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 Sim-Life wrote:

 vim_the_good wrote:
To me it is starting to look like all the flavour is in the special characters and dynasty traits.

I noticed Vargard Obyron can deepstrike himself and another unit to within 1" of an enemy unit. I don't know many of the codex inside out but this seems to break the trend of 9"?

Vim

Nightscythe Invasion Beams do the same

Well, invasion beams are like disembarking from a vehicle, which you definitely can do close to the enemy, because you had to get the vehicle up to the enemy in the first place.

Obyron is similar, but he is "disembarking" from Zandrekh, in a manner of speaking. You still have to get Zandrekh up to the enemy...

<edit> though you could use this to spam units more quickly from a Nightscythe or Monolith - they deploy Zandrekh from the tombworld during your movement phase, and then at the end of the phase Obyron and 30 warriors (or whatever you fancy) comes over to join them from behind your lines... </edit>

Then add in the "double teleport" strategem, someone flying in another unit under the telleporting cloak, and a unit of failed ones popping up to say Hello, and you can have quite the force popping into an enemy flank...

<further edit> although from what people are saying, appearing from invasion beams and monoliths counts as reenforcements, so unlike disembarking you don't get to move afterwards. Still OK for charging nearby units or rapid firing, I guess...

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/03/13/unit-focus-necron-cryptek-with-canoptek-cloakgw-homepage-post-2/

Cryptek reveal on the GW site. Just confirms the cloak really.

Looking at the datasheets, there are some things i see that make me think this is old or fake. There are different pieces of artwork or designs that cover up some of the text. And stalkers and praetorians don't have the dynasty keyword. I'm not sure if that is intentional?

battlelurker wrote:
Looking at the datasheets, there are some things i see that make me think this is old or fake. There are different pieces of artwork or designs that cover up some of the text. And stalkers and praetorians don't have the dynasty keyword. I'm not sure if that is intentional?

Stalkers and Praets didn't have the keyword in the index either. Its intentional.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

battlelurker wrote:
Looking at the datasheets, there are some things i see that make me think this is old or fake. There are different pieces of artwork or designs that cover up some of the text. And stalkers and praetorians don't have the dynasty keyword. I'm not sure if that is intentional?

Stalkers and Praets didn't have the keyword in the index either. Its intentional.

Ah. haven't played necrons since 7th.

battlelurker wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

battlelurker wrote:
Looking at the datasheets, there are some things i see that make me think this is old or fake. There are different pieces of artwork or designs that cover up some of the text. And stalkers and praetorians don't have the dynasty keyword. I'm not sure if that is intentional?

Stalkers and Praets didn't have the keyword in the index either. Its intentional.

Ah. haven't played necrons since 7th.

Even as far back as 5th edition when they were introduced, Praetorians were never a part of a dynasty but the police force of the Triarch, the ruling council of the Necrontyr empire.

The only thing that makes me think the leak might be false in a couple of ways (I know it's a beta which probably explains it), is the Lychguard and Deathmark entries have the Elites symbol, but are down as Troops on the points page. Not sure why that would be.

That said, the warhammer community confirmation of the cloak rules matches with the leak, so it might be more accurate than I thought.

Scarey Nerd wrote:
The only thing that makes me think the leak might be false in a couple of ways (I know it's a beta which probably explains it), is the Lychguard and Deathmark entries have the Elites symbol, but are down as Troops on the points page. Not sure why that would be.

That said, the warhammer community confirmation of the cloak rules matches with the leak, so it might be more accurate than I thought.

The same 'leak' also had all five Dynastic Codes - word for word - before GW posted them on Warhammer Community.

Why does the Cryptek even have a healing ability in Forgebane?

What a really weird set to give him a wound healing ability that doens't bring back models and not put it in with a vehicle based set.. or at least high wound count models like a destroyer.

Jacob29 wrote:
Why does the Cryptek even have a healing ability in Forgebane?

What a really weird set to give him a wound healing ability that doens't bring back models and not put it in with a vehicle based set.. or at least high wound count models like a destroyer.

I think it's mostly for the flying, but it is strange. Maybe he can heal himself?
Destroyers don't have living metal, so they wouldn't be able to receive the heal.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Jacob29 wrote:
Why does the Cryptek even have a healing ability in Forgebane?

What a really weird set to give him a wound healing ability that doens't bring back models and not put it in with a vehicle based set.. or at least high wound count models like a destroyer.

