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Just a heads up for people who are wondering, every bit of relevant rules for the armiger have been spoiled, including points cost, in this very thread. It has no secret abilities we weren't aware of, no secret scout move, no fancy mortal wound mechanic, etc. It's just a baby knight with a melta cannon.

As for why we only got the admech sprue, my guess is the regular knight variant sprue must have had some sort of issue that kept it from being thrown in. Perhaps a bad mould, bad batch of material, Bob in receiving dropped the crate holding that sprue down the elevator shaft and ruined them, who knows. Because should've been two extra sprues. After all, the body is 3 sprues linked together. Why would the other only have 2? Which points to an Imperial sprue and either a 3rd sprue with far more weapons or perhaps a 3rd sprue being used for a free blade variant.

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
Just a heads up for people who are wondering, every bit of relevant rules for the armiger have been spoiled, including points cost, in this very thread. It has no secret abilities we weren't aware of, no secret scout move, no fancy mortal wound mechanic, etc. It's just a baby knight with a melta cannon.

As for why we only got the admech sprue, my guess is the regular knight variant sprue must have had some sort of issue that kept it from being thrown in. Perhaps a bad mould, bad batch of material, Bob in receiving dropped the crate holding that sprue down the elevator shaft and ruined them, who knows. Because should've been two extra sprues. After all, the body is 3 sprues linked together. Why would the other only have 2? Which points to an Imperial sprue and either a 3rd sprue with far more weapons or perhaps a 3rd sprue being used for a free blade variant.

Why people are inventing all sort of weird theories when partial release in big box and full kit later is fairly standard release pattern for GW.

Indeed. It's not accident or capacity planning. GW simply chose to include a basic version so they can release the other later, so people will buy twice. Standard GW MO.

If you look at the House Terryn Armiger Warglaives in the Castellan reveal video, they are equipped with the "ad mech" armour plates, which makes me think that rather than them being "ad mech" they are Warglaive armour plates, that the sprue included in Forgebane is the Warglaive sprue, and that the missing "A" sprue is for the other Armiger variant with its own plates and weapon systems, which allows them to be sold separately (like in Forgebane) and allows for future variant sprues to be added.

Currently building my four, can't get over how small they are compared to the other Knights.

 Looky Likey wrote:
Currently building my four, can't get over how small they are compared to the other Knights.

Cool, thanks for the comparison pictures.

I can't really agree on them being all that small. It's more a case of Forge World super sizing their Knights. I like where Armigers are next to normal Knights.

Built my first Armiger just now, a delight to put together. The legs can go on either end without any cutting or snipping and both arms can go either end as well without any conversion needed.

Those sprues, so tiny!

mmzero252 wrote:"Exactly the same" But put into an entirely different format and not just the instructions from the boxes like they do for start collecting kits. Clearly the armiger instruction in Forgebane aren't the full instructions if they plan to have variations. They could easily have added the "x2" for the kit's purposes.

It looks like they used the design documents for the other kits to compile the instructions for Forgebane. If that's true, it means the stand-alone Armiger kill will include two full models.

That wouldn't be surprising. GW has shown that they rather like grouped kits. Eg the hive guard, zoanthropes and raveners from Tyranids were re-released into grouped kits whereas before they were single blister model. It puts the price up, but also likely makes it more worth while making it into a boxed set rather than a blister; plus if the unit is deigned to operate in groups it often works out well for the player (though does cut down on the number of repeat "cheaper" options to buy for an army with a little bit of spare change or from a gift).

tneva82 wrote:

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
Just a heads up for people who are wondering, every bit of relevant rules for the armiger have been spoiled, including points cost, in this very thread. It has no secret abilities we weren't aware of, no secret scout move, no fancy mortal wound mechanic, etc. It's just a baby knight with a melta cannon.

As for why we only got the admech sprue, my guess is the regular knight variant sprue must have had some sort of issue that kept it from being thrown in. Perhaps a bad mould, bad batch of material, Bob in receiving dropped the crate holding that sprue down the elevator shaft and ruined them, who knows. Because should've been two extra sprues. After all, the body is 3 sprues linked together. Why would the other only have 2? Which points to an Imperial sprue and either a 3rd sprue with far more weapons or perhaps a 3rd sprue being used for a free blade variant.

Why people are inventing all sort of weird theories when partial release in big box and full kit later is fairly standard release pattern for GW.

Because the admech still use their old codex costs in the box and not the chapter approved updates in the book. Means that this box has been ready for a while, since before the updated points for chapter approved had been penned at the least.

tneva82 wrote:

Why people are inventing all sort of weird theories when partial release in big box and full kit later is fairly standard release pattern for GW.

Actually this is the first time they've done so in a non-starter set product. These kinds of campaign boxes tend to have complete items, not partials.

Has anyone tried putting one of the extra Lychguard heads on the Cryptek to see if the tubing lines up ok?

