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Dedwoods42 wrote: That nerfs Flyrant spam heavily too as it relies on Spore Mines to allow all your Flyrants to Deep Strike. That + Rule of 3 + points increase buries that list.
I didn't even realize that - my fourth hive tyrant just became surplus
Bender wrote:* Realise that despite the way people talk, this is not a professional sport played by demi gods, but rather a game of toy soldiers played by tired, inebriated human beings.
I don't understand why the internet has decided GSC are now the best army in the game? Can anyone bring the 'splainy for me please?
Stormonu wrote: For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
Khorne is a faction keyword so my Khorne Daemonkin is safe from this soup nerfing, which makes me pretty happy. More CP is also a nice surprise. My list goes from 9 to 13 CP, so now I can actually use my Fight Again strats.
ChargerIIC wrote: All non-troops and Transports are hard capped at 3 copies in Matched Play
Bye bye balance
Stop the hyperbole. This is only a recommendation for tournament play.
Which will be de facto standard for all games. Furthermore do you think gw will actually fix probled after that? If they did there would be no need for this rule.
No. They specifically said this is a tournament recommendation, not a matched play rule. It will not be the 'de facto standard for all games.'
So the anti Aplha Strike really...isn't an anti alpha strike.
Sure, you can deep strike a few units turn 1 and zap zap in close range but this doesn't hurt gunelines at all. So per usual they don't understand what Alpha Strike I and it further nerfs assault armies
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So did they say Chaos, Imperium, Aeldari, etc cannot be use for detachment shared keyword, or whole army?
If it is just for detachments, I actually quite like that. It forces you to take a whole detachment of Marines, or CWE instead of just "plug-n-play" cherry-picking the units you want.
Obviously there needs to be some concession for things like Assassins to even be played.
ChargerIIC wrote: All non-troops and Transports are hard capped at 3 copies in Matched Play
Bye bye balance
Stop the hyperbole. This is only a recommendation for tournament play.
Which will be de facto standard for all games. Furthermore do you think gw will actually fix probled after that? If they did there would be no need for this rule.
No. They specifically said this is a tournament recommendation, not a matched play rule. It will not be the 'de facto standard for all games.'
The two are functionally equivalent, really. Nobody is going to play matched play with rules that aren't consistent with those used in tournaments.
Galef wrote: So did they say Chaos, Imperium, Aeldari, etc cannot be use for detachment shared keyword, or whole army?
If it is just for detachments, I actually quite like that. It forces you to take a whole detachment of Marines, or CWE instead of just "plug-n-play" cherry-picking the units you want.
Obviously there needs to be some concession for things like Assassins to even be played.
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Just for the detachment. Imperium Armies are fine. Me having Cypher, Marbo and two Inquistors in a detachment is no longer fine but they could be in seperate detachments without issue.
Bender wrote:* Realise that despite the way people talk, this is not a professional sport played by demi gods, but rather a game of toy soldiers played by tired, inebriated human beings.
Except like 3 det rule no-one will play without. Also you miss the fact spam units are still broken. Gw did not fix problem. If they had spam wouldn't be problem
So how many hoops do you need to jump through now to show that this is just a sales tactic?
That Deep Strike one is crap because the most offending units are the shooting ones that need to be slapped on the wrist with a point increase. What are they expecting Daemon armies to do?
CaptainStabby wrote: If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.
jy2 wrote: BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.
vipoid wrote: Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?
MarsNZ wrote: ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
ChargerIIC wrote: All non-troops and Transports are hard capped at 3 copies in Matched Play
Bye bye balance
Stop the hyperbole. This is only a recommendation for tournament play.
Which will be de facto standard for all games. Furthermore do you think gw will actually fix probled after that? If they did there would be no need for this rule.
No. They specifically said this is a tournament recommendation, not a matched play rule. It will not be the 'de facto standard for all games.'
The two are functionally equivalent, really. Nobody is going to play matched play with rules that aren't consistent with those used in tournaments.
Yeah - it's like Power Level. Tournament rules become Matched Play rules become casual rules so long as tournament players remain such a large present in non-tournament play.
