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 d-usa wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
Does he have an Iphone? he could have just blocked the number after the first 3-4 calls and texts and said..."eh - I don't think he want's to cooperate with this documentary" (which ofc he didn't).

Is this the stalking and harrassment version of "she should have just said no and left her legs closed.

Ofc though - he has an agenda. Which is to stir flames by poking a bear with a stick. I imagine Zimmerman is quite a paranoid man at this point and just wants to be left alone.

I know when I want to be left alone I call people 55 times and sent them multiple texts and emails.

Text message does not equal rape?

I think it's clear we don't have the whole story. Even taking this job from the likes of Jay-Z he is a certain kind of person with a certain agenda. Likely a person that hates Zimmerman - wants to expose him. How could you even try to deny this? Clearly not a credible source of anything. It is really no surprise to get a reaction like this.


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 d-usa wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

When I don't want to talk to someone - I just block their number. It takes 12 seconds..

Makes you wonder if there is any possible way for Zimmerman to avoid being contacted by someone he doesn't want to talk to.

A PI is a professional spy - you realize that?

Plus - I'm not saying Zman didn't do anything wrong. I'm just saying - that figures.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
The dude is a living gak magnet, the sooner he learns to keep off the radar, or just disappear, the better for everyone. He seems to always need to take some situation he finds himself in and do his best Chappelle's show "when keeping it real goes wrong" impression.

I think the guy might be a little cuckoo - what do you think? Perhaps driven mad by hundreds of thousands of death threats and being the most hated man in america.

That certainly doesn't help mental equilibrium, but he was a bit bunker before that. He shot a kid after playing vigilante against the best advice of police and 911 services. These are not the actions of a sane and balanced man.

So now we have two crime denying threads on Dakka!

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
The dude is a living gak magnet, the sooner he learns to keep off the radar, or just disappear, the better for everyone. He seems to always need to take some situation he finds himself in and do his best Chappelle's show "when keeping it real goes wrong" impression.

I think the guy might be a little cuckoo - what do you think? Perhaps driven mad by hundreds of thousands of death threats and being the most hated man in america.

Methinks perhaps his underlying need to...escalate, as displayed in this instance, has probably been a factor ever at every step in his history. He really has gone out of his way to really *earn* that scorn.

Well, if the PI was harrassing Z, he could have contacted the police to handle it. But then, he’s always been in favor of extrajudicial solutions.

 d-usa wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

When I don't want to talk to someone - I just block their number. It takes 12 seconds..

Makes you wonder if there is any possible way for Zimmerman to avoid being contacted by someone he doesn't want to talk to.

Well if the P.I. or documentary people are harassing his family I could see him or annyone lashing out. The messages Zman sent all involve "leave my family alone" type stuff from what I can see. This story seems very incomplete, so it's hard to say what actually happened. Right now it seems like he's stalking people who are stalking him.

epronovost wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
The dude is a living gak magnet, the sooner he learns to keep off the radar, or just disappear, the better for everyone. He seems to always need to take some situation he finds himself in and do his best Chappelle's show "when keeping it real goes wrong" impression.

I think the guy might be a little cuckoo - what do you think? Perhaps driven mad by hundreds of thousands of death threats and being the most hated man in america.

That certainly doesn't help mental equilibrium, but he was a bit bunker before that. He shot a kid after playing vigilante against the best advice of police and 911 services. These are not the actions of a sane and balanced man.

He had a desire to defend his community for whatever reason. I'm not sure what encourages people to want to do that - could be insanity - could be a lot of things. It also sounds a lot worse when you don't mention the fact that the kid he shot was on top of him and beating him.

 Xenomancers wrote:
t also sounds a lot worse when you don't mention the fact that the kid he shot was on top of him and beating him.

That didn't happen because Martin wasn't convicted of it.

Just check the other victim blaming thread.

It also sounds a lot less worse when you don't mention the fact that Zimmerman was actively 'stalking' Trayvon because he was black and based on the 911 transcript possibly even running after him. Wouldn't you feel threatened by that?


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 daedalus wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
t also sounds a lot worse when you don't mention the fact that the kid he shot was on top of him and beating him.

