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Hello.

Basically I want to take advantage of the current Forgeworld offer of bogof arms with any dreadnought but I can only afford 1 atm.

Which one should I get - from looking around these forums, the answer seems to be the leviathan but what loadout?

Is there something else that I should consider - e.g. are Derdero dreadnoughts worth a punt?

Apologies for the generic open ended question but I just play space marines and proxy the models I have between the chapter tactics so have no real strategy I want to stick to and am open to all ideas.

This I a BIT of a subjective question because part of the answer is what you need the Dreadnought to do.

That said, I think the best general all-rounder and safest bet Dreadnought is a Leviathan Dreadnought with 2 Storm Cannon Arrays (Butcher Cannons if you're Chaos).

Audustum wrote:
This I a BIT of a subjective question because part of the answer is what you need the Dreadnought to do.

That said, I think the best general all-rounder and safest bet Dreadnought is a Leviathan Dreadnought with 2 Storm Cannon Arrays (Butcher Cannons if you're Chaos).

Basically I want to reward myself with something ostentatious - generally I play gunline armies but I am guessing that a leviathan has the dreadnought keyword so can but put in a lucius drop pod or a stormraven?

Best saving in the current deal is the Deredeo. You get the arms free which is £19 off (though you have to buy the carapace missiles, it still works out as the biggest absolute saving and percentage saving).

Best dreadnought is massively open to debate. Deredeos are cool, Leviathans are great, and Contemptors are very good in a variety of roles depending on loadout (I like quad Lascannons or Autocannons!).

I'll also give a shout to the Venerable Chaplain Dreadnought. 2+ WS and BS, 5+ invuln and 6+ FNP, gives +1 S to allies in melee with the same enemy unit. Best of all though it's a Character with 9W, so is protected by the character rule!


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 timmythetool wrote:
the dreadnought keyword so can but put in a lucius drop pod or a stormraven?

Not since the last FAQ. The Forgeworld FAQ states that Dreadnoughts with as many or more wounds as a Redemptor shouldn't be able to use a Stormraven. It was very poorly worded though...


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Relevant passage:

Q: Can a Stormraven Gunship transport a Relic Deredeo
Dreadnought or a Relic Leviathan Dreadnought?
A: No. For the purposes of determining what
Dreadnoughts a Stormraven Gunship can transport,
compare the Wounds characteristic of the model to
that of a Redemptor Dreadnought (13): a Stormraven
Gunship cannot transport a Dreadnought that has a
Wounds characteristic equal to or higher than this.

The relic contemptor dread with two fists and two plasma blastguns for 227 pts. can re-roll hit rolls of 1s when its equipped with two two dreadnought combat weapons.....not only in the fight phase, in another phase as well It has T7 W12 BS/WS2+, 2+, 5++, 6+++. And as a dread it gets chapter tactics.

Leviathans are top tier dreads. I believe they are better than imperial knights in this edition. The safest way to run them is with butcher cannons, as all gunlines are.

However if you want to spice up your life, try grav amps, or grav/CCW. Grav/drill will be able to walk through pretty much anything with ease. My last game it took full fire from a knight, then walked up, shot it, charged it, and brought it to 2 wounds. Knight limped away and died. It then killed a predator and some tacticals, then a drop pod, and finally on the last turn, my opponents chapter master.

I highly suggest getting some magnets for your leviathan, and magnetizing it.

 timmythetool wrote:

Audustum wrote:
This I a BIT of a subjective question because part of the answer is what you need the Dreadnought to do.

That said, I think the best general all-rounder and safest bet Dreadnought is a Leviathan Dreadnought with 2 Storm Cannon Arrays (Butcher Cannons if you're Chaos).

Basically I want to reward myself with something ostentatious - generally I play gunline armies but I am guessing that a leviathan has the dreadnought keyword so can but put in a lucius drop pod or a stormraven?

I think? I don't use those so I don't really remember. I'm sorry :(

Nah, leviathan has dreadnought, but it can't go in any transport outside the FW dread pod. It wont even fit in a mastodon.

A leviathan dread is a great distraction as most people view it as a boggyman dreadnaught. Stormcannons are the best generalist weapons grav cannon I like but, it has strengths and weaknesses.

My marines never leave home without atleast 1 deredeo with heavy bolters, autocannon and adamatic pavase. It gives everything wholely within 6" a 5++ for around 200 points. Imho the missles arn't worth it.

I like the gravflux bombards. They are probably the highest potential. Stormcannons are next best - reliable huge damage.

I like Relic Contemptors as a general-purpose tool. They don't have the T8 or the 4++ of the Leviathans, but they're ~100pts cheaper (depending on loadout), can be kitted to do a variety of things, degrade weirdly, get a FNP, and with the fixed 9" move (even as they degrade) they're not bad at getting into melee with chainfists dealing a flat four damage.

One thing to keep in mind with all Dreadnaughts is that the Stormraven's transport hook specifies the "Dreadnaught" keyword only, so you can use it to get Contemptors, Deredeos, Leviathans, and Carab Culln the Risen up close more quickly if you need to. Another is that Forge World has clarified that "Chapter" for purposes of Imperial Armour means "everyone but Grey Knights", so Blood Angels, Space Wolves, Dark Angels, and the Deathwatch have access to the whole arsenal alongside the normal Codex.


