Total War: Three Kingdoms (Moving on to next game?)

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**squidhills**

Eumerin wrote:

Just a quick note - Lu Bu's daughter isn't fictional. While her name isn't known, and she wouldn't have been a fierce warrior as depicted in Dynasty Warriors, he did have at least one daughter. He attempted to use her to cement an alliance with Yuan Shu by marrying her into Shu's family. But Shu didn't trust Lu Bu and ultimately declined the offer.

AFAIK, nothing else is known about her.

My only frame of reference here is the latest RotK game itself. In their biography entry for Lu Bu's daughter they state that the character did not appear in history or in the original novel. There may be some mild subtleties lost in the translation, but it is possible Koei meant that the Lu Bu daughter in their game was not meant ot be the actual historical daughter of Lu Bu. My guess would be because the girl in the game would have been several years older than the historical daughter would have been. *shrug*

Eumerin wrote:

As for the southern part of the map -

While it wasn't as heavily populated as northern (particularly north-eastern) China, there were still people there. At least two warlords - Liu Yao and Shi Xie were apparently based in the south. The former was active in the fighting, but died of an illness shortly after defeating a rebellious general. The latter was fairly passive (he was about as far as you could possibly get from the capitol, and was content to be left alone to do as he pleased) and apparently ended up joining the Kingdom of Wu. There was also at least one prominent non-Han tribe active in the region. The Shanyue tended to live by pillaging their Han neighbors whenever they had the chance. Wu eventually pacified them through a combination of carrot (promised rewards if they joined) and starvation (making it impossible for the Shanyue to pillage food from the Han harvests).

I remember Shi Xie. He used to be a fixture in the older games, but I can't recall him being in the more recent ones. But that may just be my memory. I missed out on all the PS3 era RotK games, so if he was in those I wouldn't have seen them. All I can speak to is SNES, PS1, PS2 and the most recent on PS4. Liu Yao doesn't ring a bell, but the Shanyue do. The games tried to include them a few times in the past by making them non-state actors in the conflict. Basically, they controlled no territory or cities, but you could bribe them to attack enemy cities (which would weaken defenses and deplete garrisons) typically to soften them up for your own assaults which would be intended to conquer the cities. Then they kind of dropped out of the game. I think they popped up in 9 or 10 as an elite recruitable troop type for Wu.

**LordofHats**

squidhills wrote:
My only frame of reference here is the latest RotK game itself. In their biography entry for Lu Bu's daughter they state that the character did not appear in history or in the original novel. There may be some mild subtleties lost in the translation, but it is possible Koei meant that the Lu Bu daughter in their game was not meant ot be the actual historical daughter of Lu Bu. My guess would be because the girl in the game would have been several years older than the historical daughter would have been. *shrug*

Koei has a character named Lu Lingqi (at least in Dynasty Warriors), who is a fictional version of Lu Bu's daughter. Historically she is unnamed and would have been very young at the time. She definitely existed. Yuan Shu tried to secure Lu Bu's loyalty by marrying his son to her. However her ultimate fate and name are unrecorded by history.

**Eumerin**

The lack of a name for Lu Bu's daughter is, unfortunately, a common issue for women in the records of this era. This leads to problems when creating stories set in the era. Some of the women that tend to appear more frequently often end up with traditional names. The most flagrant example of this is probably the wife of Sun Ce, along with her sister - who was Zhao Yu's wife - who are quite literally referred to by traditional names that mean Older Sister and Younger Sister.

The men, on the other hand, tend to be much better documented, with quite a few obscure officers having their names recorded in the records that are available.

**Voss**

That's not a particularly unique problem. It exists in American records too, both in church records and newspaper articles.

During one particular stint doing archival work for a college in Boston, I came across a lot of wedding announcements from the 1970s and 80s (!!!), where the bride was simply listed as John Doe's bride or daughter, depending on whether the writer thought the husband or father of the bride was more important. The woman's name was often not listed despite her obvious importance to the wedding.

