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3x 10 man tactical squads W/MM Grav gun - thunderhammer grav pistol on sargent
Redemptor Dread with Plasma and heavy flamer +2x fragstorm launchers
Ironclad dread
6x Dev Centurians 2x las and centurian missle system (155 points per model with 3 wounds)
If we fail to anticipate the unforeseen or expect the unexpected in a universe of infinite possibilities, we may find ourselves at the mercy of anyone or anything that cannot be programmed, categorized or easily referenced.
- Fox Mulder
Wyches and Incubi footslogging accomponied by small units of hellions and reavers and a few Cronos. Cronos cant really do a whole lot in close combat and their shooting is all strength 3.
Also Lellith would have to be one of the HQs for sure. she is very points heavy and pretty terrible nowadays.
Tau:
Either
2x fireblade
3x 9 crisis body guards w/ 1 FB, DCs (poor damage, easy to kill, no range, no drones, paying for a useless ability. Total 2001)
or
1x Fireblade
3x 3 Broadsides w/ rail rifles, SMS, and DCs 1x 1 Broadside w/ rail rifle, SMS, DC 1x 2 Heavy Drones w/ 2 BCs
Slightly better fire power, but more expensive than a dreadnought for WAY worse firepower, and hilariously bad durability in comparison (T5 6W 2+). (each broadside is more expensive than a dread, and only gets BS4+ )
Drones are just to fill points. (1998 total)
I'm sure with a few tweaks this could be worse, but it'd involve more math hammering than I want to. (also I don't have the codex on me, but if you can replace a weapon with a wargear option instead like a DC, that'd be a way to make the list worse)
Not a battalion however.
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bittersashes wrote:One guy down at my gaming club swore he saw an objective flag take out a full unit of Bane Thralls.
2018/02/12 21:38:17
Subject: Re:The worst possible list for your faction
This is actually a little more challenging of an order than it initially sounds, because we don't have that many unique units, so at some point in time to meet the highlander rule we have to field actually good units, and St.C and the Seraphim alone can make a fairly significant impact on a battlefield with armies not optimized for worst performance. It also does have a lot of multimeltas and lots of padding for them, but I couldn't really think of worse things to assign.
Space Wolves
Spoiler:
Iron Priest, Thunder Hammer, Bolt Pistol
Wolf Priest in Terminator Armor, Combi Flamer
Wolf Guard Terminators x10, x10 C.Fist, x10 Combi-Flamer
Wolf Guard x10, x10 P.Fist, x10 Combi-Flamer
Whirlwind, Vengeance Launcher
Vindicator
The goal here is to have as many chainfists and combi-flamers as possible, to make each model's price-to-ineffectiveness ratio make Grey Knight players trying to win feel better about themselves. The 8" range on the combi-flamers ensures that they lose a lot of the power from their deepstrike and outflank, and the chainfists are just absurdly expensive for what they add to the model's ability. However, on turn 2 whatever's left is going to hit like a freight train, and I'd be somewhat concerned that another engineered-for-badness list won't be able to kill them.
Imperial Guard
Spoiler:
Lord Commissar, Power Fist
Tank Commander Vanquisher, Heavy Flamer x3
Infantry, Flamer, Power Axe
Scions x5, Flamer
Conscripts x30
Platoon Commander
Leman Russ Vanquishers x3, Heavy Flamer x9, Track Guards x3, Dozer Blade x3
Leman Russ Sygies Vanquishers x3, Heavy Flamer x9
Deathstrike, Heavy Flamer, Track Guards, Dozer Blade, Augur Array
Vanquishers are garbage, so fit them with expensive and short ranged weapons for maximum badness. Fortunately, there are 2 different kinds of vanquishers, neither good, and they come in groups of 3, so that gets around the highlander problem nicely.
You do win. I don't think anyone else can even bring that many unarmed units.
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JNAProductions wrote: HQs 134-Shield Captain with Sentinel Blade and Storm Shield
134-Shield Captain with Sentinel Blade and Storm Shield
Troops 177-3 Custodian Guard, Storm Shields and Sentinel Blades
177-3 Custodian Guard, Storm Shields and Sentinel Blades
177-3 Custodian Guard, Storm Shields and Sentinel Blades
Heavy Support 400-Venerable Land Raider
400-Venerable Land Raider
400-Venerable Land Raider
1,999 Points
Give a Captain the Eagle's Eye, to waste your Relic.