Bender wrote:* Realise that despite the way people talk, this is not a professional sport played by demi gods, but rather a game of toy soldiers played by tired, inebriated human beings.
ChargerIIC wrote: All non-troops and Transports are hard capped at 3 copies in Matched Play
Bye bye balance
Stop the hyperbole. This is only a recommendation for tournament play.
Which will be de facto standard for all games. Furthermore do you think gw will actually fix probled after that? If they did there would be no need for this rule.
No. They specifically said this is a tournament recommendation, not a matched play rule. It will not be the 'de facto standard for all games.'
if that rule comes into play for tournaments, and doesnt become at least a de facto standard rule, I'll eat a hat
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Slayer-Fan123 wrote: That Deep Strike one is crap because the most offending units are the shooting ones that need to be slapped on the wrist with a point increase. What are they expecting Daemon armies to do?
I don't know. We'll find out when the FAQs are out as GSC have an exemption.
ChargerIIC wrote: All non-troops and Transports are hard capped at 3 copies in Matched Play
Bye bye balance
Stop the hyperbole. This is only a recommendation for tournament play.
Which will be de facto standard for all games. Furthermore do you think gw will actually fix probled after that? If they did there would be no need for this rule.
No. They specifically said this is a tournament recommendation, not a matched play rule. It will not be the 'de facto standard for all games.'
The two are functionally equivalent, really. Nobody is going to play matched play with rules that aren't consistent with those used in tournaments.
No they aren't. My group doesn't play tournament rules packs (ITC, LVO, adepticon, etc), so I just disproved your 'nobody' statement about people playing non-tournament.
the nice thing about the tournament rules; is that you can self-impose if you're a tournament player when you go in for pickup games. You do what you want, and I will build my lists to adhere to rules I'm likely going to need to respect later on.
The fluff is like ketchup and mustard on a burger. Yes it's desirable, yes it makes things better, but no it doesn't fundamentally change what you're eating and no you shouldn't just drown the whole meal in it.
ChargerIIC wrote: All non-troops and Transports are hard capped at 3 copies in Matched Play
Bye bye balance
Stop the hyperbole. This is only a recommendation for tournament play.
Which will be de facto standard for all games. Furthermore do you think gw will actually fix probled after that? If they did there would be no need for this rule.
No. They specifically said this is a tournament recommendation, not a matched play rule. It will not be the 'de facto standard for all games.'
Yes. And 3det is only suggestion officially but in practice it is iron hard rule that is even more rigorously followed than premeasuring is allowed.
Theory is irrelevant. Only practice matters and that shows tournamen' rules are defacto. Hopefully you don#t own deathwing as they just became illegal
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Spoletta wrote: With the dark reaper spam, there aren't many competitive long range shooting lists left.
AM can still put together a decent long range alpha strike, but that is only one faction and it failed to do anything worthy in the last events.
You are crazy. What kind of tournaments have you been going to?
Astra Militarum / Gullimen Space Marine / Eldar shooty / Tau Bork'an / etc. lists are already brutal. Massive deep strike nerfs will remove the only thing that really challenged them.
Dedwoods42 wrote: If you're getting tabled turn 1 by a static gunline you're not using anywhere near enough LOS blocking terrain.
You don't have to be tabled, just crippled. And with FLG selling their own terrain, you're going to see a lot of tables with `5 medium- and small-sized buildings and maybe some craters. Was the same at LVO and all the GTs I've played at in 8th. Few tables at few tournaments use big mountains or giant factory buildings or other types of terrain features that would really protect a decent-sized army from shooting on the first turn. And of course that's not counting 36"+ range ignore LOS shooting and etc.
Spoletta wrote: With the dark reaper spam, there aren't many competitive long range shooting lists left.
AM can still put together a decent long range alpha strike, but that is only one faction and it failed to do anything worthy in the last events.
You are crazy. What kind of tournaments have you been going to?
Astra Militarum / Gullimen Space Marine / Eldar shooty / Tau Bork'an / etc. lists are already brutal. Massive deep strike nerfs will remove the only thing that really challenged them.
Except for AM, none of those lists actually poses a credible threat turn 1 (after DA double nerf), and in fact none of those appeared at a top table, no matter the ruleset (again, except DA).
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