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Sweet mama, funny video with great content! Damn why can't I preorder already!

Bostria is officially *Brand Ambassador now*? Does he get Diplomatic Immunity? ^^)

You,re going to have to wait a few more weeks Modock, 5-6 maybe. I wonder just how well the Tunguska will sell. No doubt it will sell. No doubt at all.

I think It will sell shietloads, reading comments about Tunguska I can tell peeps are very excited for the sectorial.
I don't think I've seen anyone saying how crappy or lame they look. They nailed it perfectly with the design and style.

I've basically been sold on it since the Beyond set with the Sally resculpt pulling me from a casual interest in multiple factions to all in all Nomads. Trying to get my painting queue cleared to where I can have a good selection for all 4 Nomad sectorials.

 LunarSol wrote:
all 4 Nomad sectorials.

Four? I thought Black Hand was basically being rolled up into Tunguska. The sectorials are Tunguska, Criminaldoor, and the Furries. Is there another?

StarCo. Even in the fluff it’s basically only not classified as Nomads for deniability purposes.

 Red Harvest wrote:
Bostria is officially *Brand Ambassador now*? Does he get Diplomatic Immunity? ^^)

You,re going to have to wait a few more weeks Modock, 5-6 maybe. I wonder just how well the Tunguska will sell. No doubt it will sell. No doubt at all.

I already want two boxes. That Heckler is balllllllllllllllllllllin'.

I've been away from the internets for most of the day so this was nice to come home to.


"Man...that thing should have gone off by now?"

Huh, this is bad. I already have more painted Nomads than I do painted models for all my other factions combined.

StarCo looks like it'll be great fun once I get the non-nomads units. I'm kicking myself for bits ordering just Uhahu and Nakadai from Shae Konnit, now I need an Emily Handelman badly :( I'm super tempted to proxy her for this weekend's tournament and throw her in a Riot Grrls link to rain down EM grenades on the Joan/DeFerson pain train. It's too bad Senior Massacre didn't keep his Haris profile, a 4Grrls+Emily core with a 2Brigada+Massacre would be MUCH better than a Brigada core and Grrls Haris

And now Tonguska is looking REALLY amazing and threatening to distract me from finishing StarCo before it even begins, let alone the JSA box. At some point I probably need to reevaluate my "I'm a PanO main" status.

Emily definitely seems like the titular Star of the list. It's kind of unfortunate that there are so many competing Core fireteams, because Massacre would definitely fit better in a Haris (alternatively, Brigada could be not terrible I suppose).

The one thing you need to be careful of with Riot Grrls is their lack of Core as a base rule. Without Avicenna or Emily or the Harris model on the board, you can't reform the link if its breaks and have to deal with Frenzy.

 Kanluwen wrote:

"Man...that thing should have gone off by now?"

More like “These aren’t the remotes you’re looking for.”

Well that HEckler's proxying as my second Guilang.

Been waiting for Tunguska for a long time now - looks like it's been worth the wait!

The Heckler and the Hollowman definitely make me want to get this set. Between the Heckler's coat and helmet design, he's kind of reminding me of a Zayedan though.

 Barzam wrote:
The Heckler and the Hollowman definitely make me want to get this set. Between the Heckler's coat and helmet design, he's kind of reminding me of a Zayedan though.

Reminds me of Titanfall 2's "heavy" skin that we saw. Just needs a little arm doohickey next to him for Thermooptic Camo and baboom, I've got my Cloak Pilot!

He looks a lot like a Destiny Warlock to me,

 jake wrote:
He looks a lot like a Destiny Warlock to me,

YES! I was wondering why it looked familiar.

Either way, great model. I may have to grab some of these just for painting and proxying as other things (or maybe just expand my neglected Nomads ).

New tournament packet available here https://assets.infinitythegame.net/downloads/its-event/treason/en/v1.0/treason.pdf

The mission statements read more like they are for regular military missions, not spec ops/black ops. They are a few more things too. :(

We cannot see those painted Tunguskanesianites soon enough, eh?

So CB read all the backlash about Stupid Evil Yu Jing in Uprising and the dislike of psychoCrane and his radical anti-insurrection "techniques" and thought "time to release some CBL's to represent a unit specialized in ethnic cleansing!"