Personally I'm not sure the Land Raiders are actually worse than taking a bunch more shield/sword Guards, given that they let you move faster and engage targets outside 12".
True, but they're also 400 points for not very many shots. Take nothing but Guard, and you have a decent (if small) horde.
One thing I might do is add some Vexila Allarus with Vexila Defensors. Allarus because nothing else is deepstriking, so that's wasted, and they cost more points. Defensors because all Custodes (excepting the Raiders) have a 5+ invuln base, so it's useless.
Even worse (better?): Normal Vexilla with Vexilla Defensors and Storm Shields. Expensive, useless flag, and unarmed.
tneva82 wrote: Wonder how many have even read conditions Battallion only, no spamming multiple times same choice unless required to fill in mandatory FOC slots.
Screw that, i want to see the WORST 2k list of all time, not this "battalion" crap!
Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia
2018/02/13 01:32:36
Subject: Re:The worst possible list for your faction
Trying to stretch the "as much unarmed/wildly underarmed stuff as you can find" theme for a moment.
HQ: Lord-Commissar (powerfist, power sword) (65pts), Primaris-Psyker (28pts)
Troops: 3x 10 Guardsmen, flamers (141pts)
Elites: 10 Ogryn (300pts), Atlas recovery tank (98pts), Special weapon squad (flamers) (78pts)
Fast Attack: 3 Powerlifter Sentinels (135pts), 3 heavy flamer Armoured Sentinels (171pts), 3 heavy flamer Scout Sentinels (156pts)
Heavy Support: Leman Russ Demolisher, 3 heavy flamers (213pts)
Transports: Trojan (98pts), Centaur (54pts)
Flyers: Aquila (118pts), 3 unarmed Arvuses (345pts)
For your 1,999pts you get a huge number of unarmed vehicles or vehicles with a single heavy bolter, a huge number of flamers on targets with no way to close with the enemy, no Orders, and an Ogryn unit.
Addendum: Without the no-duplicates restriction I can get a lot of unarmed Arvuses and single-heavy-bolter Trojans into a list.
tneva82 wrote: Wonder how many have even read conditions Battallion only, no spamming multiple times same choice unless required to fill in mandatory FOC slots.
Screw that, i want to see the WORST 2k list of all time, not this "battalion" crap!
Huh. I thought I'd have a solid go at this (not because my faction's bad—it's not, not by any stretch—but because I thought I knew its weaknesses well enough to lol them out pretty quickly).
After about 1400 points of truly worthless, 5" foot-slogging melee garbage, I realized I'd be forced to choose some actually effective choices. Even in this all-1W-dudes meta, I'd have no choice but to actually cause some damage after a certain point.
LOL I hear that. bring a tank heavy list and you find your opponent has lots of tank crackers. infantry heavy and "... wow those are a lotta flamers" etc. sometimes your luck is just that gak LOL
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
2018/02/13 05:38:41
Subject: Re:The worst possible list for your faction
8 dominions/ 4 flamers Heavy Support: exorcist stormbolter/hunter killer missile 1 penitent engine 8 Retributers 2 heavy flamers/2 multi-meltas Squads with dysfunctional weapons, slow moving, no way to capitalize on AoF, and needless models from the elites section.
My take on a crappy sisters list.
edit: I missed the as much diversity as possible requirement. I'll update in just a bit.
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tneva82 wrote: Wonder how many have even read conditions Battallion only, no spamming multiple times same choice unless required to fill in mandatory FOC slots.
I did. Mine is a battalion, and all slots are different. I could've done a lot worse otherwise, especially with the negative CP detachment available.
Yeah, but that's the point. To see unit diversity from a different perspective. Also, i have a feeling that such games would be super enjoyable. Where else could you possibly see 15 burnas led by a megamek crashing against warlock conclave. Btw, don't you choose psy powers at the start of the game? It might screw up the list a bit and make it more potent than intended.
That's a fun list. But it might be a bit too good with a deepstriking strategem for rubrics and granted that a lot of armies won't have d2 weapons for this format, they have a potential to crush stuff.
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Mewens wrote: Huh. I thought I'd have a solid go at this (not because my faction's bad—it's not, not by any stretch—but because I thought I knew its weaknesses well enough to lol them out pretty quickly).
