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 Danarc wrote:
Back in topic, someone on B&C wrote that he saw a rumor on 4chan about a change on GK purifiers and banner. They two being changed to 6” damage 2.

Nerf. Again.

"Gentlemen, we have some serious problems with Tyranid flyrant spam... Solutions."

"Nerf the Grey Knights"

"...Give this man a raise."

Ash87 wrote:

 Danarc wrote:
Back in topic, someone on B&C wrote that he saw a rumor on 4chan about a change on GK purifiers and banner. They two being changed to 6” damage 2.

Nerf. Again.

"Gentlemen, we have some serious problems with Tyranid flyrant spam... Solutions."

"Nerf the Grey Knights"

"...Give this man a raise."

Honestly, Flyrant spam is the least of their worries with how cheesy the teams tournament was...

Lemondish wrote:

Ash87 wrote:

 Danarc wrote:
Back in topic, someone on B&C wrote that he saw a rumor on 4chan about a change on GK purifiers and banner. They two being changed to 6” damage 2.

Nerf. Again.

"Gentlemen, we have some serious problems with Tyranid flyrant spam... Solutions."

"Nerf the Grey Knights"

"...Give this man a raise."

Honestly, Flyrant spam is the least of their worries with how cheesy the teams tournament was...

Oh, I hadn't heard anything about the Team Tourney went.

I keep hearing rather disconnected "OH GOD EVERYTHING WAS DEATH" accounts in really abstract terms... What were the specifics here

Boy, I really hope for GK sake that's fake, otherwise GW is absolutely earning their questionable decision crowns.

The should read it inflicts 2 mortal wounds to every unit within 6".

My purifiers are really going to be nerfed?! And what are they doing to my interceptors personal teleport??!! I really hope that's fake...

I'm not going to read the last 6 pages. Have they announced a date for this thing yet?

 daedalus wrote:
I'm not going to read the last 6 pages. Have they announced a date for this thing yet?

"Spring"

 Danarc wrote:
Back in topic, someone on B&C wrote that he saw a rumor on 4chan about a change on GK purifiers and banner. They two being changed to 6” damage 2.

Nerf. Again.

Or a buff to a more useful range. Only your ability to parse incomplete info and be outraged can decide!

AdmiralHalsey wrote:

 daedalus wrote:
I'm not going to read the last 6 pages. Have they announced a date for this thing yet?

"Spring"

So... June 20th then.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Danarc wrote:
Back in topic, someone on B&C wrote that he saw a rumor on 4chan about a change on GK purifiers and banner. They two being changed to 6” damage 2.

Nerf. Again.

Or a buff to a more useful range. Only your ability to parse incomplete info and be outraged can decide!

Well according to the picture posted that is definitely a nerf. They had a niche use before in loading up into a storraven or land raider, jumping out and inflicting large amounts of MWs. Now they're just really bad.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Danarc wrote:
Back in topic, someone on B&C wrote that he saw a rumor on 4chan about a change on GK purifiers and banner. They two being changed to 6” damage 2.

Nerf. Again.

Or a buff to a more useful range. Only your ability to parse incomplete info and be outraged can decide!

6" is a more useful range? for a unit that can't deep strike? change the damage from D6 to 2 is good?
Are you kidding me?

AdmiralHalsey wrote:

 daedalus wrote:
I'm not going to read the last 6 pages. Have they announced a date for this thing yet?

"Spring"

We're in second winter here with a third planned for this weekend. Sorry guys.

 Danarc wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Danarc wrote:
Back in topic, someone on B&C wrote that he saw a rumor on 4chan about a change on GK purifiers and banner. They two being changed to 6” damage 2.

Nerf. Again.

Or a buff to a more useful range. Only your ability to parse incomplete info and be outraged can decide!

6" is a more useful range? for a unit that can't deep strike? change the damage from D6 to 2 is good?
Are you kidding me?

Captain buffs it to 12". I'm not sure i'd want to throw my 1 attack 28 point 1W models into melee.


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 Zarroc1733 wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Danarc wrote:
Back in topic, someone on B&C wrote that he saw a rumor on 4chan about a change on GK purifiers and banner. They two being changed to 6” damage 2.

Nerf. Again.

Or a buff to a more useful range. Only your ability to parse incomplete info and be outraged can decide!

Well according to the picture posted that is definitely a nerf. They had a niche use before in loading up into a storraven or land raider, jumping out and inflicting large amounts of MWs. Now they're just really bad.

And that's a hell of an investment (600+ points) for two smites that you might fail to cast and then could still roll equal to or worse damage 33% of the time.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Danarc wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Danarc wrote:
Back in topic, someone on B&C wrote that he saw a rumor on 4chan about a change on GK purifiers and banner. They two being changed to 6” damage 2.

Nerf. Again.

Or a buff to a more useful range. Only your ability to parse incomplete info and be outraged can decide!

6" is a more useful range? for a unit that can't deep strike? change the damage from D6 to 2 is good?
Are you kidding me?

