 points, which is 25 more than most starter sets.

The starters are not a standard value. The NCA one is like 225 points or something, for instance.

 master of ordinance wrote:
The Tunguska sectorial box set does look a little odd. I work it out at about 155 points, which is 25 more than most starter sets.

Securitate look to be dropping massively in points(likely losing their Repeater, Sixth Sense[something that would have been weird for a Linkable unit], and definitely losing the Light Shotguns from their Combi Rifles) and the other units(Heckler, Hollow Man, and the KB with Spitfire) don't even have profiles publicly available yet.

Also, as I've pointed out in the past and ImAGeek just pointed out "The starters are not a standard value". There's a point most tend to float around but there's definitely exceptions to the rules.

I'm, personally, expecting this starter to clock in around 140-150 pts or so.

The starters are not standard points or designed to be standard points more a 6 minis that give you a good indication were the faction/ sectorial plays and add a blister or box or both to get to 200 points.

I hope the securitate keep repeater for all profiles. .
For a sectorial famous for its hacking prowess, putting repeaters on line infantry makes sense fluff wise.
The dossiers certainly look line they're carrying more than a rifle and their wits into battle.

While it is interesting to have repeaters all over the place, it will be counter productive if Securitate become a link team.

 Bladerunner2019 wrote:

There is no way they will release a starter without an army list. The TSF sectorial lists will show up on the army builder at the same time. CB has always provided more army list detail than models to represent it. Hence all the proxy rules.

The industry has largely completely abandoned relying on book releases as the primary source of model rules. CB is certainly no exception here.

 Bladerunner2019 wrote:
I hope the securitate keep repeater for all profiles. .
For a sectorial famous for its hacking prowess, putting repeaters on line infantry makes sense fluff wise.
The dossiers certainly look line they're carrying more than a rifle and their wits into battle.

I don't expect Securitate to keep their Repeaters because it looks like Pitchers are going to be fairly common in the Sectorial and given how Killer Hacking Devices exist now... I just don't see it working now.

We saw that the Hollow Men have a MULTI Rifle+Pitcher that will be in the starter set.

I worked out the points for the Hollow Man and Heckler based on how they looked to comparable units, and how I reckon they will perform, and I dropped the Securitate down to 11 points each (far more reasonable than 23 points).
Overall though I was just curious as the other two starter boxes for the Nomads seem to be about 125 points each.

 master of ordinance wrote:
I worked out the points for the Hollow Man and Heckler based on how they looked to comparable units, and how I reckon they will perform, and I dropped the Securitate down to 11 points each (far more reasonable than 23 points).
Overall though I was just curious as the other two starter boxes for the Nomads seem to be about 125 points each.

How can you try to say you pointed them out based on how they looked to comparable units when we have basically no indications as to what they have? We know the Hollow Man will have a Multi Rifle with a Pitcher and we know the Heckler will have a Combi Rifle. Beyond that...
You don't know if anybody is Irregular, you don't know if anybody is Warband, you don't know if they have NWI, Religious, etc. You don't know if any of them have BTS or STR or W or ARM or anything statwise.
There's a lot that goes into pointing out Infinity models to make it so that there really is no reliable way to say "X will be <Insert Points Here> based upon the formula!".

I mean literally you can point at NCA Bolts and be done with this whole argument. CB for whatever stupid reason thinks they're "appropriately costed" at 25(3 points more than a non-Drop Bear profile) ppm with a Combi Rifle+Light Shotgun and 3 deployable/throwable mines that don't have Camo.

I largely expect Hollow Men to be a rework of the Securiate with the latter getting reworked into something new.

 LunarSol wrote:
I largely expect Hollow Men to be a rework of the Securiate with the latter getting reworked into something new.

I think that would be a bit underwhelming to be honest.

I'd look at the Charontids or Anathematics as examples of what to expect.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:
I largely expect Hollow Men to be a rework of the Securiate with the latter getting reworked into something new.

I think that would be a bit underwhelming to be honest.

I'd look at the Charontids or Anathematics as examples of what to expect.

What in particular has lead you to believe they’ll be like the Charontid or Anethematics? I mean I guess they might be but that idea had not entered my head at all.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:
I largely expect Hollow Men to be a rework of the Securiate with the latter getting reworked into something new.

I think that would be a bit underwhelming to be honest.

I'd look at the Charontids or Anathematics as examples of what to expect.

What in particular has lead you to believe they’ll be like the Charontid or Anethematics? I mean I guess they might be but that idea had not entered my head at all.

Their dossier, actually.

The parts we have confirmed so far about them(They have Structure instead of Wounds, MR+Pitcher, Spitfire, Combi Rifle) and parts we have semi-confirmed(Holoprojectors instead of TO Camo) make them a bit different to Charontids or Anathematics, but I look at the Hollow Men as more/less being "classed" to be a similar role and points bracket.

Their gig would be to be effectively a 'heavy skirmisher'.

They sound like they will be similar to Su Jian or a beefier unidron. I'd bet it has super jump and a lot of MOV.

 Bladerunner2019 wrote:
Is the Uprising book the first in a new strategy for CB?
Are they going to move the story forward in this manner?

Seems so, especially considering Uprising is 100% fluff and missions, no new rules or profiles (those are just released on the website)


As for Hollow Men... kinda thinking maybe something like ghetto Posthuman proxies. But just being fast MI/HI with Ghost would be fine too.

Tactical Rock profiles for anyone who wants: https://assets.infinitythegame.net/downloads/TacticalRocks/TacticalRocks.pdf

Something I would have expected on 28 December. O' the ever expanding influence of the Anglo-Saxon Sphere. Sadly, there is no Rock-y Balboa profile.

Ah the Banhammer has fallen on:
PanOceanía: Lieutenant Stephen Rao, Bagh Mari Unit
Yu Jing: Guǐ Fēng Xi Zhuang
Ariadna: Col. Yevgueni Voronin.
Haqqislam: Tarik Mansuri
Nómadas: Reverend Superior Cassandra Kusanagi
ALEPH: Andromeda

No longer ITS legal, until further notice. Still available for any other play. Those of you with Red Veil +Beyond Red Veil Haqq armies will need to buy another 55 points of minis to have 300 point lists if you want to play in an ITS league or tournament.

Bummer, eh?

CB is going all in on the super fun 'stopping people from using their models' community enhancement technique.

It is a temporary ban they will come back later in the ITS season, a bit changed.