Same thing with 19th century Congregationalist church records. Household were listed under the husband, and it was a stroke of luck if the wives or children were named. Given the time period that's more expected, but s still frustrating to researchers.

**Eumerin**

Voss wrote:
That's not a particularly unique problem. It exists in American records too, both in church records and newspaper articles.

During one particular stint doing archival work for a college in Boston, I came across a lot of wedding announcements from the 1970s and 80s (!!!), where the bride was simply listed as John Doe's bride or daughter, depending on whether the writer thought the husband or father of the bride was more important. The woman's name was often not listed despite her obvious importance to the wedding.

Same thing with 19th century Congregationalist church records. Household were listed under the husband, and it was a stroke of luck if the wives or children were named. Given the time period that's more expected, but s still frustrating to researchers.

You *kind* of expect it when it involves members of society who aren't considered particularly significant. But it's a bit of a surprise when one of the individuals that you're referring to was the wife of the leader of the Sun family (if only for a short period of time), and the other was the wife of the lead strategist of the same family. Both of the husbands were very important individuals while they were alive. The US equivalent would be not recording the name of the First Lady for posterity.

**Grey Templar**

Eumerin wrote:
Voss wrote:
That's not a particularly unique problem. It exists in American records too, both in church records and newspaper articles.

During one particular stint doing archival work for a college in Boston, I came across a lot of wedding announcements from the 1970s and 80s (!!!), where the bride was simply listed as John Doe's bride or daughter, depending on whether the writer thought the husband or father of the bride was more important. The woman's name was often not listed despite her obvious importance to the wedding.

Same thing with 19th century Congregationalist church records. Household were listed under the husband, and it was a stroke of luck if the wives or children were named. Given the time period that's more expected, but s still frustrating to researchers.

You *kind* of expect it when it involves members of society who aren't considered particularly significant. But it's a bit of a surprise when one of the individuals that you're referring to was the wife of the leader of the Sun family (if only for a short period of time), and the other was the wife of the lead strategist of the same family. Both of the husbands were very important individuals while they were alive. The US equivalent would be not recording the name of the First Lady for posterity.

Well, one thing to consider is that all these guys probably had a fair number of concubines and/or multiple wives. Which would lead to them having quite a few children, in varying states of legitimacy. The child death rates up till even very recently were not great.

Children simply weren't really worthy of note till they survived to adulthood unless something particularly special was going on. And I'm sure the court record keepers had better things to do than keep track of even an important person's children unless there was a good reason.

And even if records were kept, if you are a scribe who is trying to organize a library and you need to make some space, what are you going to keep? The records of the deeds of the great Lu Bu? Or the boring rote records noting the names, births, and deaths of a bunch of Lu Bu's children?

**Voss**

Eumerin wrote:
Voss wrote:
That's not a particularly unique problem. It exists in American records too, both in church records and newspaper articles.

During one particular stint doing archival work for a college in Boston, I came across a lot of wedding announcements from the 1970s and 80s (!!!), where the bride was simply listed as John Doe's bride or daughter, depending on whether the writer thought the husband or father of the bride was more important. The woman's name was often not listed despite her obvious importance to the wedding.

Same thing with 19th century Congregationalist church records. Household were listed under the husband, and it was a stroke of luck if the wives or children were named. Given the time period that's more expected, but s still frustrating to researchers.

You *kind* of expect it when it involves members of society who aren't considered particularly significant. But it's a bit of a surprise when one of the individuals that you're referring to was the wife of the leader of the Sun family (if only for a short period of time), and the other was the wife of the lead strategist of the same family. Both of the husbands were very important individuals while they were alive. The US equivalent would be not recording the name of the First Lady for posterity.

For a period that's almost 2000 years past, is semi-mythical and based more on known fictionalized accounts than real historical sources... it doesn't surprise me at all.

There's some genealogical charts in the back of my copy of the Anglo-Saxon chronicle of the various kings, and 'daughter of,' 'daughter' or just a single line between a king and his children (no spouse indicated) happens regularly. Those names were lost in almost half the time. That's the patriarchy for you.