That didn't happen because Martin wasn't convicted of it.

Just check the other victim blaming thread.

I shouldn't laugh but damn.

 d-usa wrote:
Well, if the PI was harrassing Z, he could have contacted the police to handle it. But then, he’s always been in favor of extrajudicial solutions.

Look on the bright side - he hasn't shot anyone in 7 years!



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 Disciple of Fate wrote:
It also sounds a lot less worse when you don't mention the fact that Zimmerman was actively 'stalking' Trayvon because he was black and based on the 911 transcript possibly even running after him. Wouldn't you feel threatened by that?


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 daedalus wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
t also sounds a lot worse when you don't mention the fact that the kid he shot was on top of him and beating him.

That didn't happen because Martin wasn't convicted of it.

Just check the other victim blaming thread.

I shouldn't laugh but damn.

You know you lose all credibility in your argument when you say Zman was stalking him because he was black. Stalking is an interesting word choice too because it implies stealth/attempt to remain hidden. He confronted martin - that is the correct word choice.


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 daedalus wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
t also sounds a lot worse when you don't mention the fact that the kid he shot was on top of him and beating him.

That didn't happen because Martin wasn't convicted of it.

Just check the other victim blaming thread.

You lose all right to victim-hood when you throw the first punch when you could have easily run away.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Disciple of Fate wrote:
It also sounds a lot less worse when you don't mention the fact that Zimmerman was actively 'stalking' Trayvon because he was black and based on the 911 transcript possibly even running after him. Wouldn't you feel threatened by that?

You know you lose all credibility in your argument when you say Zman was stalking him because he was black. Stalking is an interesting word choice too because it implies stealth/attempt to remain hidden. He confronted martin - that is the correct word choice.

Zimmerman: Hey, we've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy, uh, [near] Retreat View Circle. Um, the best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle. This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about.
Dispatcher: Okay, and this guy is he white, black, or Hispanic?
Zimmerman: He looks black.

Zimmerman: No, you go in straight through the entrance and then you make a left...uh, you go straight in, don't turn, and make a left. gak, he's running [background noises, possibly car door open warning chimes, heard].
Dispatcher: He's running? Which way is he running?
Zimmerman: Down towards the other entrance to the neighborhood.
Dispatcher: Which entrance is that that he's heading towards?
Zimmerman: The back entrance...fething [disputed/unintelligible]
Dispatcher: Are you following him?
Zimmerman: Yeah.

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 Xenomancers wrote:

 daedalus wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
t also sounds a lot worse when you don't mention the fact that the kid he shot was on top of him and beating him.

That didn't happen because Martin wasn't convicted of it.

Just check the other victim blaming thread.

You lose all right to victim-hood when you throw the first punch when you could have easily run away.

That's not what the Stand-your-ground law says in Florida. Zimmerman was the one acting threatening up until that point. Its raining and dark and a guy is following and running after you, feth does that come across as threatening.

We all know how it ended, but there was absolutely no reason for Zimmerman to act the way he did. If he wasn't trying to play discount vigilante two people would have still been alive.

Okay so he described the guys physical appearance after being asked to do so? That's racist I suppose?

You realize he gets out of the car after that and approached martin - who decides to attack a short chubby Hispanic guy who had no chance to keep up with him right? In fact - I think I remember that he ambushed Zmann.

 Xenomancers wrote:
Okay so he described the guys physical appearance after being asked to do so? That's racist I suppose?

You realize he gets out of the car after that and approached martin - who decides to attack a short chubby Hispanic guy who had no chance to keep up with him right? In fact - I think I remember that he ambushed Zmann.

Its more about the part he states before the question but whatever. Stalked was meant to be an (obvious) joke.

You realize he gets out of the car to follow Martin for zero reason as he already called the police. So Martin after being followed by a guy in a car starts running away, at which point the guy gets out of the car and runs after you? What would you think that guy's intentions are, ask you about the weather? Martin shouldn't have attacked Zimmerman, but most if not all of us would have also felt threatened by the actions of Zimmerman up until that point.