When people balked at that... they then released the ethnic cleansing tournament scenario pack.



CB, I get that you wanted ISS to be Scary PRC Yellow Peril in Space in your game that includes a humanist theocracy that is 100% cool with scientific research (is this a fantasy game?) alongside a hyper-capitalist state that never tore itself apart due to gross income inequality... but can you stop making my faction literal nazis?

Thanks!

Man, Tunguska sure are looking nice... though I am afraid the moving to a new faction will mean that it suddenly grows a mean-streak ten miles wide and then fractures in half the next time I wonder about upcoming resculpts. So in the interest of not ruing anyone's day, I think I'll probably just stop giving money to CB for the time being.

I was rather taken aback they've chosen this tone to go with.

This was prepared in advance, probably at the same time as the uprising announcement. I'm certain.

It's this year's TAGline equivalent. The format poses interesting choices. The background is not universally liked. Ahem.

And I just finished painting my 10 Yu Jing from Red Veil and Beyond. Bah! See my gallery for the family shot.

Yes, they could be more orange.

I'm a fan of orange (though it is no purple and green!), and your stuff looks great, as it always does!

Anyway, this is a rather...interesting direction they've decided to take things.

I'm not sure I understand CB at times, especially recently...

 Ronin_eX wrote:

Man, Tunguska sure are looking nice... though I am afraid the moving to a new faction will mean that it suddenly grows a mean-streak ten miles wide and then fractures in half the next time I wonder about upcoming resculpts. So in the interest of not ruing anyone's day, I think I'll probably just stop giving money to CB for the time being.

If there's a Nomad ship with a mean streak, its Tunguska....

 Ronin_eX wrote:
So CB read all the backlash about Stupid Evil Yu Jing in Uprising and the dislike of psychoCrane and his radical anti-insurrection "techniques" and thought "time to release some CBL's to represent a unit specialized in ethnic cleansing!"

When people balked at that... they then released the ethnic cleansing tournament scenario pack.



CB, I get that you wanted ISS to be Scary PRC Yellow Peril in Space in your game that includes a humanist theocracy that is 100% cool with scientific research (is this a fantasy game?) alongside a hyper-capitalist state that never tore itself apart due to gross income inequality... but can you stop making my faction literal nazis?

Thanks!

Man, Tunguska sure are looking nice... though I am afraid the moving to a new faction will mean that it suddenly grows a mean-streak ten miles wide and then fractures in half the next time I wonder about upcoming resculpts. So in the interest of not ruing anyone's day, I think I'll probably just stop giving money to CB for the time being.

I don’t have my copy of uprising yet, but check me if I’m wrong here: Yu Jing were always brutal despots with plenty of fascist tendencies.

I kinda got that feel from the secret police units, the dehumanized under class status of the Japanese, the lobotomized political prisoners, the nostalgic social patterning of an Iron Age empire complete with puppet Sun Tzu...
They have always been a loathesome lot.

What new development made them literal nazis?
Unless they’re sporting that exact right facing tilted swastika now, invading Poland, etc what is the specific connection? We’re not getting a Hitler aleph recreation are we?

 LunarSol wrote:

 Ronin_eX wrote:

Man, Tunguska sure are looking nice... though I am afraid the moving to a new faction will mean that it suddenly grows a mean-streak ten miles wide and then fractures in half the next time I wonder about upcoming resculpts. So in the interest of not ruing anyone's day, I think I'll probably just stop giving money to CB for the time being.

If there's a Nomad ship with a mean streak, its Tunguska....

Not really.

Corregidor is the "ship with a mean streak", if ever you read about the Helicon Revolt.

 Bladerunner2019 wrote:
I don’t have my copy of uprising yet, but check me if I’m wrong here: Yu Jing were always brutal despots with plenty of fascist tendencies.

Really depends on when you started them. When I started playing Yu Jing, there was no such thing as a sectorial, most of the factions were portrayed as morally grey with most factions having some skeletons in their closet. Yu Jing had Wu Ming (which fit pretty well with the Confucian leanings), an off-hand comment about the tensions between the StateEmpire and the Japanese (this was largely unquantified, and even after the Uprising it remains a sort of vague comment that could mean anything from Japan being akin to Yu Jing's version of Puerto Rico on up), and the background about the Qingdao Report (which also sets Yu Jing up as competent, but I digress).