In 2000 years, I wouldn't expect many first ladies to be remembered either. We're still rather bad at records (and I say that as someone who professionally keeps and maintains records). Truthfully, I think you're overestimating the reliability and availability of records.

**Eumerin**

Voss wrote:

For a period that's almost 2000 years past, is semi-mythical and based more on known fictionalized accounts than real historical sources... it doesn't surprise me at all.

There's some genealogical charts in the back of my copy of the Anglo-Saxon chronicle of the various kings, and 'daughter of,' 'daughter' or just a single line between a king and his children (no spouse indicated) happens regularly. Those names were lost in almost half the time. That's the patriarchy for you.

In 2000 years, I wouldn't expect many first ladies to be remembered either. We're still rather bad at records (and I say that as someone who professionally keeps and maintains records). Truthfully, I think you're overestimating the reliability and availability of records.

On the one hand, yes.

On the other hand, we have the names of a ridiculous number of low-ranking officers from the era. Koei-Tecmo's Dynasty Warriors series has hundreds of "generic" officers who are unplayable, and represented only by a name. And none of these people are fictional. We have records that confirm the existence of every last one of them.

(it's the playable characters who are sometimes fictional)

**LordofHats**

If anything I'd say the number one reason the wives of Sun Ce and Zhou Yu aren't even named is because the two men both died much in their prime. Sun Ce achieved much but never really "ruled" and Zhou Yu died not long after Red Cliffs. Neither of them really lived into the full Three Kingdom's period, and with their deaths their wives became simply extended family of the Imperial house. Probably well cared for, but not particularly important.

A number of women are named in the era, but it's pretty much exclusive to the wives of the three emperors and some of their most significant advisors. Concubines generally go unnamed unless they seriously pissed someone off (tried to usurp power).

**Grey Templar**

Eumerin wrote:

On the other hand, we have the names of a ridiculous number of low-ranking officers from the era. Koei-Tecmo's Dynasty Warriors series has hundreds of "generic" officers who are unplayable, and represented only by a name. And none of these people are fictional. We have records that confirm the existence of every last one of them.

Well thats probably where we get into another part of historical records. The stuff that survives can also be random. Especially if natural disasters get involved.

Kinda like how 99% of the records which survive from the ancient Bronze age on clay tablets are almost all related to food storage, grain harvests, etc... Maybe that was the only stuff they actually cared to write about and nothing else ever existed. Maybe thats the only stuff that has survived because only the warehouse storing the agricultural tablets actually remained in good condition.

**nels1031**

I gave the 8 Princes campaign a shot(50ish turns), just felt lifeless because it didn't have all of the wonderful and colorful folks of the main campaign. I get that the focus is on the 8 dudes, hence the title, but it just felt empty with all the repetitive and generic NPC cardboard cutout characters.

May give Mandate of Heaven a shot this week, but from what I can see is that its sorta the main campaign with different start locations for some of the characters from main campaign.

Probably won't purchase the next DLC unless it adds something significant to the main campaign, or shifts focus to another era(gimme the Mongol invasion!!!) or locale (Korea!?)

**LordofHats**

The only thing I liked about 8 Princes was that the campaign had a better flow to it than the man campaign, and of course the South Was populated so starting there was less one-dimensional.

Still waiting for those Nanman tho.

**Eumerin**

Genghis Khan is almost exactly 1000 years later. So I wouldn't expect to see the Mongols as an add-on for this game. There were pre-Mongol nomadic groups living in what is now Mongolia. But they didn't present the same threat during this period that the Mongols later did.

Korea at this time would best be presented as a saga game, imo.

One start date that's pretty much a "why haven't they done this already!?" would be based on the time period just after the establishment of the third kingdom (Shu-Han). I could also see them expanding the game even further by adding in the period that immediately follows Eight Princes, when the north devolved into another warring states period.

Additional factions - including non-Han - has been brought up numerous times here, and I'm surprised they haven't added any yet.

**nels1031**

I gave the Mandate of Heaven DLC a good shot since my last post in this thread. Aside from having a few less factions, it was alot of fun and I think I prefer it over main campaign.