Zimmerman almost acted kind of like a PI, so he couldn’t have been the victim.

You lose all right to victim-hood when you throw the first punch when you could have easily run away. don't just ignore the guy trying to contact you and repeatedly spam his inbox..

or threaten to feed them to an alligator.

 Xenomancers wrote:

He had a desire to defend his community for whatever reason. I'm not sure what encourages people to want to do that - could be insanity - could be a lot of things. It also sounds a lot worse when you don't mention the fact that the kid he shot was on top of him and beating him.

Why would the kid obey to the orders of some random dude in the streets? If someone tries to arrest me while I go buy skittles, I will tell him to zog off. If they insist, make threats or try to prevent me from moving away, I might be inclined to fight them and, if I was the kid, I would have been shot because I was winning that fight that I didn't wanted and didn't needed.

The community didn't ask Zimmerman help to defend itself. In fact, those appointed by the community to actively defend it told him to stay out of it as to not make the entire thing more dangerous. Self appointed vigilante are bullies who think they are righteous. He wasn't in Gotham City slums, he was in suburban area of Florida without much problems. The community wasn't even in danger. Zimmerman didn't shot a kid who was out to punch people in the face. He shot a kid who was minding his own business. Zimmerman made is community less safe by wide margin.

If you believe a self appointed vigilante without recognised credential, training, uniform or official authority who refuses to cooperate with and follow the lead of the police forces and 911 services will improve a communty's security. That's a sign of a seriously unhinged person with a certain fetishism for heroes that results in innocent dead people. If it sounds like a terrible idea for 99.9% of the population for evident reasons, if you are 0.1% left, you probably are immensly stupid or kinda bunker don't you think?

I don't have any problem with Zmann being charged for his actions in this case. Don't blow it out of proportion though because you hate the guy. PI's deal with this kind of stuff on a regular basis nor do we have any idea what the PI with an agenda did to encourage this kind of behavior.

Well that's what this case will probably show. But if PI who "deal[s] with this stuff on a regular basis" feels the need to go to court you know its not looking that good for Zimmerman.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Disciple of Fate wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Disciple of Fate wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Disciple of Fate wrote:

Well he is in the news because of what he did, not because of Jay Z. He could have not threatened and stalked people

Just think about it for a second...does that make any sense? He's stalking a private investigator?

You tell me:

Between Dec. 16, 2017, and Christmas Day, the private investigator told deputies he got 55 phone calls, 67 text messages, 36 voicemails and 27 emails from Zimmerman, records show.

Does he have an Iphone? he could have just blocked the number after the first 3-4 calls and texts and said..."eh - I don't think he want's to cooperate with this documentary" (which ofc he didn't). Ofc though - he has an agenda. Which is to stir flames by poking a bear with a stick. I imagine Zimmerman is quite a paranoid man at this point and just wants to be left alone.

We've reached terminal victim blaming velocity captain!

Perhaps - hard to see a PI as being a victim ever. Again...when I don't want to talk to someone - I just block their number. It takes 12 seconds. Zimmermans crime here is victim-less.

That would be the dumbest thing you could do in a situation like this. You want more evidence of him doing things like this so you can get protection in case he starts to escalate things. You don't want to destroy all the evidence, because then who would believe you? Pretty easy.

 Disciple of Fate wrote:
Well that's what this case will probably show. But if PI who "deal[s] with this stuff on a regular basis" feels the need to go to court you know its not looking that good for Zimmerman.

55 phone calls, 67 text messages, 36 voicemails and 27 emails in about 10 days. Some of which are death threats from a dude who has already killed before. I know you can be pissed about someone investigating your past for a documentary, but that sounds excessive and pretty stupid. I would have warned authorities too. In Zimmerman situation, why not contact a lawyer to send the producers and the PI working for him a letter warning on breach of privacy and libel suits, while mentionning again that you are unwilling to participate on any documentary. It doesn't cost all that much.