In 1st Edition, you could make the argument that Yu Jing were a darker shade of grey and definitely more collectivist than the other factions. But it lacked almost all of the bits that would make them what they've become today.

I kinda got that feel from the secret police units, the dehumanized under class status of the Japanese, the lobotomized political prisoners, the nostalgic social patterning of an Iron Age empire complete with puppet Sun Tzu...
They have always been a loathesome lot.

This is one place where making the first two sectorials Imperial Service and Japanese have kind of tainted the writing going further. For the last 9 years, the actual StateEmpire forces have been basically sitting on the backburner while CB have harped on about and expanded the darkest bits of Yu Jing's background. Imagine for a second if PanO's first factions were Varuna and, oh, I guess some Helot Slave army run by the Hexahedron or something (or hell, if the Hexahedron was a full sectorial instead of just a single profile). How do you think that would change perception of the setting's golden boys? Well, that is basically what Yu Jing got saddled with, and even at the time it was a bit of a departure from their previous background.

The Imperial Service itself owes more to Judge Dredd than it does to more in-tune sources like Judge Dee or even Hong Action films like Police Story or Hardboiled. The worst bit was probably how far Kuang Shi shifted them in to blatantly evil territory (whereas Wu Ming, troops who would otherwise be executed for their violent crimes, seemed bad but were generally no worse than other shady units in other factions).

Make no mistake, when Human Sphere dropped, it was a definite shift for Yu Jing and not just more of the same. Yu Jing were not always jack-booted thugs, people bombs, and wall-to-wall Japanese troops sent to the meat grinder. This is where complaints about continued flanderization of Yu Jing have come in. Because it has only been getting worse and worse since Human Sphere and it continues to be the overt focus.

What new development made them literal nazis?
Unless they’re sporting that exact right facing tilted swastika now, invading Poland, etc what is the specific connection? We’re not getting a Hitler aleph recreation are we?

Oh, I guess probably the new line they've crossed with the literal ethnic cleansing. As bad as the ISS were before they were generally more subtle in their ruthlessness. But between televised mass graves, flooding entire cities on purpose, and now having a specialized division for slaughtering Japanese people (not just military assets, people) there has been a very obvious shift that goes way past even the low point represented by Kuang Shi. Hell, they even have their own Japanese concentration camp/region now!

I mean, evil going down in a whole game about clandestine black ops is fine. It is what the game is about. But Uprising basically shows Yu Jing devolving from competent and ruthless (the Quingdao Report) to perpetrating overt war crimes against a specific race/ethnicity and not even bothering to cover it up. At least in Human Sphere, things like the Kuang Shi are a deep dark secret and used as deniable assets in black ops. It is something else entirely to have a non-secret unit known as the Butchers of Motobushima that have a reputation of targeted aggression and extermination of a specific ethnicity.

Basically, I've seen Yu Jing go from a slightly ruthless foil of PanO, to a scary authoritarian state with deep-dark secrets, to being the obvious human villain faction. It is not a change I've liked and it is an evolution that I wish had stopped much earlier.

In a game where equally unlikely types of government are largely handled in an idealistic and utopian way, having Yu Jing look like an alarmist critique of the current PRC honestly just feels at odds with the rest of the setting at this point. It would be like PanO being written up with a massive income disparity and huge quality of life gap between lower and upper classes (and no middle class since income disparity tends to kill that off quickly) because that's what a hyper-capitalist government would probably result in given known trends. Or if Haqqislam were written as a critique of various extremist Islamic regimes instead of being an idealized version of the Islamic Golden Age.

Yu Jing, too often, gets written as a somewhat topical, mostly alarmist version of China as it exists today with most of the pan-Asian super-collective bits it was initially billed as largely ignored (seriously, we have next to no background on the non-Chinese and non-Japanese parts of the faction; even the oddly white-bread, european-heavy PanO at least pays lip service to their diverse founding cultures) while they dig down in to the evil authoritarian space (as well as giving us yet another space-samurai version of Japan...).

