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 skchsan wrote:
It is nearing the 1 year mark since the 8th ed and the primaris marines have dropped.

Almost a year later, I still have yet to come to like the primaris line both on the table top and aesthetically. To me, they are the space marines of Warhammer 80k universe, and have no place in 40k in terms of playability (barring a few combos) and visually.

I'd agree they are beautifully sculpted models, but the scale is off, details are off (nearly all primaris line actually lack the classic astartes markings, allowing you to customize them without having them look like they're from another chapter i.e. over abundunce of double headed eagle, blood drop with wings, sword with wings, etc), just everyjing about them feels out of place. I mean, they're at the height of a centurion FFS. And the redemptor? Nearly TWICE the size of the old dreads... Maybe it's cheaper for GW to hire less than best sculptors that can't scult things at old scale anymore...

Primaris still has no love from me. It's a big flip off to old collectors.

I don´t like most of them either. They remind me with their exaggerated height of Sigmarines which are responsible for the death of the Old World. The Primaris Tacticals look good enough but their weapon loadouts are just stupid. No heavy/special weapons? On a 40K battlefield? Just ludicrous! The usurpers also don´t mesh well with the truescale SM. Though I might pick up a box of them to use the models for my customised Doom (1993) boardgame.

I nearly forgot to mention the new dreadnought and the repulsor. The walker looks like an oversized, pot-bellied pig that learned to walk on it´s hindlegs. Just a loathsome abomination and a crime to very nature of sensible wargaming. What about the repulsor? A horrid amalgam of a land raider and land speeder with a nonsensical amount of guns. Who was responsible for the design process? A five-year old with a glue gun and access to a tank & speeder sprue? And let´s not mention the stupid transportation rules of this abysmal thing...

To be fair, the Dread can apparently be made without the beer belly.

It's 2018 guys, let's not body shame the dread.

The new primaris makes the SM as the space police and no longer space monks. They look like something that would come out in Gundam series and not 40k series.

It's like the 6th ed riptide count-as 1/144 scale gundams. Aesthetically, primaris are third-party sculpts. They look SO out of place...

jcd386 wrote:
It's 2018 guys, let's not body shame the dread.

But it's more likely to have heart disease...


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 skchsan wrote:
The new primaris makes the SM as the space police and no longer space monks. They look like something that would come out in Gundam series and not 40k series.

It's like the 6th ed riptide count-as 1/144 scale gundams. Aesthetically, primaris are third-party sculpts. They look SO out of place...

Have you not seen any other Armor Mk? They all look like Space Police. Only one that looks like Space Monks is any of the robed Dark Angels.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

jcd386 wrote:
It's 2018 guys, let's not body shame the dread.

But it's more likely to have heart disease...


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 skchsan wrote:
The new primaris makes the SM as the space police and no longer space monks. They look like something that would come out in Gundam series and not 40k series.

It's like the 6th ed riptide count-as 1/144 scale gundams. Aesthetically, primaris are third-party sculpts. They look SO out of place...

Have you not seen any other Armor Mk? They all look like Space Police. Only one that looks like Space Monks is any of the robed Dark Angels.

yeah the MK X armor looks like a blend of MK IV and MK VIII Which honestly is exactly what a new advanced suit of space marine armor should look like. the marines are short on bling, but so are the MK III and MK IV heresy models. I'd rather be able to add the bling myself.

BrianDavion wrote:


yeah the MK X armor looks like a blend of MK IV and MK VIII Which honestly is exactly what a new advanced suit of space marine armor should look like. the marines are short on bling, but so are the MK III and MK IV heresy models. I'd rather be able to add the bling myself.

I really like how my Hellblasters turned out with the legion MKIII shoulders and diff helmets.

I will put MKIII shoulders on everything primaris I buy. I also put a plasma incinerator on a MKIII marine as a plasma cannon and it looks dope. mixing & kitbashing seems to yield the best results.

 skchsan wrote:
It is nearing the 1 year mark since the 8th ed and the primaris marines have dropped.

Almost a year later, I still have yet to come to like the primaris line both on the table top and aesthetically. To me, they are the space marines of Warhammer 80k universe, and have no place in 40k in terms of playability (barring a few combos) and visually.