I did one campaign as the Han Emperor which has some fairly unique problems and challenges, but I powered through and waited out the Eunichs in my court, gradually shitcanning them as my political influence grew.

And I'm fairly early into a MoH Dong Zhou campaign, and it fun to see him before he became the tyrant that he seems to be before the main campaign. I'm just slowly grinding down the Yellow Turban factions with newly adopted Lu Bu, creating a pretty powerful state in the north. Though I just got the mission to head to the Han capital because He Jin was murdered by the Eunuchs, so I think things are about to hit the fan here real soon.

**nels1031**

Looks like some new stuff coming soon, but nothing meaty in this video:

Is Liu Yao (pictured briefly in the video) new? Whats his deal?

Someone in the comments mentioned Yan Baihu, but I saw nothing on that person?

**LordofHats**

Liu Yao is the warlord who ruled a area of southern China and was defeated by Sun Ce, forming the basis for Eastern Wu. He is currently one of the early objectives for Sun Jian's faction. He starts the campaign in Jianye, the province on the south bank of the Yangzhe along the coast.

Yan Baihu is interesting. He was a bandit leader in the Jiangdong region, and if added to the game would be in the South, so it looks like they might be looking at adding some more meat to the south of the map, just not with the Nanman.

**nels1031**

New DLC :

ABOUT THIS CONTENT
A World Betrayed portrays a seminal moment in the history of the Three Kingdoms. Many of the iconic warlords of Total War: THREE KINGDOMS have now passed on, a catalyst that has spurred a new generation of warlords into making a play for their own dynasties.

As well as adding in more factions to the South, A World Betrayed includes:

Two new factions led by fan favourites Lü Bu and Sun Ce
13 playable factions
New unique battlefield units
New faction mechanics
New events and story missions
New legendary characters
New story events
A brand-new 194 CE start date

All sons are born in the shadow of their fathers. It’s how they move beyond that defines them.

The year is 194CE and Dong Zhuo, the seemingly unstoppable tyrant, has been dead for two years. But his death blow did not come from an enemy hand; the blade belonged to Lü Bu, his adoptive son.

Since Dong Zhuo’s death, Lü Bu has flirted with a number of allegiances, swiftly falling in (and out) with the warlords he finds around him. Having found further opportunities by taking Cao Cao’s land while he was away avenging the death of his father, he now flees from Cao Cao and his allies, seeking further means to prove his battle prowess and defeat the supposed heroes of China.

Meanwhile in the South, Sun Ce mourns his own father’s death, Sun Jian. Vowing to defend his legacy, he seeks expansion into the South, but can he keep his people safe and prove his worth beyond his father’s legacy?

With the world in turmoil, it’s up to you to carve out a path for your hero, and lay waste to anyone that stands in your way.

Lü Bu

The legendary warrior Lü Bu may be fearsome in battle, but he is hasty when it comes to the intricacies of rule. At the start of his campaign players will find themselves locked in combat with Cao Cao’s main army. Fight your way out of Chen to survive and rally your forces for the next inevitable showdown. This is the only DLC in which Lü Bu and his faction become playable.

Unique Faction Mechanics:

Momentum:
Lü Bu’s faction centres around Lü Bu himself defeating enemies as faction leader. Defeating enemy characters grants momentum points which enable a variety of powerful actions and bonuses.
Greatest Warrior Panel:
Lü Bu’s faction has access to the ‘Greatest Warriors’ panel, featuring legendary warriors from the Three Kingdoms period. Defeating these legendary warriors with Lü Bu unlocks various permanent bonuses for the faction.

Unique Story Events:

Experience the historic conflict between Cao Cao and Lü Bu
Lü Bu’s shifting allegiances: will you join Liu Bei, and later betray him?
Lü Bu’s fractured faction: Will your generals betray you?
When playing as Lü Bu you also have access to two new units;
Camp Crushers (two-handed sword infantry)
Flying Riders (armoured shock cavalry)

Sun Ce

The military general Sun Ce is a vassal of Yuan Shu at the start of this campaign, as his father Sun Jian was before him. In Sun Ce’s campaign the player must grapple with decisions around the overlord; should Sun Ce stay loyal or should he rebel? With a desire to push South and conquer his homelands, Sun Ce has a fraught journey ahead of him.