 Kanluwen wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:

 Ronin_eX wrote:

Man, Tunguska sure are looking nice... though I am afraid the moving to a new faction will mean that it suddenly grows a mean-streak ten miles wide and then fractures in half the next time I wonder about upcoming resculpts. So in the interest of not ruing anyone's day, I think I'll probably just stop giving money to CB for the time being.

If there's a Nomad ship with a mean streak, its Tunguska....

Not really.

Corregidor is the "ship with a mean streak", if ever you read about the Helicon Revolt.

Corregidor comes across as aggressive and violent, but not really systematically evil. Armed and dangerous? Sure, not the kind of evil Tunguska could become.

 LunarSol wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:

 Ronin_eX wrote:

Man, Tunguska sure are looking nice... though I am afraid the moving to a new faction will mean that it suddenly grows a mean-streak ten miles wide and then fractures in half the next time I wonder about upcoming resculpts. So in the interest of not ruing anyone's day, I think I'll probably just stop giving money to CB for the time being.

If there's a Nomad ship with a mean streak, its Tunguska....

Not really.

Corregidor is the "ship with a mean streak", if ever you read about the Helicon Revolt.

Corregidor comes across as aggressive and violent, but not really systematically evil. Armed and dangerous? Sure, not the kind of evil Tunguska could become.

We haven't really gotten anything about Tunguska that comes across as "evil", or for that matter with regards to the Nomads in general.

We have more on PanO to make them "evil" than we do Nomads to be honest.

 Ronin_eX wrote:

 Bladerunner2019 wrote:
I don’t have my copy of uprising yet, but check me if I’m wrong here: Yu Jing were always brutal despots with plenty of fascist tendencies.

Really depends on when you started them. When I started playing Yu Jing, there was no such thing as a sectorial, most of the factions were portrayed as morally grey with most factions having some skeletons in their closet. Yu Jing had Wu Ming (which fit pretty well with the Confucian leanings), an off-hand comment about the tensions between the StateEmpire and the Japanese (this was largely unquantified, and even after the Uprising it remains a sort of vague comment that could mean anything from Japan being akin to Yu Jing's version of Puerto Rico on up), and the background about the Qingdao Report (which also sets Yu Jing up as competent, but I digress).

In 1st Edition, you could make the argument that Yu Jing were a darker shade of grey and definitely more collectivist than the other factions. But it lacked almost all of the bits that would make them what they've become today.

I kinda got that feel from the secret police units, the dehumanized under class status of the Japanese, the lobotomized political prisoners, the nostalgic social patterning of an Iron Age empire complete with puppet Sun Tzu...
They have always been a loathesome lot.

This is one place where making the first two sectorials Imperial Service and Japanese have kind of tainted the writing going further. For the last 9 years, the actual StateEmpire forces have been basically sitting on the backburner while CB have harped on about and expanded the darkest bits of Yu Jing's background. Imagine for a second if PanO's first factions were Varuna and, oh, I guess some Helot Slave army run by the Hexahedron or something (or hell, if the Hexahedron was a full sectorial instead of just a single profile). How do you think that would change perception of the setting's golden boys? Well, that is basically what Yu Jing got saddled with, and even at the time it was a bit of a departure from their previous background.

The Imperial Service itself owes more to Judge Dredd than it does to more in-tune sources like Judge Dee or even Hong Action films like Police Story or Hardboiled. The worst bit was probably how far Kuang Shi shifted them in to blatantly evil territory (whereas Wu Ming, troops who would otherwise be executed for their violent crimes, seemed bad but were generally no worse than other shady units in other factions).

Make no mistake, when Human Sphere dropped, it was a definite shift for Yu Jing and not just more of the same. Yu Jing were not always jack-booted thugs, people bombs, and wall-to-wall Japanese troops sent to the meat grinder. This is where complaints about continued flanderization of Yu Jing have come in. Because it has only been getting worse and worse since Human Sphere and it continues to be the overt focus.

What new development made them literal nazis?
Unless they’re sporting that exact right facing tilted swastika now, invading Poland, etc what is the specific connection? We’re not getting a Hitler aleph recreation are we?

