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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/04/08 15:43:53
Subject: Forge Bane vs Chapter Approved
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Painlord Titan Princeps of Slaanesh
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Which book has priority in point costs? The reason I bring this up is that I noticed some discrepancies in the point costs between the 2. Normally the last published is given the benefit as to being proper but with GW I'm not sure that should be the case.
Enhanced Data Tether Forge Bane 9 points Chapter Approved 5 points.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/04/08 15:52:34
Subject: Forge Bane vs Chapter Approved
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Norn Queen
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Forge Bane was probably written before Chapter Approved, with no communication between the teams writing it.
Another example of GW being incompetent. In short, we don't know, discuss it pre-game. I would say that since Forge Bane was released after Chapter Approved 2017, it would take precedence until Chapter Approved 2018 or other errata changes it.
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This message was edited 3 times. Last update was at 2018/04/08 15:58:56
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/04/08 17:23:00
Subject: Forge Bane vs Chapter Approved
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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It just means it was printed first and stored for release later. A release shuffle by Marketing, not incompetence by anyone involved in writing it.
Use the Codex/Chapter Approved Points for Matched Play.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2018/04/09 08:42:05
Stormonu wrote:For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules" |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/04/09 01:38:51
Subject: Forge Bane vs Chapter Approved
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Norn Queen
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Technically Forgebane is the most recent publication so it takes precedence.
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These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/04/09 01:47:16
Subject: Forge Bane vs Chapter Approved
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Steadfast Ultramarine Sergeant
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Frankly I would consider Forgebane an isolated box not part of 40k as a whole. But then again nothing has been stated "Offically" but I don't see GW back stepping on the skitarii points change.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/04/09 05:54:32
Subject: Re:Forge Bane vs Chapter Approved
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Sister Oh-So Repentia
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Technically, it is the latest - but it's one thing to include point updates in a $35 dollar "Chapter Approved" book, it's another to bury an updated point value in a $160 box set.
I would personally use the Codex/Chapter Approved point value, but it's worth discussing with your opponent/TO if you're concerned about it. Personally, it came out a week before the Necron Codex, and had wildly different unit profiles - if it came out the week after instead, I would not have considered it more relevant.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/04/09 08:12:28
Subject: Forge Bane vs Chapter Approved
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Tail-spinning Tomb Blade Pilot
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fraser1191 wrote:Frankly I would consider Forgebane an isolated box not part of 40k as a whole. But then again nothing has been stated "Offically" but I don't see GW back stepping on the skitarii points change.
That would be an odd position to take... does that mean Armigers could not be fielded in competitive play?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/04/09 08:19:15
Subject: Re:Forge Bane vs Chapter Approved
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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If you consider that Forgebane rules should take precedence, then it becomes a required purchase for AM players, because they wouldn't have the most up-to-date rules without that box (the same way CA is a non-optional purchase for 40K).
I don't think it's fair to ask of every AM player to get the Forgebane rules. Therefore, I don't think it's fair to ask of the AM players who did buy the box to use the newly published rules which aren't as good.
And just to be clear, the point cost in Forgebane is the same as the point cost in the codex, so it is the cost that was valid before CA?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/04/09 11:48:09
Subject: Re:Forge Bane vs Chapter Approved
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Norn Queen
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fresus wrote:If you consider that Forgebane rules should take precedence, then it becomes a required purchase for AM players, because they wouldn't have the most up-to-date rules without that box (the same way CA is a non-optional purchase for 40K).
I don't think it's fair to ask of every AM player to get the Forgebane rules. Therefore, I don't think it's fair to ask of the AM players who did buy the box to use the newly published rules which aren't as good.
And just to be clear, the point cost in Forgebane is the same as the point cost in the codex, so it is the cost that was valid before CA?
That doesn't matter. Forgebane is the newer product, and 30 years of precedence has told us the newest rules override older rules.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/04/09 12:58:58
Subject: Forge Bane vs Chapter Approved
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Norn Queen
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I agree that its probably unintended. I agree its dumb. I agree its unfair.
But...
There is specifically a ruling saying the most current publication is the one your expected to use. Take that for what it is and do what you want to do with it.
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These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/04/09 15:08:28
Subject: Forge Bane vs Chapter Approved
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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Good lord... there’s being overliteral and then there’s telling every AM player they must buy a starter box to update some points. Seriously? aPPly some common sense, peeps!
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2018/04/09 15:09:00
Stormonu wrote:For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules" |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/04/09 15:46:31
Subject: Forge Bane vs Chapter Approved
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Expect a FAQ at some point for Forgebane, which will change the point costs to match Chapter Approved (plus any other errata they find)
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