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So Primarchs and Custodes are created using different methods than the Astartes. Do Primarchs and Custodes have all the extra organs and implants that Astartes have? I know neither goes through any kind of surgery, they are just altered on a genetic level. Are Custodes and Primarchs just superhuman but biologically identical to humans or do they share some of the weird stuff Astartes are implanted with?

Primarchs are not biologically identical to humans. For example, in Gav Thorpe's Lorgar novel, the young Lorgar is initially corrected by a mentor when he says he hears his two heartbeats, but when Lorgar insists he hears two, the mentor takes a listen and also hears two, therefore Lorgar has two hearts. As Lorgar had had no surgery, he must have been created with two hearts from the very beginning.

Neither are certainly biologically like normal humans. I'd assume that the Primarchs have all the marine organs as marines are based on them. One of the new Primaris organs is explicitly said to exists in Primarchs too.

No idea about Custodes, they can be completely different. Or maybe not, if Primarchs further development of the Custodes creation tech.

I'd guess that the primarchs naturally have all the special organs that normal space marines have.

B1okHead wrote:
I'd guess that the primarchs naturally have all the special organs that normal space marines have.

that'd be my guess, although the Primaris fluff as well as the HH novels imply they also have a lot more.

I like to imagine that each step from primarch to custodian all the way down to the humble tactical marine is a watering down of organic quality and stock, even if the initial templates may differ. There are likely similarities in terms of internal composition that makes them all so resilient.

Rajah wrote:
So Primarchs and Custodes are created using different methods than the Astartes.

Completely different. Primarch were born. They were at some point babies.

Do Primarchs and Custodes have all the extra organs and implants that Astartes have? I know neither goes through any kind of surgery, they are just altered on a genetic level. Are Custodes and Primarchs just superhuman but biologically identical to humans or do they share some of the weird stuff Astartes are implanted with?

As they were born, they dont have any implants.

Remember space marines have 2 sets of genetic code. Some from their previous human selves and some from their primarch. Lots of additional things to regulate that process and some vestigal parts of their former human selves that are not needed anymore.

Space marines also have their geneseed glands that make more space marines. Primarchs dont have those.

 Exergy wrote:

Rajah wrote:
So Primarchs and Custodes are created using different methods than the Astartes.

Completely different. Primarch were born. They were at some point babies.

Do Primarchs and Custodes have all the extra organs and implants that Astartes have? I know neither goes through any kind of surgery, they are just altered on a genetic level. Are Custodes and Primarchs just superhuman but biologically identical to humans or do they share some of the weird stuff Astartes are implanted with?

As they were born, they dont have any implants.

Remember space marines have 2 sets of genetic code. Some from their previous human selves and some from their primarch. Lots of additional things to regulate that process and some vestigal parts of their former human selves that are not needed anymore.

Space marines also have their geneseed glands that make more space marines. Primarchs dont have those.

This is a weird one but bare with me.

Fulgrim was a baby on terra in the incubator, he gets whisked away by the gods... or the emperor, that's kind of up in the air.

He arrives on chemos... but not as a baby, he is a ball of energy, when the humans approach he takes the form of a baby, one of them wants to kill him immediately but the other two, a man and a woman, well they have their maternity instincts activated (literally tuned on) and kill the third person and take fulgrim home.

Very weird, it's in reflection crack'd IIRC

 Formosa wrote:

 Exergy wrote:

Rajah wrote:
So Primarchs and Custodes are created using different methods than the Astartes.

Completely different. Primarch were born. They were at some point babies.

Do Primarchs and Custodes have all the extra organs and implants that Astartes have? I know neither goes through any kind of surgery, they are just altered on a genetic level. Are Custodes and Primarchs just superhuman but biologically identical to humans or do they share some of the weird stuff Astartes are implanted with?

As they were born, they dont have any implants.

Remember space marines have 2 sets of genetic code. Some from their previous human selves and some from their primarch. Lots of additional things to regulate that process and some vestigal parts of their former human selves that are not needed anymore.

Space marines also have their geneseed glands that make more space marines. Primarchs dont have those.

This is a weird one but bare with me.

Fulgrim was a baby on terra in the incubator, he gets whisked away by the gods... or the emperor, that's kind of up in the air.

He arrives on chemos... but not as a baby, he is a ball of energy, when the humans approach he takes the form of a baby, one of them wants to kill him immediately but the other two, a man and a woman, well they have their maternity instincts activated (literally tuned on) and kill the third person and take fulgrim home.

Very weird, it's in reflection crack'd IIRC

Why an energy ball ? As much as I like the idea (and I do), we know the Primarchs were sent accross the galaxy in their gestation pods, which I also like because it gives off a Dragon Ball kind of vibe, with Goku being sent in a space pod to take control of Earth

Engrenages wrote:

 Formosa wrote:

 Exergy wrote:

Rajah wrote:
So Primarchs and Custodes are created using different methods than the Astartes.

Completely different. Primarch were born. They were at some point babies.

Do Primarchs and Custodes have all the extra organs and implants that Astartes have? I know neither goes through any kind of surgery, they are just altered on a genetic level. Are Custodes and Primarchs just superhuman but biologically identical to humans or do they share some of the weird stuff Astartes are implanted with?

As they were born, they dont have any implants.

Remember space marines have 2 sets of genetic code. Some from their previous human selves and some from their primarch. Lots of additional things to regulate that process and some vestigal parts of their former human selves that are not needed anymore.

Space marines also have their geneseed glands that make more space marines. Primarchs dont have those.

This is a weird one but bare with me.

Fulgrim was a baby on terra in the incubator, he gets whisked away by the gods... or the emperor, that's kind of up in the air.

He arrives on chemos... but not as a baby, he is a ball of energy, when the humans approach he takes the form of a baby, one of them wants to kill him immediately but the other two, a man and a woman, well they have their maternity instincts activated (literally tuned on) and kill the third person and take fulgrim home.

Very weird, it's in reflection crack'd IIRC

Why an energy ball ? As much as I like the idea (and I do), we know the Primarchs were sent accross the galaxy in their gestation pods, which I also like because it gives off a Dragon Ball kind of vibe, with Goku being sent in a space pod to take control of Earth

I have some ideas but... well it's pure conjecture.

It was the primarchs "soul" looking for what it is, to imprint the human form on it.

It was the residual effect of slaanesh marking fulgrims soul.

This is the form the nascent primarchs took to survive the warp.

The primarchs are really greater daemons of the emperor.

All boils down to... not a clue.