I also agree that keeping records of such a thing is a very good idea in case Zimmerman was to decide to physically confront "the threat". He has an historic of poor jugement, violent and aggressive behaviors and a tendency to escalate confrontations. I would be very prudent around that guy and protect my rear. I mean the guy has fought against police officers over busting a friend for underage driking, been accused by two of his ex-girlfriend of domestic violence and threatening them with guns, he had to be removed from a bar after insulting the waitress and refusing to leave, etc.

epronovost wrote:

 Disciple of Fate wrote:
Well that's what this case will probably show. But if PI who "deal[s] with this stuff on a regular basis" feels the need to go to court you know its not looking that good for Zimmerman.

55 phone calls, 67 text messages, 36 voicemails and 27 emails in about 10 days. Some of which are death threats from a dude who has already killed before. I know you can be pissed about someone investigating your past for a documentary, but that sounds excessive and pretty stupid. I would have warned authorities too. In Zimmerman situation, why not contact a lawyer to send the producers and the PI working for him a letter warning on breach of privacy and libel suits, while mentionning again that you are unwilling to participate on any documentary. It doesn't cost all that much.

I also agree that keeping records of such a thing is a very good idea in case Zimmerman was to decide to physically confront "the threat". He has an historic of poor jugement, violent and aggressive behavior and a tendency to escalate confrontations. I would be very prudent around that guy and protect my rear.

Well that would be the unreasonable thing to do according to some people, but what do I know, just today I learned that PI's apparently aren't people.

But in all seriousness, Zimmerman handled this in the absolute worst possible way. He contacted the PI almost 20 times in a single day, that's insane, doesn't that man have a job or something

Serious question...Why does Zimmerman even have this guys phone number and email address?

Why would anyone give that information to a guy like Zimmerman?

I would assume that a PI would have contact information available somewhere, you know, because people need to be able to contact him so he can get paycheck.

 Xenomancers wrote:
Serious question...Why does Zimmerman even have this guys phone number and email address?

Why would anyone give that information to a guy like Zimmerman?

If he was trying to contact him to participate in a documentary on the Martin case, the PI had to give his contact informations to Zimmerman (which would include a phone and email address). Both are probably marked on the business card the PI gives around. If not, these are easy to find via an internet search. It's not that difficult to find those informations.

 Xenomancers wrote:
Serious question...Why does Zimmerman even have this guys phone number and email address?

Why would anyone give that information to a guy like Zimmerman?

Caller ID into a google search. a PI is not actually a spy or uses burner phone type things.

at least i would assume most PI dont.

edit: also above.

If your job is to investigate people - most of whom don't want to be investigated - I'd assume protecting your own personal information would be a chief concern. I mean heck - I take great effort in protecting my personal information on dates with strangers. I can't imagine professional would take even more risk with someone like Zmann. It makes no sense.

I know that I would never give my contact information to someone I am trying to get in touch with.

 Xenomancers wrote:
If your job is to investigate people - most of whom don't want to be investigated - I'd assume protecting your own personal information would be a chief concern. I mean heck - I take great effort in protecting my personal information on dates with strangers. I can't imagine professional would take even more risk with someone like Zmann. It makes no sense.

... So when you leave your date you do what? Mail her letters through the post office to ask for another one? Because it sure as hell sounds like a situation where the other party would need either a phone number or an email address. How did you even get into contact with the date in the first place...

I've figured it out!

George Zimmerman is Florida Man!



The Auld Grump

 d-usa wrote:
I know that I would never give my contact information to someone I am trying to get in touch with.

Yeah - after reading about the situation finally it makes more sense now. I guess I got caught up playing devils advocate there. When can we expect this documentary anyways?


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 Disciple of Fate wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
If your job is to investigate people - most of whom don't want to be investigated - I'd assume protecting your own personal information would be a chief concern. I mean heck - I take great effort in protecting my personal information on dates with strangers. I can't imagine professional would take even more risk with someone like Zmann. It makes no sense.

... So when you leave your date you do what? Mail her letters through the post office to ask for another one? Because it sure as hell sounds like a situation where the other party would need either a phone number or an email address. How did you even get into contact with the date in the first place...

Well - I don't give them my email address. Unlikely to even give them my last name until I find out they aren't a crazy person.