Captain buffs it to 12". I'm not sure i'd want to throw my 1 attack 28 point 1W models into melee.

To make 2 damage you have to take 5 overpriced PAGK (they are PAGK, nothing more), buy a captain, put them into a stormraven and bring them all to the target.
If they had left d6 it would have been a good choice.
Alternatively, if you gate them (that means no gate for GMDK) you can deal 2 damage using a captain. 2 damage. for 292 points.

 Danarc wrote:

To make 2 damage you have to take 5 overpriced PAGK (they are PAGK, nothing more), buy a captain, put them into a stormraven and bring them all to the target.
If they had left d6 it would have been a good choice.

I dunno. I'd rather seem them be a stand off unit in cover again and make use of psilencers and psycannons. 12" is the perfect range for their storm bolters. It'd be nice if they separated the nemesis force sword from their base cost, too so that taking those weapons wasn't more expensive than it should be.

Unfortunately GK aren't a shooting army. Maybe they deeply changed psycannon and psylencer and you're right but with the information we have now this seems a nerf.

 Danarc wrote:
Unfortunately GK aren't a shooting army.

They used to be. Moving them back in that direction wouldn't be an impossibility.

Finally some good news for Grey Knights (I think)!

Coming from 4chan.



Grey Knight Paladins are now 50 points, down from like 60.
(Grandmaster?) Nemesis Dreadknight is now (down to?) 210 points.
Purifiers look to be 28 points each, I think they were 29 before.

Looks like there are some points changes in the FAQ, but we've seen that sort of thing before (for example, there were points changes in Index Xenos 2 FAQ):



Thoughts?

There's also the Scryerskull fix, which I'm really glad about.

How the heck are we getting really, really tiny partial leaks from an unwritten FAQ?

 CaptainBetts wrote:

(Grandmaster?) Nemesis Dreadknight is now (down to?) 210 points.

Well, the normal ones are 155 currently, so I would hope that's a change to the Grand Masters....

GK Paladins are 53 points.
Purifiers are 26 points.
Nemesis Dreadnight is 130, without weapons. Dreadfists and two heavy psycannons cost an additional 95 points.

AdmiralHalsey wrote:
How the heck are we getting really, really tiny partial leaks from an unwritten FAQ?

It's coming from 4chan and various sources round the internet apparently.

GW seem to like doing smaller leaks (apart from that massive Necron beta codex leak).

I imagine they might be trying to gauge the playerbase's reaction with these small snippets before they release the full thing. If everyone complains, then they might go over it again. If everyone likes it, they might keep it.


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Mchagen wrote:
GK Paladins are 53 points.
Purifiers are 26 points.
Nemesis Dreadnight is 130, without weapons. Dreadfists and two heavy psycannons cost an additional 95 points.

I'll bet it's the Grand Masters, who are currently 190 points without gear.

So a +20 points increase. I guess they were spammed or something and GW wanted to counteract that.

NOt down. Currently its cost is 190. +20.
thank you GW.
ALso purifier were 26 now 28.

I'm going out of head.

They were spammed. They were our only reliable QG and one of the few not useless unit.

Now I want to see all the faq before judging because the +2 to purifiers is too strange.

 Danarc wrote:
NOt down. Currently its cost is 190. +20.
thank you GW.
ALso purifier were 26 now 28.

I'm going out of head.

Man, GK deserved a nerf, didn't you saw all those tournaments they where absolutely devastating ... in... Antarctica?

 Danarc wrote:
NOt down. Currently its cost is 190. +20.
thank you GW.
ALso purifier were 26 now 28.

I'm going out of head.

They were spammed. They were our only reliable QG and one of the few not useless unit.

Now I want to see all the faq before judging because the +2 to purifiers is too strange.

They have double the range, but only lost 40% output. So there's a slight gain there. That's probably why they increased in points cost by 2.

Range is 2x what it was
Damage is 58% of what it was.

So rather than doubling the range and halving the damage, they didn't decrease the damage by so much, and increased the points by 7% instead.


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So perhaps a sidegrade to purifiers.

Yes, but we are talking about a 6" range. to be useful they still need a captain. 292 points to deal 2 mortal wounds. That's crazy.

 Danarc wrote:
Yes, but we are talking about a 6" range. to be useful they still need a captain. 292 points to deal 2 mortal wounds. That's crazy.

Yeah. If you don't phrase it as 'doubling range', and rather 'add 3 inches to the range', it's easier to see how little of a difference it'd make.

Sure, if you doubled the range of a 24" weapon it's significant. But a 3" weapon? Not really.

I guess they were like "we doubled the range but didn't half the damage, so increase points a bit."

I'm glad GK gets more nerfs. The Paladin point change isn't nearly enough if GKDM is getting jacked +20.

This will just further cement my full transition to Custodes.

I'm still amazed how much stock people put in tiny screenshots of text that don't mean anything.



Took the time between the original post and this edit to do that. If I took a minute longer I could have blanked out the cursor.