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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/01/14 05:13:36
Subject: Non-aligned Chaos entities, are there any?
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Imperial Agent Provocateur
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As the title says, are there any non aligned chaos things? Yes I know about furies and the soul forge. No they don't count, nor does Bel'Akor.
Are there any lore incidents of a daemon getting severed from its god, or an IG grunt getting infected with some warp stuff and going rogue fighting the chaos gods, or something?
Just wondering.
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1500pts Kabal of the Blood Moon
200pts Order of Ash and Silver
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/01/14 05:38:14
Subject: Non-aligned Chaos entities, are there any?
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It's chaos, so within the warp, sure. But if that entity has the power to project into reality easily is more difficult.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/01/14 06:56:24
Subject: Non-aligned Chaos entities, are there any?
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Noise Marine Terminator with Sonic Blaster
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IIRC there's actually predatory animals IN the warp itself, that are a neutral force to Chaos itself.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/01/14 11:03:09
Subject: Non-aligned Chaos entities, are there any?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Old fluff has Malal or something. He was a chaos enitity that disrupted the plans of the big 4.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/01/14 12:01:53
Subject: Non-aligned Chaos entities, are there any?
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Potent Possessed Daemonvessel
Why Aye Ya Canny Dakkanaughts!
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Daemons are simply extensions of a Chaos God's consciousness, you can't severe a Daemon from it's God. The only way I can think of there being warp entities without an alignment would be 'Daemons' of an aspect of human emotion that isn't strong enough to birth a Chaos God.
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Ghorros wrote:The moral of the story: Don't park your Imperial Knight in a field of Gretchin carrying power tools.
Marmatag wrote:All the while, my opponent is furious, throwing his codex on the floor, trying to slash his wrists with safety scissors. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/01/14 12:04:31
Subject: Non-aligned Chaos entities, are there any?
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Resolute Ultramarine Honor Guard
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Arent Furies unaligned Daemons?
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warboss wrote:Is there a permanent stickied thread for Chaos players to complain every time someone/anyone gets models or rules besides them? If not, there should be. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/01/14 12:07:36
Subject: Non-aligned Chaos entities, are there any?
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Leader of the Sept
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Yes they are.
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Please excuse any spelling errors. I use a tablet frequently and software keyboards are a pain!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/01/14 13:09:50
Subject: Re:Non-aligned Chaos entities, are there any?
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Fixture of Dakka
West Michigan, deep in Whitebread, USA
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I would imagine there are tons of them hiding out in the warp, keeping out of the attentions of the more powerful Daemons of the four gods. Probably at the same status of power as Bloodletters and Plaguebearers.
The one thing GW has never really done is expand on the things that would follow Chaos Undivided.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/01/14 15:18:47
Subject: Non-aligned Chaos entities, are there any?
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Oozing Plague Marine Terminator
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I'd say GW more or less got rid of Chaos undivided. Yes, there is always the phrase that there are other, weaker entities than the big 4, but since 6th edition Furies and Soulgrinders have to choose one of the big 4 as well and as we all know there's no real mark of Chaos undivided anymore for CSM.
So yes, there probably are still other things present in the warp, but no rules, models or fluff goes into details about them, the big 4 rule.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/01/14 22:37:38
Subject: Non-aligned Chaos entities, are there any?
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[SWAP SHOP MOD]
Killer Klaivex
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Malal, or Malice, the 'Anti-God' of Chaos still gets frequent nods in the fluff. Certainly sufficient that it's reasonable to figure he's still about. There was also Drach'nyen, or Anathema.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/01/14 23:30:00
Subject: Non-aligned Chaos entities, are there any?
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
Vigo. Spain.
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Chaos Gods aren't ALL that it is on the warp. They are the most powerfull entities, with other entities existing (Or not) like the Emperor, Gork and Mork, the Eldar Gods, and a TON of small entities that are more in the power leve lof daemons than gods that aren't aligned with one of the 4.
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Crimson Devil wrote:
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote:Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/01/14 23:57:49
Subject: Non-aligned Chaos entities, are there any?
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Damsel of the Lady
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I've always thought the smaller chaos things would be interesting to explore a bit. I like chaos undivided, and i like the idea that beliefs and emotions of smaller groups could cause smaller gods to blink in and out of existence.
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realism is a lie
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/01/15 05:42:44
Subject: Non-aligned Chaos entities, are there any?
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Utilizing Careful Highlighting
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The Warp is a reflection of all emotion and thought in the galaxy. It’s just that the inherently awful nature of the 40k universe means the predominant emotions reflected in the Warp coalesced into the 4 big nasties. There’s still everything else in there. Daemonic entities of love, or kindness, or peace are also possible. They’re just likely to be very small and insignificant.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/01/15 12:28:02
Subject: Non-aligned Chaos entities, are there any?
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Stubborn Dark Angels Veteran Sergeant
Lost in the warp while searching for a new codex
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Galas wrote:Chaos Gods aren't ALL that it is on the warp. They are the most powerfull entities, with other entities existing (Or not) like the Emperor, Gork and Mork, the Eldar Gods, and a TON of small entities that are more in the power leve lof daemons than gods that aren't aligned with one of the 4.