 MrMoustaffa wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
Just a heads up for people who are wondering, every bit of relevant rules for the armiger have been spoiled, including points cost, in this very thread. It has no secret abilities we weren't aware of, no secret scout move, no fancy mortal wound mechanic, etc. It's just a baby knight with a melta cannon.

As for why we only got the admech sprue, my guess is the regular knight variant sprue must have had some sort of issue that kept it from being thrown in. Perhaps a bad mould, bad batch of material, Bob in receiving dropped the crate holding that sprue down the elevator shaft and ruined them, who knows. Because should've been two extra sprues. After all, the body is 3 sprues linked together. Why would the other only have 2? Which points to an Imperial sprue and either a 3rd sprue with far more weapons or perhaps a 3rd sprue being used for a free blade variant.

Why people are inventing all sort of weird theories when partial release in big box and full kit later is fairly standard release pattern for GW.

Because the admech still use their old codex costs in the box and not the chapter approved updates in the book. Means that this box has been ready for a while, since before the updated points for chapter approved had been penned at the least.

So? Point costs etc aren't relevant to what sprues are included. Again this follows standard abc modus operandi for GW. Big box with discount but only partial stuff, later on full kit with full options but which is pricier to buy than before. After all if you can get stuff cheaper by taking discounted boxes it gives little incentive to buy individual box for higher price. Now add in more options and separate kit will sell obviously much better...

This release pattern has been going on for years. But is that what people come up with as reason for this here? Noooo! It must obviously be some weird sprue issue instead.

tneva82 wrote:

So? Point costs etc aren't relevant to what sprues are included. Again this follows standard abc modus operandi for GW. Big box with discount but only partial stuff, later on full kit with full options but which is pricier to buy than before. After all if you can get stuff cheaper by taking discounted boxes it gives little incentive to buy individual box for higher price. Now add in more options and separate kit will sell obviously much better...

Once again:
Blight War, Death Masque, Stormclaw, and Deathstorm(which are the same as this box: existing product packed into a discount box) beg to differ with your statement.

The only example you've been able to put forth realistically is that of the main starter packs but there isn't really anyone arguing against that since we know they're meant to be monopose builds.

Still waiting to see all the discount necrons everyone talked about as a lot of people were getting these sets for the armigers, yet necrons are still at a near premium. Did the sales not pan out as well as everyone thought or are there as many necron fans out there as admech?

angel of death 007 wrote:
Still waiting to see all the discount necrons everyone talked about as a lot of people were getting these sets for the armigers, yet necrons are still at a near premium. Did the sales not pan out as well as everyone thought or are there as many necron fans out there as admech?

I imagine there are likely more Necron Players than Admech, just due to being around for much longer as an army. The Necron dex just came out as well, so you have both newer and older players snatching up the models.

Seen a lot of discounted Necrons over in the UK selling pages, not seen as many appear on eBay though.

angel of death 007 wrote:
Still waiting to see all the discount necrons everyone talked about as a lot of people were getting these sets for the armigers, yet necrons are still at a near premium. Did the sales not pan out as well as everyone thought or are there as many necron fans out there as admech?

Y'all were just looking in the wrong place. I got another 15 of each Immortals and Lychguard plus 6 more Wraiths for a steal. 'Bout the cost of two regular Immortal boxes for the lot.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

angel of death 007 wrote:
Still waiting to see all the discount necrons everyone talked about as a lot of people were getting these sets for the armigers, yet necrons are still at a near premium. Did the sales not pan out as well as everyone thought or are there as many necron fans out there as admech?

Y'all were just looking in the wrong place. I got another 15 of each Immortals and Lychguard plus 6 more Wraiths for a steal. 'Bout the cost of two regular Immortal boxes for the lot.

If you don't mind me asking, where have you been buying these from? Ebay? Gumtree?

 NurglesR0T wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

angel of death 007 wrote:
Still waiting to see all the discount necrons everyone talked about as a lot of people were getting these sets for the armigers, yet necrons are still at a near premium. Did the sales not pan out as well as everyone thought or are there as many necron fans out there as admech?

Y'all were just looking in the wrong place. I got another 15 of each Immortals and Lychguard plus 6 more Wraiths for a steal. 'Bout the cost of two regular Immortal boxes for the lot.

If you don't mind me asking, where have you been buying these from? Ebay? Gumtree?

I've been watching Forgebane ebay sales over the weekend, and noticed that a lot of people are selling the Necrons all together in a single listing but splitting up the Knights and AdMech for some reason.

Thanks to people trying to milk Armiger demand, they're sold at a premium while everything else in the box is heavily discounted - over 50% off retail in some cases. Managed to start off an AdMech army by getting 2 tech preists and 3 skitarii squads for under £55 including shipping. Now that's a Start Collecting box.

angel of death 007 wrote:
Still waiting to see all the discount necrons everyone talked about as a lot of people were getting these sets for the armigers, yet necrons are still at a near premium. Did the sales not pan out as well as everyone thought or are there as many necron fans out there as admech?