Unique Faction Mechanic:

Legacy Of Wu:
Sun Ce has a list of ‘ambitions’ and completing these goals grants permanent bonuses to his faction. This includes tasks such as conquering lands in the south, gathering high-level characters into his court and getting vengeance for his father’s murder.
Reckless Luck:
Sun Ce’s reckless behaviour lets him expand his kingdom with unmatched speed and ease. But the luck that keeps him alive can’t be sustained forever. If his luck runs out, Sun Ce dies. By completing his ambitions, his death can be delayed and, perhaps, avoided.

Unique Story Events:

Guide Sun Ce’s unbridled ambition and reckless confidence into conquering the South.
Experience Sun Ce’s conflict with Yan Baihu and Yuan Shu.
Prove your worth, and Sun Jian’s old generals will flock to your faction.

When playing as Sun Ce you also have access to five new units and his father’s mercenary units.

Tiger Guard (heavy spear infantry)
Handmaid Guard (medium sword cavalry)
Mercenary Archers (light bow infantry)
Mercenary Infantry (medium axe infantry)
Mercenary Cavalry (medium spear cavalry)
Returning Heroes

As well as our two new factions, A World Betrayed sees a brand-new start date and brand-new challenges for the following returning factions:

Cao Cao
Liu Bei
Yuan Shao
Yuan Shu
Liu Biao
Zhang Yan
Zheng Jiang
Gongsun Zan
Kong Rong
Ma Teng

**Eumerin**

Two items worth noting in this. The first is that while Dong Zhuo and Sun Jian were both important to the era, both historically were killed shortly after the base game start. This DLC adds two famous individuals who became faction leaders due to the deaths of those men. The second is that CA is finally populating the south. This will hopefully be included for free in the base game start, as well

**Eumerin**

A populated South is confirmed even without the DLC. A new free warlord - Yan Baihu, or White Tiger Yan - is being added to that region.

**Voss**

Not impressed with this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du5kdf_O3y4

I really don't like the special mechanics.
Partly because it makes some factions ridiculously overpowered, and I don't like juggling penalties. It isn't fun with specific elf, skaven or other leaders in Warhammer 2, and doesn't look fun here. Its just extra accounting that takes away from the core gameplay.

**nels1031**

From their "Dev Blog"

TOTAL WAR: THREE KINGDOMS
The Nanman are coming – in fact, they’re lined up to be our very next DLC release. We’re very excited, and we think this pack has a lot of great stuff in it that you’re really going to enjoy.

You’ve seen ‘Chapter Packs’ before, but this will be our first ‘Expansion Pack’ DLC for 3K, and it’s a large one.

First off, something that a lot of you have been asking for is coming – gate pass battles and settlements will be added to the campaign map helping to make core passes much more defensible (and some impassable shallows around Chang’an to stop the Yellow river being used to quickly take it).

We don’t want to give too much away yet, but we can also let you know that if you don’t want to buy the DLC there will still be a new Free-LC Lord for the Han, new options to stop characters dying from old age at the beginning of the campaign, and some UI changes that we think will make a big difference.

Plus there’ll be some things added that you’ll never forget…

Having said that, there is a minor issue that might bother some of you, so we want to get out ahead of it. Hulao pass is sort of in the wrong place. We know and we’re sorry, these things happen!

Hulao Pass is positioned North of Mount Song, and we have placed it there on the 3K map. The issue is that the mountain is in the wrong place. This was pointed out to us but at a place where fixing it would break all of our internal saves. Our focus is on making sure the upcoming release is as stable as it can be, and having to start over with getting saves to help us bug fix and balance the game came with too many risks.

This is something that we’re going to correct in a future update, so rest assured that we’re aware of it. That map update will come with the second ‘Expansion Pack’ DLC that will focus on building out the North of the map.