After about 1400 points of truly worthless, 5" foot-slogging melee garbage, I realized I'd be forced to choose some actually effective choices. Even in this all-1W-dudes meta, I'd have no choice but to actually cause some damage after a certain point.
Huh, food for thought.
This guy got it right.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I was dreading the moment tau would come along. Gunless dudes won 7th either.
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Well, this DG list is actually pretty fluffy And the PM blob supported by the palanquin lord and Surgeon could actually do something if it reached melee. Same with the terminators. I still tried to take the worst load outs possible.
Let's see...
All Heavy thunderhammer, all the time...
HQ:
3 watch captains with pairs of bolt pistols and nothing else
Troops:
9 Deathwatch vets with Heavy Thunder hammers
9 Deathwatch vets with Heavy Thunder hammers
9 Deathwatch vets with Heavy Thunder hammers
9 Deathwatch vets with Heavy Thunder hammers
And that goes up to 1986 points...
Now I have to go paint some heavy thunder hammers...
Let's see...
All Heavy thunderhammer, all the time...
HQ:
3 watch captains with pairs of bolt pistols and nothing else
Troops:
9 Deathwatch vets with Heavy Thunder hammers
9 Deathwatch vets with Heavy Thunder hammers
9 Deathwatch vets with Heavy Thunder hammers
9 Deathwatch vets with Heavy Thunder hammers
And that goes up to 1986 points...
Now I have to go paint some heavy thunder hammers...
Ah, of course I hadn't read the rules properly in the first post about duplicates.
Here is a bit of a changed list
HQ:
2 watch captains with pairs of bolt pistols and nothing else
Troops:
10 Deathwatch vets with Heavy Thunder hammers
10 Deathwatch vets with Heavy Thunder hammers
10 Deathwatch vets with Heavy Thunder hammers
Elites:
1 Venerable dread with plasma cannon
5 Terminators with storm bolters and powerfists
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Work in progress p&m blog :
United Colors of Chaos , Relating my ongoing battle with grey plastic...
2022 hobby running tally: bought: 71, built: 45, painted: 17, games played: 3
10000pts 4000pts 5000pts 1500pts
How bad are centurions? Seems like you can have around 1k pts in a single unit of devastator centurions alone. But they do have a bunch of lazcannons. BTW did you know that most marine sarges can take two thunder hammers?
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koooaei wrote: BTW did you know that most marine sarges can take two thunder hammers?
From the moment I realised that double Power fist was a possibility, double hammer didn't even cross my mind...
*digs through his codex*
Dammit, no double hammer terminator...
But all my vets and vanguard vets can do it, though...
Bwahahaha!
*wanders off to find left and right hammers...*
Work in progress p&m blog :
United Colors of Chaos , Relating my ongoing battle with grey plastic...
2022 hobby running tally: bought: 71, built: 45, painted: 17, games played: 3
10000pts 4000pts 5000pts 1500pts
2 units of 10 Terminators with 10 hammers, 8 storm bolters and, 2 incinerators = 1292 point
1 unit of 10 Strike squad with 8 hammers, 8 storm bolters and, 2 ininerators = 346
leaving 362 points for HQs.
2018/02/13 13:22:45
Subject: Re:The worst possible list for your faction
I got one for Blood Angels. I dare you to get within Flamer range!!!! Buuuttt, any army outside of 8" essentially shuts down all the shooting in this trash tier list.