I don't have access to GW's sales data, but I did see at least one seller who apparently moved through a couple hundred of units in under 2 weeks which seems like a reasonably decent sales clip. eBay undoubtedly helped with this by running a pair of coupons in that timeframe making it a rather decent deal overall (basically buy the Necrons, get AdMech free in comparison to retail). I suspect the recent Necron codex plus the general fact that the Necrons are a reasonably long-standing faction who have had some serious moments in the sun in previous editions means that there's more demand for them. I know that the stacks of Necron plastics I just procured will be added to my ever-living legions and not hitting the marketplace, despite not being technically "needed" for any units.

People (rightfully) jump on GW's larger boxed sets, because GW doesn't do sales...but these are their clandestine sales, more or less. The boxed games always do well, and are always short lived.

Ya but typically you find a few really good deals with all the overflow, it just isn't so on btown or ebay. Half the crons hasn't dropped below the 75 ish mark. Which is still pretty high. I didn't want to buy any more sets just to sell what i didn't need but I almost regret not doing it now.
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There is usually vendors who buy up the sets at like 50% off and then split up and sell the units inside, but those are not about the cheapest i saw the set was 15 percent off. But i know there are a lot of people that usually buy up a lot of the boxes who get the real GW vendor discount and push a lot of sales. Seems like the supply and demand are pretty equal as they are still available from GW to purchase and have yet to flood the market. Very unusual pattern for the box set

angel of death 007 wrote:
There is usually vendors who buy up the sets at like 50% off and then split up and sell the units inside, but those are not about the cheapest i saw the set was 15 percent off. But i know there are a lot of people that usually buy up a lot of the boxes who get the real GW vendor discount and push a lot of sales. Seems like the supply and demand are pretty equal as they are still available from GW to purchase and have yet to flood the market. Very unusual pattern for the box set

I've noticed there seem to be fewer vendors doing this than before GW changed their discounting rules. Whatever they're doing behind the scenes appears to be fairly effective at stopping heaving discounted merch from showing up on eBay.

If there are more variants to come, all the better.

For now, I like the Armigers.



In the future, a photo will include my second Knight and a new Castellan.

Any new interesting background or artwork in the boxed game?

Id like to hear about the missions

angel of death 007 wrote:
Ya but typically you find a few really good deals with all the overflow, it just isn't so on btown or ebay. Half the crons hasn't dropped below the 75 ish mark. Which is still pretty high. I didn't want to buy any more sets just to sell what i didn't need but I almost regret not doing it now.
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There is usually vendors who buy up the sets at like 50% off and then split up and sell the units inside, but those are not about the cheapest i saw the set was 15 percent off. But i know there are a lot of people that usually buy up a lot of the boxes who get the real GW vendor discount and push a lot of sales. Seems like the supply and demand are pretty equal as they are still available from GW to purchase and have yet to flood the market. Very unusual pattern for the box set

That has more to do with the timing than anything else - the Necron codex is brand new, so all Necron material is going to go for proper money. If this was dropped six months from now, you'd see a marked difference. I do a metric crap ton of selling on eBay and it's just the flow of want/need as usual.

 Malika2 wrote:
Any new interesting background or artwork in the boxed game?

I don’t have mine in front of me, but I was frustrated at how minimal the content was for Forgebane. A one-page story or so, a page blurb on quarry worlds that seems new and what I believe is reproduced basic informaton that is essentially “What is AdMech, What are Necrons” culled from the codexes, 3 very bland missions (that essentially is a fighting retreat for Admech) and then stats for the units. I was really hoping for a longer story and a longer “campaign” that revealed more of the secrets of the black metal Admech was harvesting, but this set is clearly about the models and the book is just “something to do with your new toys, welcome to 40K” sort of nonsense.

 Malika2 wrote:
Any new interesting background or artwork in the boxed game?

Sadly the only new art is the box art, a piece each for the Armiger and new Cryptek with cloak and a colour plate drawing of the Armiger to show off iconography.

Background is minimal and mostly revolves around the search for Blackstone (or the Pariah stone as some in the Ad-Mech call it), with a little blurb on how it can be charged to attract or repel Chaos. The story is about gathering samples for research, so a future campaign or expansion may build on these findings.

The term Quarry World is also dropped here, which denotes a mineral rich world.

 axisofentropy wrote:
Id like to hear about the missions

Three Echoes of War missions, basically as Stormonu said, a fighting retreat for the Ad-Mech, with each mission telling you what units each side fields. It can be played as a mini campaign with optional special rules for the weather (toxic rain that deal mortal wounds and dust storms that reduce weapon ranges) and if a character is slain, it will return the next mission, but with one less wound. Armigers lost during a previous mission will return with 3 wounds less than normal.