I think it's mostly for the flying, but it is strange. Maybe he can heal himself?
Destroyers don't have living metal, so they wouldn't be able to receive the heal.

The wording of "choose a friendly..." has always confused me. Did this end up being resolved as counting for yourself or not? I'm sure the answer is around somewhere.

And also oops on Destroyers not having Living Metal..

Much offensive power added but few in the way of staying alive. Our 10-immortals squads will still be pulverised in a single round like before, and no way of bringing a dead unit back as i think was needed. Some points:
1- Can 5-immortals units be viable? To get 2 bataillons and 6 CP to use these stratagem? I guess people will tend to overshoot some units and undershoot other in attempts to whipe them all out at ounce, if you got 1 survivor in 4-5 units you can roll some serious RP! Vanilla Cryptek are cheap too.
2- Doomsday ark waaayyyy better (double better). Triarch stalker a little better. Heavy destroyers cheaper. Now we have a way to hit hard. Quantum protocol make way to have pretty effective vehicule armies.
3- I already liked C'Tan nightbringer. Now casting twice with some new powers i will just auto-include the bastard all the time.



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Oh yeah keep a command barge + warcythe available to deal the final blow on magnus with that entropic force stratagem!

 Ghaz wrote:

Scarey Nerd wrote:
The only thing that makes me think the leak might be false in a couple of ways (I know it's a beta which probably explains it), is the Lychguard and Deathmark entries have the Elites symbol, but are down as Troops on the points page. Not sure why that would be.

That said, the warhammer community confirmation of the cloak rules matches with the leak, so it might be more accurate than I thought.

The same 'leak' also had all five Dynastic Codes - word for word - before GW posted them on Warhammer Community.

Ahh, I wasn't aware that the big leak had come out before the community post, I thought the leak of the dynastic codes page had come separately. In that case... Man I need more Destroyers

Scarey Nerd wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

Scarey Nerd wrote:
The only thing that makes me think the leak might be false in a couple of ways (I know it's a beta which probably explains it), is the Lychguard and Deathmark entries have the Elites symbol, but are down as Troops on the points page. Not sure why that would be.

That said, the warhammer community confirmation of the cloak rules matches with the leak, so it might be more accurate than I thought.

The same 'leak' also had all five Dynastic Codes - word for word - before GW posted them on Warhammer Community.

Ahh, I wasn't aware that the big leak had come out before the community post, I thought the leak of the dynastic codes page had come separately. In that case... Man I need more Destroyers

The YouTube leak didn't. It's the pic of the Dynastic Codes that came out before the Warhammer Community post.

Jacob29 wrote:
Why does the Cryptek even have a healing ability in Forgebane?

What a really weird set to give him a wound healing ability that doens't bring back models and not put it in with a vehicle based set.. or at least high wound count models like a destroyer.

Because the "two forces designed to be played against each other as-is" is not the primary point of the box.

"For just a handful of extra points"

...but it is actually cheaper to get the cloak than the chronometron (10 points cheaper!).

"..Triarch Praetorians..."

As people have mentioned, if they still lack <DYNASTY>, who cares about keeping up with them>

"...generals have had to balance mobility with leaving units outside the protective auras of their Crypteks..."

(note: auras, plural). maybe one of the changes from the 'beta' leak is that Crypteks can take both chronometron and cloak?

 Ghaz wrote:

Scarey Nerd wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

Scarey Nerd wrote:
The only thing that makes me think the leak might be false in a couple of ways (I know it's a beta which probably explains it), is the Lychguard and Deathmark entries have the Elites symbol, but are down as Troops on the points page. Not sure why that would be.

That said, the warhammer community confirmation of the cloak rules matches with the leak, so it might be more accurate than I thought.

The same 'leak' also had all five Dynastic Codes - word for word - before GW posted them on Warhammer Community.

Ahh, I wasn't aware that the big leak had come out before the community post, I thought the leak of the dynastic codes page had come separately. In that case... Man I need more Destroyers

The YouTube leak didn't. It's the pic of the Dynastic Codes that came out before the Warhammer Community post.

All from the same guy too, Super Wargamer. He also leaked the new Cryptek via his digital model for Tabletop Simulator before the mini was announced:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=217JTaqhMdQ

So the leaked rules still have the Doom Scythe but games workshop have stopped selling it online (No Longer Available Online).

