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I think this is an unexpected and very cool box. The biggest shame is that Armigers are single-weapon options. That's really weak for a brand new kit. I do imagine there are additional "versions" planned for the future, but that kind of nonsense bugs me. Just sell a full and proper kit.

If they end up with a bunch of options, I could see a fun Dark Mechanicus "Light cavalry" Armiger force lead by a Knight or two.

 Elbows wrote:
I think this is an unexpected and very cool box. The biggest shame is that Armigers are single-weapon options. That's really weak for a brand new kit. I do imagine there are additional "versions" planned for the future, but that kind of nonsense bugs me. Just sell a full and proper kit.

If they end up with a bunch of options, I could see a fun Dark Mechanicus "Light cavalry" Armiger force lead by a Knight or two.

I get the feeling that all the stuff for the Armiger variant is going to be on a sprue/set of sprues that will make it so there's not really anything wasted.

Armiger is the chassis designation and Warglaive is the variant name. So hopefully, we'll see Armiger variants in the future other than the current, judging from the melta weaponry up top, vehicle / MC hunter game beater we've got now

Chikout wrote:
The old minis in the box come to about £110 seperately . So the box will probably cost £100.
“the set will cost you less than getting everything inside separately, and that’s BEFORE you count the new Cryptek and Imperial Knight units.”

This right here is the real important takeaway from this announcement.

This settles it, then.
I've been making preparations here and there but I'm officially taking the plunge on the Mechanicus army with this box set. And also my Necrons are getting some reinforcements (of models that I actually want).

Can't wait for this one.

Aw, can’t use Armiger in ‘no lord of war allow’ tournament.

Cryptek With one eye? Is there alternate head for Cryptek?

Solidcrash wrote:
Aw, can’t use Armiger in ‘no lord of war allow’ tournament.

Cryptek With one eye? Is there alternate head for Cryptek?

"Official" Crypteks have always been one-eyed

Yeah, crypteks were always cyclopean.

 BrookM wrote:
Armiger is the chassis designation and Warglaive is the variant name. So hopefully, we'll see Armiger variants in the future other than the current, judging from the melta weaponry up top, vehicle / MC hunter game beater we've got now

At the very least, it has multiple carapace weapons:

One on the left has a Heavy Phosphor Blaster or some kind of Heavy Stubber while the one on the right has the Melta.

I really, really want to see a better picture of the sprue breakdown.

TheDraconicLord wrote:

Solidcrash wrote:
Aw, can’t use Armiger in ‘no lord of war allow’ tournament.

Cryptek With one eye? Is there alternate head for Cryptek?

"Official" Crypteks have always been one-eyed

Spoiler:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:Yeah, crypteks were always cyclopean.

I brought Necron in 4th edition, and I haven’t brought anything.. It’s my first time to ‘look’ at Modern Necron since!

Solidcrash wrote:

TheDraconicLord wrote:

Solidcrash wrote:
Aw, can’t use Armiger in ‘no lord of war allow’ tournament.

Cryptek With one eye? Is there alternate head for Cryptek?

"Official" Crypteks have always been one-eyed

Spoiler:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:Yeah, crypteks were always cyclopean.

I brought Necron in 4th edition, and I haven’t brought anything.. It’s my first time to ‘look’ at Modern Necron since!

Well, crypteks were only introduced in 5th ed
Note that only deathmarks and crypteks have the single eye. Every other necron still has 2 eyes, or 3 if you count praetorians.
Why, I don't know. Looks cool though.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Well, crypteks were only introduced in 5th ed
Note that only deathmarks and crypteks have the single eye. Every other necron still has 2 eyes, or 3 if you count praetorians.
Why, I don't know. Looks cool though.

Just to help keep them visually distinct I imagine. Crypteks were basically them taking the "magic" abilities that lords used to have and making a dedicated unit that specialized in that, while leaving lords/overlords as the more combat-oriented HQ choice.

Agreed on looking cool. I think Deathmarks in particular look really sinister.

As far as the Armigers go, with previous similar box sets it seems like the load-out has been set by the background of the unit taking part in the actual battle. Is it possible that the Armigers actually do come with other weapon options and that the thermal lance is mentioned specifically as that is the weapons used during the actual fluff battle?