I'd agree they are beautifully sculpted models, but the scale is off, details are off (nearly all primaris line actually lack the classic astartes markings, allowing you to customize them without having them look like they're from another chapter i.e. over abundunce of double headed eagle, blood drop with wings, sword with wings, etc), just everyjing about them feels out of place. I mean, they're at the height of a centurion FFS. And the redemptor? Nearly TWICE the size of the old dreads... Maybe it's cheaper for GW to hire less than best sculptors that can't scult things at old scale anymore...

Primaris still has no love from me. It's a big flip off to old collectors.

Their scale isn't off, normal marines are way too small, DKK are taller than them.

That's the fundamental point, I agree. Truescale marines look so much better on the battlefield. Played three games in a tournament yesterday, all three opponents commented approvingly on the scale of my Primaris next to my Krieg. Imaginatively, tagging a marine who refuses to go down is also pretty cool.

IMO it's all a cluster...feth. Background is terrible, the new specialised units and the tank and dread are huge misses outside the Reivers. The tacticool bolters are too long. The size, however, is sooo good.

So chalk me up in the camp that would've wanted Primaris Tactical and Assault Squads, Primaris bikes, bigger Termis etc. and damn the way GW makes it happen to sell those to existing players. The Primaris Chaplain works as a "replacement", same with the Apothecary, but 30€ is a lot of money.


I only have the DI and First Strike ones as a result and I'll make a few kill teams from different chapters. So I can't talk about compatibility between non-monopose kits and the only conversion I did so far is putting a heavy bolter on an Intercessor, which worked out okay. Will try a few torsi next. Putting things like the powerfist come-at-me-bro Chaplain on taller legs to have them truescale would be ace if it works out.

 grouchoben wrote:
That's the fundamental point, I agree. Truescale marines look so much better on the battlefield. Played three games in a tournament yesterday, all three opponents commented approvingly on the scale of my Primaris next to my Krieg. Imaginatively, tagging a marine who refuses to go down is also pretty cool.

I'll never understand the whole truescale thing. All the "truescale" rhinos I've seen still don't look like they can hold 10 extra guys.

 Binabik15 wrote:
IMO it's all a cluster...feth. Background is terrible, the new specialised units and the tank and dread are huge misses outside the Reivers. The tacticool bolters are too long. The size, however, is sooo good.

So chalk me up in the camp that would've wanted Primaris Tactical and Assault Squads, Primaris bikes, bigger Termis etc. and damn the way GW makes it happen to sell those to existing players. The Primaris Chaplain works as a "replacement", same with the Apothecary, but 30€ is a lot of money.


I only have the DI and First Strike ones as a result and I'll make a few kill teams from different chapters. So I can't talk about compatibility between non-monopose kits and the only conversion I did so far is putting a heavy bolter on an Intercessor, which worked out okay. Will try a few torsi next. Putting things like the powerfist come-at-me-bro Chaplain on taller legs to have them truescale would be ace if it works out.

aestetics are of course subjective but calling the bolt rifles too long is hoenstly silly. the classic bolt gun is actually kinda short

Hi Skaorn, body proportions are far more telling than spatial proportions, though. We are hardwired to read the pose, angle, action potential, health and age of bodies by the way they look. A lot of our brain is given over to reading intentional states, for example, on to human bodies.

Not so much metal bawkses. So deformities, or scale issues, in the representation of the human form draw wayyy more attention than a tank not being appropriately sized for its carrying capacity. Also, it is bound up in what we take to be aesthetically pleasing/compelling. You have to be a real Marine fan to say the same of Rhinos!

I don't really care what they look like.

I just don't like that small marines are generally terrible and transports are mostly a thing of the past.

I am also not a giant fan of them all having the same guns and no specials in the basic squads, as that seems particularly un-mariney to me. They don't add much to what marines had before, and not working with the transports is clunky. And small marines feel somewhat left in the dust.

If it had been up to me (not sure why GW didn't ask me lol), I would have just said "hey guys we are remaking the whole marine line, we hope you like them!" and just came out with primaris versions of Tacs, Assaults, Devs, Termies, and so on. Make it a really cool kit with tons of special weapons and options and then see if people want to buy it. I think they would have.