Oh, I guess probably the new line they've crossed with the literal ethnic cleansing. As bad as the ISS were before they were generally more subtle in their ruthlessness. But between televised mass graves, flooding entire cities on purpose, and now having a specialized division for slaughtering Japanese people (not just military assets, people) there has been a very obvious shift that goes way past even the low point represented by Kuang Shi. Hell, they even have their own Japanese concentration camp/region now!

I mean, evil going down in a whole game about clandestine black ops is fine. It is what the game is about. But Uprising basically shows Yu Jing devolving from competent and ruthless (the Quingdao Report) to perpetrating overt war crimes against a specific race/ethnicity and not even bothering to cover it up. At least in Human Sphere, things like the Kuang Shi are a deep dark secret and used as deniable assets in black ops. It is something else entirely to have a non-secret unit known as the Butchers of Motobushima that have a reputation of targeted aggression and extermination of a specific ethnicity.

Basically, I've seen Yu Jing go from a slightly ruthless foil of PanO, to a scary authoritarian state with deep-dark secrets, to being the obvious human villain faction. It is not a change I've liked and it is an evolution that I wish had stopped much earlier.

In a game where equally unlikely types of government are largely handled in an idealistic and utopian way, having Yu Jing look like an alarmist critique of the current PRC honestly just feels at odds with the rest of the setting at this point. It would be like PanO being written up with a massive income disparity and huge quality of life gap between lower and upper classes (and no middle class since income disparity tends to kill that off quickly) because that's what a hyper-capitalist government would probably result in given known trends. Or if Haqqislam were written as a critique of various extremist Islamic regimes instead of being an idealized version of the Islamic Golden Age.

Yu Jing, too often, gets written as a somewhat topical, mostly alarmist version of China as it exists today with most of the pan-Asian super-collective bits it was initially billed as largely ignored (seriously, we have next to no background on the non-Chinese and non-Japanese parts of the faction; even the oddly white-bread, european-heavy PanO at least pays lip service to their diverse founding cultures) while they dig down in to the evil authoritarian space (as well as giving us yet another space-samurai version of Japan...).

Can’t disagree with your take, they’re pretty villainous. Not literally Nazis, but very much evil like Nazis.
I don’t really mind. They have always lacked character to me. It’s always just been that other hyper power in yellow.

Tunguska: Bankers and Lawyers and Space Russian mafia. Not necessarily evil, but certainly amoral.

The actual written sectorial background is not to be released for a while, seemingly. With the JSecA and the USAriadna, the background was included in the army box booklet. However, no army box for Tunguska. No matter. CB has already sold every Tunguska starter box it has produced/is producing. Well, not literally, but y'all understand what I mean.

I think the book is for Nov/Dec preview/release, and CB will include the Tunguska background in it -- and being held back to be included in it-- to help boost sales. The book could be a GenCon release. We'll see soon enough. GenCon is early this year, 2-5 August. Pre-order beginning in mid-July, teasers at the end of June-beginning of July. Two months.

 Red Harvest wrote:
Tunguska: Bankers and Lawyers and Space Russian mafia. Not necessarily evil, but certainly amoral.

Not "space Russian mafia". We're talking Yakuza, Druze, etc all playing a part in the criminal underworld(keyword there) for Tunguska.

It's also worth mentioning that "amoral" doesn't apply here, at least in the way you're implying. The Sectorial isn't going to be made up of those criminal organizations(which the "Dragnet" organization in Tunguska actively keeps in line/suppressed), but rather the people who keep them in check.

The better description of Tunguska is:
Data Security and Contractual Obligations.

The actual written sectorial background is not to be released for a while, seemingly. With the JSecA and the USAriadna, the background was included in the army box booklet. However, no army box for Tunguska. No matter. CB has already sold every Tunguska starter box it has produced/is producing. Well, not literally, but y'all understand what I mean.

I think the book is for Nov/Dec preview/release, and CB will include the Tunguska background in it -- and being held back to be included in it-- to help boost sales. The book could be a GenCon release. We'll see soon enough. GenCon is early this year, 2-5 August. Pre-order beginning in mid-July, teasers at the end of June-beginning of July. Two months.

GenCon "release" means nothing. They bring stuff specifically for the event. Like we just saw with the JSA box+Uprising, there's a month or sometimes two between the event and release. Traditionally, it's been preorders for GenCon and then releasing in late September.