Probably my favorite part :

First off, something that a lot of you have been asking for is coming – gate pass battles and settlements will be added to the campaign map helping to make core passes much more defensible

**LordofHats**

Finally!

**nels1031**

Looks awesome.

With the introduction of The Furious Wild Expansion Pack comes the first ever extension of the Total War: Three Kingdom’s map and its already rich cast of characters. Visit the jungles around Southern China and with it, the fearsome tribes of the Nanman. Will you unite the tribes of the south?

As well as expanding the Three Kingdoms map, The Furious Wild includes the new Nanman culture, adding diversity to the base game factions, units and playstyles:

4 new playable factions each with their own unique mechanics, with 19 new factions overall populating southern China
25+ new units including exciting and formidable animal units
New ferocious character artwork
New Nanman-specific tech tree with keystone technologies requiring missions to be completed
A completely new character progression style, with feats used to unlock traits
Unique missions and narrative events bespoke for the Nanman culture
One goal to ‘Unite the Tribes’, but how will you achieve it, through diplomacy or conquest?
Playable in 190 and 194 start dates

Difference unites as much as it divides

In the verdant jungles of Southern China, forces so far unmet are stirring. The disparate tribes of the Nanman have for centuries lain divided, but now a new leader must emerge to unite them – by any means necessary.

The mighty warriors Meng Huo, King Mulu, Lady Zhurong and King Shamoke bring with them unique methods of battle, from flaming maces and blowpipes, to revered elephants and tigers. Separated they are vulnerable, together, they might just be unstoppable.

Play as any of the new playable Nanman factions in the years before their encounter with Zhuge Liang and his famous Southern Campaign. Experience the might of the Southern tribes, all while exploring new areas of the Three Kingdoms map. Can you unify these unique warriors and take on the mighty Han, or will jungle warfare take its toll on these newly formed allegiances?
Meng Huo

Having risen through the ranks of the Nanman tribes, Meng Huo has gained repute for his fierce but stubborn leadership. Loyal to his friends but merciless when it comes to his enemies, his tenacity garners him as much trouble as it does success. With one goal in mind – becoming the king of the Nanman – Meng Huo must look to his neighbours to help spread the flames of his rule.

King of Kings

When Meng Huo takes control over another Nanman faction, either by making an alliance or destroying them, he gains certain temporary bonuses. These bonuses can also be stacked, creating a rolling momentum that will surely bring Meng Huo the kingship he desires.

Unique Units:

Nanzhong Champions: A cut above your usual shield-wielding infantry – perfect for holding your frontline steady as a rock in the face of incoming missiles
Nanzhong Elephants: Drummers sit atop these mighty elephant units, playing rhythms that provide passive buffs to your nearby units. Use them to wreak havoc on the frontline or pull them back to provide support for your units
Nanzhong Spearmen: The eye-catching rattan armour these spearmen wear provides defense against any errant darts headed their way, leaving them free to focus on any incoming mounted foes

Lady Zhurong

A descendent of the god of fire, sparks fly when Lady Zhurong enters the battlefield. With a hot temper and an iron will, she seeks to expand her lands, and remove any obstacles in her way. Her passion seems impossible to rival, but there may just be allies closer than she thinks.

Goddess of Fire

Across the seasons, Lady Zhurong accumulates points toward her Goddess of Fire mechanic. Once enough points have been gathered, players have the ability to activate her Wild Fire bonus; this formidable bonus makes her units near unbeatable in battle. The bonus changes according to the season it is activated within, and these powerful effects last across a series of turns. Once Wild Fire has burned out, Lady Zhurong is vulnerable for a short period and will need to recover before she can fight again without weakness, so time your expansion wisely.