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 gwarsh41 wrote:
Nah, leviathan has dreadnought, but it can't go in any transport outside the FW dread pod. It wont even fit in a mastodon.

The Stormraven doesn't specify what Dreadnaughts can and can't fit into it, so it can carry Leviathans/Deredeos.

 AnomanderRake wrote:
I like Relic Contemptors as a general-purpose tool. They don't have the T8 or the 4++ of the Leviathans, but they're ~100pts cheaper (depending on loadout), can be kitted to do a variety of things, degrade weirdly, get a FNP, and with the fixed 9" move (even as they degrade) they're not bad at getting into melee with chainfists dealing a flat four damage.

One thing to keep in mind with all Dreadnaughts is that the Stormraven's transport hook specifies the "Dreadnaught" keyword only, so you can use it to get Contemptors, Deredeos, Leviathans, and Carab Culln the Risen up close more quickly if you need to. Another is that Forge World has clarified that "Chapter" for purposes of Imperial Armour means "everyone but Grey Knights", so Blood Angels, Space Wolves, Dark Angels, and the Deathwatch have access to the whole arsenal alongside the normal Codex.


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 gwarsh41 wrote:
Nah, leviathan has dreadnought, but it can't go in any transport outside the FW dread pod. It wont even fit in a mastodon.

The Stormraven doesn't specify what Dreadnaughts can and can't fit into it, so it can carry Leviathans/Deredeos.

The stormraven was FAQ'd to not above 12Wounds

Literally a few posts further up

Stux wrote:

Q: Can a Stormraven Gunship transport a Relic Deredeo
Dreadnought or a Relic Leviathan Dreadnought?
A: No. For the purposes of determining what
Dreadnoughts a Stormraven Gunship can transport,
compare the Wounds characteristic of the model to
that of a Redemptor Dreadnought (13): a Stormraven
Gunship cannot transport a Dreadnought that has a
Wounds characteristic equal to or higher than this.

I'm itching to get a SC Leviathan... but it's so darn expensive

If you're fond of a particular legion, you can get legion-specific Contemptor dreads.

I think the overall "easiest to fit into a list" FW dread is the contemptor. The Leviathan is better but costs more as well. It also looks amazing.

Personally if I'm buying ONE FW dread, I'd make it a Leviathan with Storm/Grav. I know Storm/Storm might be the easiest to use, but the Grav-flux Bombard is also great and LOOKS AMAZING. Just make sure you magnetize your FW dreads, IMO. Maximize your investment.

For my dark angels it’s the Doredeo dread, ailos missile launcher, heavy bolters and plasma battery, with relic of old night strategem it’s puts out a ton of high str good ap shots with damage 4, re rolling 1’s to hit as it’s a dark angels dread.

I really like my relic contemptor, fist w flamer and multimelta always gets up and personal with what ever big thing is put in front of it.

or he dies turn 1 from focused firepower.

The Leviathan and Deredeo both bring things to the table. The Leviathan is a tough nut to crack, but it's also expensive as poop, around 350 points for most weapon combinations. It's got armour and toughness of a Land Raider more or less with an invulnerable save.

I own two Chaos ones (one I haven't even run, and would never run them together unless for a silly game). Weapon-wise they're really quite good. My buddy's new Tyranids army encouraged me to grab some close-combat weapon options though. One reason Leviathans are cool is that they receive the Chapter Trait or Legion Trait because they're classified as <Dreadnought> and <Helbrute>, and most Space Marine vehicles do not benefit from the abilities of the Chapter, etc.

Being renegades I can advance and charge if I feel like it (whilst shooting my melta gun and twin hellflamers, etc.). I hope they serve as a good counter to the big bugs which I can't do much about with my CSM army.

The Deredeo is a cool "support" unit, providing the 5+ invuln to nearby important stuff and gaining benefits from shooting at Flyers etc. It's a good bit cheaper and doesn't put out quite the firepower of a double-armed Leviathan (as it shouldn't being some 100+ points cheaper).

The telemon heavy dreadnought!
But seriously, it's like a suped-up leviathan.

If you're looking for the cheapest, just get a chaplain dread with two DCW. It's an untargetable dreadnought that shreds in cc and has 8 shots at 12", or you can take heavy flamers.

 Formosa wrote:
For my dark angels it’s the Doredeo dread, ailos missile launcher, heavy bolters and plasma battery, with relic of old night strategem it’s puts out a ton of high str good ap shots with damage 4, re rolling 1’s to hit as it’s a dark angels dread.

How often do you see him last with the plasma build due to rolling 1s? I know you get the re-rolls, I was just curious.

I too was looking at the recent FW dread deal. I am looking at the Lev Dread with either dual Storm cannons or 1x Storm cannon and 1x grav flux.

I love my relic contemptor but Bray'arth Ashmantle is badass both in detail and insane melee. kinda expensive tho both $ and points.

The Grey Knight Doomglaive is a pretty sweet Dreadnought to have. It’s a Psyker, has a Heavy Psycannon, and has a high damage DCW. It’s a smaller, cheaper DreadKnight.

SJ