I wonder if the different heads on the Armigers represent some kind of wargear option or are purely cosmetic.
Also, they look a lot like scaled-down Warhounds (except I never saw Warhounds with melee weapons back in the day).

Finally, because I don't have the index to hand, are lychguard currently able to take two swords? I see that one is kitted out with that option but don't remember it being legal ... unless it is an option that will appear in the new codex (and presumably in the boxed set datasheets). Maybe I just missed it (I have no lychguard models but field some Pariahs as Warscyth lychguard from time to time)

Mark.

It's meant to be an enhanced optic. The average Necron Lord isn't a big fan of modifying the general form of his body, but Deathmarks were explicitly given the fancy enhanced vision due to their role, and presumably it caught on in the scientist caste soon after.

Cheeslord wrote:
I wonder if the different heads on the Armigers represent some kind of wargear option or are purely cosmetic.Mark.

None of the variant heads for the other knights have any special rules. I doubt these do, either.

Only interested in two models from the box- the Knight Armigers. Probably buy one box and part out the contents. Or do I wait until GW pushes out a Knight Armiger box set with more weapon options? I'd ultimately like to get four of them so I can do a Super Heavy Detachment with a Knight Titan. The weapons on the Armigers though...! A Melta Cannon (Bleh!), big chain sword and what looks like a Heavy Stubber? GImmie a mini Turbo Laser or Avenger Bolt Cannon please!

How long before we get the the 40K rules for the Armigers I wonder?

The box set looks cool, and over at the Warhammer Community page, they said it's a huge discount over what it would cost for the Admech and Necrons separately, and not including the Armigers! Excellent marketing there, Gee Dub! I foresee many new Admech and Necron armies in the near future, especially when the Necron codex is on the way.

 Kanluwen wrote:

phillv85 wrote:
I imagine these Armigers will come with a single choice but the kit will have extra options, like the Bloat Drone in Dark Imperium.

You would imagine wrong. These items would be the full kit as what would be sold rather than an easy build variant.

It could be an Imperial Knight: Renegade situation. That is, the box does not include all the sprues that will come in the separate box.

So look like the "ancient evil" tease for WD April is this box.

 Mymearan wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

phillv85 wrote:
I imagine these Armigers will come with a single choice but the kit will have extra options, like the Bloat Drone in Dark Imperium.

You would imagine wrong. These items would be the full kit as what would be sold rather than an easy build variant.

It could be an Imperial Knight: Renegade situation. That is, the box does not include all the sprues that will come in the separate box.

Imperial Knight: Renegade came with all the sprues--the caveat was that it was two different Knight boxes.

There's the Knight Paladin/Errant box which is the original Imperial Knight box at $140USD. The Knight Warden/Gallant/Crusader is $157USD and has the other sprue.

 Mymearan wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

phillv85 wrote:
I imagine these Armigers will come with a single choice but the kit will have extra options, like the Bloat Drone in Dark Imperium.

You would imagine wrong. These items would be the full kit as what would be sold rather than an easy build variant.

It could be an Imperial Knight: Renegade situation. That is, the box does not include all the sprues that will come in the separate box.

With Renegade though, one upgrade sprue is technically enough for two Knights when it comes to carapace mounts and the newer weapon options.

Bah, as if I don't have enough things on the grey mountain...

I suspect the individually-packed Armiger kit will include a sprue of different weapons and thus be a reason to buy the $60 box for it rather than just buying up lots of Forgebane boxes. The box price is just a guess based on Dreadnought-sized models mind you, I don't have any insider information. Still, an effective marketing ploy as if people aren't fussed about the weapon options they have a "cheap" way of getting them, but it also drives sales for the 3rd entry if there's 4 weapons on it to mix/match with the Forgebane ones.

Now, back to waiting for the release to hit...

 Kanluwen wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Armiger is the chassis designation and Warglaive is the variant name. So hopefully, we'll see Armiger variants in the future other than the current, judging from the melta weaponry up top, vehicle / MC hunter game beater we've got now

At the very least, it has multiple carapace weapons:

One on the left has a Heavy Phosphor Blaster or some kind of Heavy Stubber while the one on the right has the Melta.

I really, really want to see a better picture of the sprue breakdown.

The article mentions a Thermal Spear. So that is either the name of the arm Meltagun or it is a weapon option that replaces the Chainsword.