Unique Units:

Tiger Warriors: These axe-wielding warriors have an ace up their sleeve – their tiger companions. Use these tigers to give your opponents a scare before going in for the kill
Followers of the Flame: What’s better than a two-handed mace? A two-handed mace that’s on fire. Engage this fiery unit in as many frontline battles as possible and watch as their damage-over-time effect causes chaos
Tiger Slingers: While tigers disrupt your opponent’s line, these slingers will pick off any stragglers who manage to escape
King Mulu

In the undergrowth of the Southern jungle roams King Mulu, a friend to the animal kingdom, but a stranger to man. Spending time in the animal world has gained him many advantages, not least, the mighty elephants that walk by his side. Now Mulu must face his brethren, but will his pride get in the way of future partnerships?

Pride & Ritual

You know what they say, ‘Pride always comes before a Ritual’, quite literally in the case of Mulu. During his campaign he will accumulate Pride, his faction’s pooled resource, according to the rank of characters he defeats in battle. Your faction will gain lucrative bonuses to animal units, such as an increase in unit capacity and even a decrease in recruitment cost, in line with the amount of Pride you have reached. Periodically, Mulu will take part in spiritual rituals, invoking the elements to grant additional distinct bonuses for his faction.

Unique Units:

Southern Elephants: A small band of elephants that pack a mighty punch to frontlines, accompanied by some handy slingers on their backs
War Elephants: A more heavily armored elephant unit used best to charge into enemies, also accompanied by slingers
Ravine Warriors: These frontline warriors are ready to clean up after any elephant-related carnage with a weapon in each hand

King Shamoke

Shamoke’s origins may be as murky as the dense jungle he controls, but his drive for power is all Nanman. As the ruler of the five valleys, several tribes have pledged their allegiance to him, but many remain wary of the leader. The Han’s interest in him has only deepened this suspicion. With both sides in opposition, Shamoke must choose where his loyalty truly lies, and neither choice is without cost.

Unification Mandate

Shamoke’s chief concern is uniting the Nanman under his rule, and so, his faction mechanic gives him bonuses according to what unification technique the player chooses to employ. Whether you conquer, subjugate or reform, power is yours for the taking and you will be rewarded for the followers you bring to your side.

Unique Units:

Might of the Valley: Fast two-handed axe infantry that gain large bonuses when fighting near death – watch as they flank and charge enemies into submission
Wuling Slingers: These light-footed short-range units are able to side-step potential terrain penalties – ideal for skirmishing in dense jungle where they can quickly evade and wear down enemy units
Wuling Fighters: Offensive-minded warriors with a health pool hardy enough to take the mightiest of blows. These fighters do best pitted against the strongest heroes

**Voss**

Tigers and Elephants, hmm? Interesting.

Just having factions in the south rather than free land for the claiming will change the game immensely.

Wiki page of the Nanman for some brief general information:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanman

Looks freshly edited by someone associated with or a fan of TW:3K

**Eumerin**

Shi Xie will also be playable as a free update. He ran Vietnam on behalf of the Han Dynasty (which controlled the region at the time), and is apparently surprisingly well-regarded there as more than just another arrogant, racist Han official. He ultimately ended up joining Wu, and helping the Sun family undercut Shu-Han's influence in Southern China.

**LordofHats**

Zhurong and Mulu both look like they'll have some fun mechanics. A bit unclear on exactly what Shamoke's will look like.

**nels1031**

Have they released a pic of how the map is changing? Really looking forward to those changes.

**Eumerin**

nels1031 wrote:
Have they released a pic of how the map is changing? Really looking forward to those changes.

So far as I know, nothing has been mentioned so far in the information released for 'The Furious Wilds'. However, the Shi Xie FLC page does have this screenshot from the 190 start date -

Spoiler:

In it, you can see what appears to be the starting positions for all four of the Nanman warlords, and the regions around where Shi Xie starts.

On another note, looking ahead, apparently CA has indicated that the northern tribes will be the next "big thing". That doesn't preclude one or more new start date releases in the meantime. But we can definitely look forward to the north putting in a strong appearance. CA has also apparently stated that they'd like to add Korea. But if that gets added, it won't be until later.

**nels1031**

Probably the most info on the expanded and reworked map that I’ve seen so far.

**nels1031**

So Dong Zhou riding an elephant is pretty hilarious.

Having alot of fun with the DLC. Some of the Nanman units are way too good though.