The fluff of them making bigger stronger marines could have still happened.

Rules wise, they could have then made marines tougher in some way (2w might have been fine) and balanced the codexes around that. I think marine players would have taken a bit to get used to it, but it would have been a smoother transition.

"Marines lose out for not being specialized"

GW provides specialized Marines

"Loadouts are terrible and I hate them for being specialized "

 fraser1191 wrote:
"Marines lose out for not being specialized"

GW provides specialized Marines

"Loadouts are terrible and I hate them for being specialized "

None of them are costed correctly, so it doesn't matter what they provide.

They are in DW.

DW Codex basically feels like the 'we're sorry about the marine Codex' Codex.

But the DW codex is VERY limited. DW have terrible AT, for example. Yes, SIA intercessors are very nice, but still suffer terribly vs D2 weapons. It's a poor apology after the Drukhari.

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
By all accounts, I can't remember exactly where I read this, but the Primaris line isn't meeting GW sales expectations. Which I think seems to be the case given the range feels like it has stalled.

Do you think anyone at GW will link the poor sales to craptacular performance on the table top?

I'm painting up some Primaris Space Wolves for a 650 point game. I'll be using the Deathwatch rules since the Wolves Codes isn't out yet. My army will have exactly 20 models in it, all infantry.

My buddy's 650 point IG army has over 70 infantry models in it.

I don't expect to last past turn 2.

phydaux wrote:

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
By all accounts, I can't remember exactly where I read this, but the Primaris line isn't meeting GW sales expectations. Which I think seems to be the case given the range feels like it has stalled.

Do you think anyone at GW will link the poor sales to craptacular performance on the table top?

I'm painting up some Primaris Space Wolves for a 650 point game. I'll be using the Deathwatch rules since the Wolves Codes isn't out yet. My army will have exactly 20 models in it, all infantry.

My buddy's 650 point IG army has over 70 infantry models in it.

I don't expect to last past turn 2.

I've not heard anything about Primaris Marines not selling as expected. I suspect that's more wishful thinking. the idea the range ahs "Stalled" is silly. for 40k we've gotten only 3 major releases since 8th launched. Primaris Marines, Plague Marines and Custodes.

Martel732 wrote:
But the DW codex is VERY limited. DW have terrible AT, for example.

Well, as you well know, most of the best SM AT comes from Forgeworld, and DW gets equal access to Leviathans, Venators, Xiphons, etc.

Dreads get to DS with their strat, and their Mission Tactics & Doctrines all make things like a Leviathan much more killy too.

This was totally posted in the wrong thread

 grouchoben wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
But the DW codex is VERY limited. DW have terrible AT, for example.

Well, as you well know, most of the best SM AT comes from Forgeworld, and DW gets equal access to Leviathans, Venators, Xiphons, etc.

Dreads get to DS with their strat, and their Mission Tactics & Doctrines all make things like a Leviathan much more killy too.

Yeah exactly. No real lack anywhere outside durable bodies.

I'm not familiar with FW, really. I'm not sinking that kind of money in at this time.

Fair play. I'm a sucker for their sculpts.

IMHO FW is the same as suggesting to use allies. I want to play a Codex and not a mishmash of several publications.

A Codex has to stand on it's own without bandaids.

Does anyone know when GW is planning to add primaris to the Grey Knights? Something like hellblasters or reavers would be a really nice addition to them.

If GW would plan to add Primaris to GKs they would have done so with the Codex. I wouldn't hold my breath getting anything Primaris anytime soon.

Yeah, but people keep saying that the Grey Knight codex was an error, and that it doesn't really work or fit 8th ed. I understand that making of a new book takes up a lot of time, with testing and new units, art and mechanics being added. So a fix could be just adding primaris marines. They already did it with deathwatch, so why not with Grey Knights. An errata would take up maybe 30 min to write, and if they just paste some rules it could be done under 10 probablly.

Like the models, hate the fluff.

I'm only now painting up my first primaris, for my Death Watch army. Head swap and backpack swap. Chopping off the shoulderpad to change to a DW one wasn't too hard. I can't decide whether or not to do the other shoulder or just use a transfer.

Given I'm still yet to play a game of 8th I can't really comment on their in-game performance.