If I were to hazard a guess, I'd say €50,- to €65,- for the Armiger on its own.


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 casvalremdeikun wrote:
The article mentions a Thermal Spear. So that is either the name of the arm Meltagun or it is a weapon option that replaces the Chainsword.

If it came with more arm options, they'd build one of the two with it for sure, but as is, what you see is all that you get.

 Krinsath wrote:
Bah, as if I don't have enough things on the grey mountain...

I suspect the individually-packed Armiger kit will include a sprue of different weapons and thus be a reason to buy the $60 box for it rather than just buying up lots of Forgebane boxes. The box price is just a guess based on Dreadnought-sized models mind you, I don't have any insider information. Still, an effective marketing ploy as if people aren't fussed about the weapon options they have a "cheap" way of getting them, but it also drives sales for the 3rd entry if there's 4 weapons on it to mix/match with the Forgebane ones.

Now, back to waiting for the release to hit...

If I'm going to be honest, that's a bit of a leap. They never cut sprues out of boxes just to make one version 'less cost effective' than another.

And before someone says "Renegades!" again--no. They billed it as a Knight Warden and a Knight Errant/Paladin.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Krinsath wrote:
Bah, as if I don't have enough things on the grey mountain...

I suspect the individually-packed Armiger kit will include a sprue of different weapons and thus be a reason to buy the $60 box for it rather than just buying up lots of Forgebane boxes. The box price is just a guess based on Dreadnought-sized models mind you, I don't have any insider information. Still, an effective marketing ploy as if people aren't fussed about the weapon options they have a "cheap" way of getting them, but it also drives sales for the 3rd entry if there's 4 weapons on it to mix/match with the Forgebane ones.

Now, back to waiting for the release to hit...

If I'm going to be honest, that's a bit of a leap. They never cut sprues out of boxes just to make one version 'less cost effective' than another.

And before someone says "Renegades!" again--no. They billed it as a Knight Warden and a Knight Errant/Paladin.

Looking at the sprues, it looks like the two weapon arms are on a sprue by themselves with the shoulder pads. I could easily a future small knight kit that just replaces that with a different set of shoulders and weapons.

Hopefully a chaos datasheet will come out for these babyknights, I might be interested depending on their speed. Two of those flanking a Kytan might be fun if their melee weapons are good enough or they get some stomp attacks. Might also be the push to get me an actual Knight.

Great looking boxed set. I would consider getting this even though I don't play Ad Mech or Necrons, the models just look that good.

It looks like the box comes with standard 8th edition rules. So no Betrayal at Calth special scenarios.

Demerean wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Krinsath wrote:
Bah, as if I don't have enough things on the grey mountain...

I suspect the individually-packed Armiger kit will include a sprue of different weapons and thus be a reason to buy the $60 box for it rather than just buying up lots of Forgebane boxes. The box price is just a guess based on Dreadnought-sized models mind you, I don't have any insider information. Still, an effective marketing ploy as if people aren't fussed about the weapon options they have a "cheap" way of getting them, but it also drives sales for the 3rd entry if there's 4 weapons on it to mix/match with the Forgebane ones.

Now, back to waiting for the release to hit...

If I'm going to be honest, that's a bit of a leap. They never cut sprues out of boxes just to make one version 'less cost effective' than another.

And before someone says "Renegades!" again--no. They billed it as a Knight Warden and a Knight Errant/Paladin.

Looking at the sprues, it looks like the two weapon arms are on a sprue by themselves with the shoulder pads. I could easily a future small knight kit that just replaces that with a different set of shoulders and weapons.

That's kind of where I'm thinking it'll go; with enough different stuff to make them genuinely different kits.

I wonder if the instructions for them were made exclusively for the box or if they're going to come 2 to a box.

The real question now is "How do you make this set use all models for the same army? Skeletal Mechanicus or a Necron force with Ranger-like Warriors and bi-pedal Triarch stalkers?"

 andysonic1 wrote:
Hopefully a chaos datasheet will come out for these babyknights, I might be interested depending on their speed. Two of those flanking a Kytan might be fun if their melee weapons are good enough or they get some stomp attacks. Might also be the push to get me an actual Knight.

I've been speculating/hoping that when we get a "Knights" Codex it will include Chaos Knights in it as well. Wouldn't be hard to have it so that the keywords would affect Allies IMO.