Is anyone else thinking that there might be a new model coming out for it?

Its still in stock on the US site but as GW is a UK company I cant see them making the Doom Scythe a US exclusive.

eroscoe wrote:
So the leaked rules still have the Doom Scythe but games workshop have stopped selling it online (No Longer Available Online).

Is anyone else thinking that there might be a new model coming out for it?

Its still in stock on the US site but as GW is a UK company I cant see them making the Doom Scythe a US exclusive.

I highly doubt there would be a new model. More than likely, a reboxing with the new rules.

hvg3akaek wrote:
"For just a handful of extra points"

...but it is actually cheaper to get the cloak than the chronometron (10 points cheaper!).

"..Triarch Praetorians..."

As people have mentioned, if they still lack <DYNASTY>, who cares about keeping up with them>

"...generals have had to balance mobility with leaving units outside the protective auras of their Crypteks..."

(note: auras, plural). maybe one of the changes from the 'beta' leak is that Crypteks can take both chronometron and cloak?

More like the aura's of multiple Crypteks.

hvg3akaek wrote:
"For just a handful of extra points"

...but it is actually cheaper to get the cloak than the chronometron (10 points cheaper!).

"..Triarch Praetorians..."

As people have mentioned, if they still lack <DYNASTY>, who cares about keeping up with them>

"...generals have had to balance mobility with leaving units outside the protective auras of their Crypteks..."

(note: auras, plural). maybe one of the changes from the 'beta' leak is that Crypteks can take both chronometron and cloak?

Crypteks also have their aura giving +1 to RP rolls.

Yep, but it's not really balancing a crypteks auras and mobility if you are dropping one aura...

maybe it's just wishful thinking But hey, I'd still like the cryptek cloak to be available for the lord/warlord, too

Jacob29 wrote:
Why does the Cryptek even have a healing ability in Forgebane?

What a really weird set to give him a wound healing ability that doens't bring back models and not put it in with a vehicle based set.. or at least high wound count models like a destroyer.

I think at least partially it's thematic. Crypteks are like tech-priests in the Imperium, and this gives him the ability to repair vehicles (or rather enhance their self-repairing) as well as be a medic for Necron nobility...

oh, sorry ... misunderstood the question. Box sets often have questionable choices - I remember the Chaos Space Marines vs (X marine chapter) boxed set from a few years back with the most insanely overpriced Chosen squad in existence...

 Barrywise wrote:

To do the math for you, Imagine a squad of 5 Tomb Blades, (Threat range of 14" movement + 12" Rapid fire btw) Tesla Carbines and MWBD on them. That's 20 shots, the +1 to hit from MWBD makes 2,3 and 4 normal hits. 20(1/2) is 10 hits. 5 and 6 generates 3 hits. 20(1/3)*3 = 20 hits.

From 20 shots, on average, you generate 30 Strength 5, (Ap -1 if you chose that code) Damage 1 shots that have all hit. against T4, that's 20 wounds. That's 6.66 or 10(AP-1) dead marines. Makes me weep that Reavers aren't that good. If you want further mathstuffs, I'll keep it in the necron tactics page.

MWBD infantry only; Tomb blades are bikes. Works with immortals though.

hvg3akaek wrote:
But hey, I'd still like the cryptek cloak to be available for the lord/warlord, too

It would be nice, but I feel that's what the Destroyer Lord and CCB are for.

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A Triarch style jump Lord would be neat, hopefully the silent King is like that if he ever gets a model.

 Galef wrote:

hvg3akaek wrote:
But hey, I'd still like the cryptek cloak to be available for the lord/warlord, too

It would be nice, but I feel that's what the Destroyer Lord and CCB are for.

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Yep. But it would be cool to do a warlord / cryptek cloak conversion. See that general "Start Collecting" warlord hovering over the mini-spyder skimmer thing

The new Wraiths are disappointing.
They got a hugh price increase to 55 pts (+17) due to their new damage potential (AP-2, D2) and offensive abilities (retreat from cc and shoot/charge).
But they are as vulnerable as they were before.
I loose mine often as a result of ''smite''.
Opinions?

I agree wraiths suffer from the many mortal wound sources out there ignoring their good save (I also lost my last squad to Smite). Would be good if they could take gloom prisms like spiders.

I'm not sure who you're playing against who has enough mortal wounds sources to reliably remove more than one wraith.