Bolded part, I'm not so sure that Gork and Mork (or Mork and Gork) are weaker than the Chaos gods. There's some fluff where they beat Khorne or Nurgle without breaking a sweat.
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I cannot believe in a God who wants to be praised all the time.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/01/15 13:13:46
Subject: Non-aligned Chaos entities, are there any?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Badablack wrote:The Warp is a reflection of all emotion and thought in the galaxy. It’s just that the inherently awful nature of the 40k universe means the predominant emotions reflected in the Warp coalesced into the 4 big nasties. There’s still everything else in there. Daemonic entities of love, or kindness, or peace are also possible. They’re just likely to be very small and insignificant.
I've always thought the 'positive' emotions are covered by the big four.
Kindness? Nurgle
Justice? Khorne
Hope? Tzeenetch
Love? Slaanesh
The big four are not made of 'evil' emotions. ANY emotion taken to an extreme produces evil behaviour; love might be the 'greatest' of human emotions, but a quick google will find you numerous instances of when someone's 'love' led to them doing something utterly horrible. Likewise, 'rage' might be seen as a bad emotion . . . unless someone is so furious about an injustice that the campaign relentlessly to get an injustice overturned.
The lesson to learn from the big four is the importance of moderation.
On Topic: Daemons are a part of a god and cannot be severed from it. However there are weaker daemons such as furies who never 'belonged' to a Chaos god and therefore remain independent. Some of the Daemon Princes have some independence due to being mortal. However as they are now a part of their god they cannot act against their interest. There are also beings like the Enslavers who exist in the warp but have never been connected to one of the big four (but aren't exactly daemons either). Evidence of the existence of other gods remains inconsistent/unconfirmed.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/01/15 14:10:30
Subject: Non-aligned Chaos entities, are there any?
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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tedurur wrote: Galas wrote:Chaos Gods aren't ALL that it is on the warp. They are the most powerfull entities, with other entities existing (Or not) like the Emperor, Gork and Mork, the Eldar Gods, and a TON of small entities that are more in the power leve lof daemons than gods that aren't aligned with one of the 4.
Bolded part, I'm not so sure that Gork and Mork (or Mork and Gork) are weaker than the Chaos gods. There's some fluff where they beat Khorne or Nurgle without breaking a sweat.
All fluff notes that Gork/Mork are substantially stronger than the Big Four.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/01/15 15:29:35
Subject: Non-aligned Chaos entities, are there any?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Be'lakor is unaligned.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/01/15 15:39:44
Subject: Non-aligned Chaos entities, are there any?
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Potent Possessed Daemonvessel
Why Aye Ya Canny Dakkanaughts!
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Frazzled wrote:tedurur wrote: Galas wrote:Chaos Gods aren't ALL that it is on the warp. They are the most powerfull entities, with other entities existing (Or not) like the Emperor, Gork and Mork, the Eldar Gods, and a TON of small entities that are more in the power leve lof daemons than gods that aren't aligned with one of the 4.
Bolded part, I'm not so sure that Gork and Mork (or Mork and Gork) are weaker than the Chaos gods. There's some fluff where they beat Khorne or Nurgle without breaking a sweat.
All fluff notes that Gork/Mork are substantially stronger than the Big Four.
Citation needed. Some fluff has suggested that Nurgle got the snot beaten out of him by these pair but that is it, and even that legend is ambiguous.
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Ghorros wrote:The moral of the story: Don't park your Imperial Knight in a field of Gretchin carrying power tools.
Marmatag wrote:All the while, my opponent is furious, throwing his codex on the floor, trying to slash his wrists with safety scissors. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/01/15 17:30:52
Subject: Non-aligned Chaos entities, are there any?
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
Vigo. Spain.
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Gork and Mork power, just like Nurgle, is very inconsistent. Probably in times of very big Waaaghs! Like Ullanor, or The Beast saga, etc... they could become more powerfull than the big 4, just like Nurgle becomes the most powerfull Chaos God in times of great galactic plagues.
But in a "general" sense I believe Gork and Mork are at least less powerfull than Khorne and Tzeentch, the Top 2 of the Chaos Gods. I believe they are probably more powerfull than Slaanesh all the time.
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Crimson Devil wrote:
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote:Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/01/15 21:29:02
Subject: Non-aligned Chaos entities, are there any?
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Stabbin' Skarboy
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Nuffle is a Chaos God in the Warp. Just remember to pray to him... or not. Nuffle does not care if you pray to him or not. There is no known way to avoid his attentions, or to draw them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/01/16 00:32:29
Subject: Re:Non-aligned Chaos entities, are there any?
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Fixture of Dakka
West Michigan, deep in Whitebread, USA
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I imagine non-Aligned daemonic entities as being animalistic, with anything approaching sentience being reserved for ones created/empowered by the 4 Gods.
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