Tactical Squad [9 PL, 157pts] . 7x Space Marine
. Space Marine (Heavy weapon): Heavy flamer
. Space Marine (Special weapon): Flamer
. Space Marine Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Hand flamer
Tactical Squad [9 PL, 157pts] . 7x Space Marine
. Space Marine (Heavy weapon): Heavy flamer
. Space Marine (Special weapon): Flamer
. Space Marine Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Hand flamer
+ Elites +
Death Company [16 PL, 300pts] . Death Company Marine: Hand flamer, Power fist
. Death Company Marine: Hand flamer, Power fist
. Death Company Marine: Hand flamer, Power fist
. Death Company Marine: Hand flamer, Power fist
. Death Company Marine: Hand flamer, Power fist
. Death Company Marine: Hand flamer, Power fist
. Death Company Marine: Hand flamer, Power fist
. Death Company Marine: Hand flamer, Power fist
. Death Company Marine: Hand flamer, Power fist
. Death Company Marine: Hand flamer, Power fist
Dreadnought [7 PL, 161pts]: Twin heavy flamer
. Dreadnought combat weapon with ranged weapon: Dreadnought combat weapon, Heavy flamer
Vanguard Veteran Squad [14 PL, 220pts] . Space Marine Veteran: Hand flamer, Storm shield
. Space Marine Veteran: Hand flamer, Storm shield
. Space Marine Veteran: Hand flamer, Storm shield
. Space Marine Veteran: Hand flamer, Storm shield
. Space Marine Veteran: Hand flamer, Storm shield
. Space Marine Veteran: Hand flamer, Storm shield
. Space Marine Veteran: Hand flamer, Storm shield
. Space Marine Veteran: Hand flamer, Storm shield
. Space Marine Veteran: Hand flamer, Storm shield
. Veteran Sergeant: Hand flamer, Storm shield
+ Fast Attack +
Assault Squad [9 PL, 149pts] . Space Marine Sergeant: Chainsword, Hand flamer
. 7x Space Marine w/ bolt pistol and chainsword
. Space Marine w/ special weapon: Flamer
. Space Marine w/ special weapon: Flamer
Land Speeders [6 PL, 104pts] . Land Speeder: Heavy flamer, Heavy flamer
+ Heavy Support +
Baal Predator [8 PL, 130pts]: Flamestorm cannon
Devastator Squad [11 PL, 204pts]: Armorium Cherub
. Space Marine: Heavy flamer
. Space Marine: Heavy flamer
. Space Marine: Heavy flamer
. Space Marine: Heavy flamer
. Space Marine: Boltgun
. Space Marine: Boltgun
. Space Marine: Boltgun
. Space Marine: Boltgun
. Space Marine: Boltgun
. Space Marine Sergeant: Hand flamer
++ Total: [113 PL, 2002pts] ++
I was laughing my butt off making this. Nobody will expect Storm Shield and Hand Flamer Vanguard Vets walking across the board! Nobody! Hidden gem of the Blood Angels.
2018/02/13 13:35:29
Subject: Re:The worst possible list for your faction
HQ Sgt Chronus in a rhino - 112 points
Captain in Terminator armour with two thunder hammers to increase cost whilst decreasing synergy 144 points. He either stays back to buff and does nothing himself, or goes with the centurion assault squad his buffs don't help the flamers.
Troops
Intercessors squad, scout squad and 10 mean tac squad, all unupgraded - 275 points. The scouts could potentially help with board control, which is why they've been left unbuffed. The tac squad is up to ten men but not upgrades to make sure they achieve nothing.
Elites -
Servitors - only 60 points, but really really bad.
Centurion Assault squad - keep the flamers to make them rubbish. 6 of these fellas to prevent them drop-podding adds up to a whopping 444 and you just know they aren't making those points back.
Heavy Support -
Centurion Devastator Squad. Keep the heavy bolters and take six of these fellas. Now, they might be able to do some damage and soak up a lot of damage, but oh boy, 660 points is a lot! Possibly your best unit, but still only Str 5.
Hunter and Stalker and hope your opponent brought no flyers - 199 points.
Flyers -
None - you don't want air superiority, after all.
Dedicated transport
1 drop pod. Because they are overcosted and you have nothing worth putting in it anyway.
That leaves 23 points to buy some pointless upgrades for the wrong units. I think that is imprssively awful.
Though guards may sleep and ships may lay at anchor, our foes know full well that big guns never tire.
I was laughing my butt off making this. Nobody will expect Storm Shield and Hand Flamer Vanguard Vets walking across the board! Nobody! Hidden gem of the Blood Angels.
Blood Angel Riot Team!
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I was laughing my butt off making this. Nobody will expect Storm Shield and Hand Flamer Vanguard Vets walking across the board! Nobody! Hidden gem of the Blood Angels.
Blood Angel Riot Team!
Fighting riots with flamethrowers? Now that’s grimdark!
40k drinking game: take a shot everytime a book references Skitarii using transports.
that’s almost artistic in it’s ineffectiveness. You win hands down.
15k+
Emperor's Spears 2500
Beastmen 10k
4000pts 
5000pts 
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