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I think it's a pretty much guaranteed that space wolves will get some kit to introduce primaris into their lines. It's a certain at this point, whether their release is in June or not.

Orks are guaranteed nothing though.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
I think it's a pretty much guaranteed that space wolves will get some kit to introduce primaris into their lines.

Primaris Close Combat Weapons.

Although in reality it will probably just be a bunch of heads with crazy hair.

 FrozenDwarf wrote:
it means the codex has a lot of pages.
there wont be any new models released.

They've literally said there will be new models.

CassianSol wrote:

 FrozenDwarf wrote:
it means the codex has a lot of pages.
there wont be any new models released.

They've literally said there will be new models.

Where? You have a source?

Most playtested edition ever.

Stux wrote:

 ChargerIIC wrote:

Suspect Wolves are getting a couple primaris options.

That would be pretty significant. We haven't seen any truly unique Primaris units for any other chapters. Just an upgrade sprue and the odd alternate Lieutenant sculpt.

Agreed. If any IoM faction would get unique primaris it would be wolves. Their codex/index almost shuns 'normal' models in the past. I'm guessing some kind of flanker that'll be 'reviers but different' and I'm privately hoping for some Cav since somebody at GW really, really wants to make SW some kind of non-bike cav force. I mean seriously, there are a lot of giant wolf calvary in that faction. I'm also dreaming of some kind of 'Ork Hunters' like the Tyrannic veterans of Ultramar.

Overall I'm thinking they decided wolves would get a couple new models and I suspect anything not a resculpt for marines will be primaris by default.

 Billagio wrote:

Dont forget the ability to Forge A Narrative™ with 100% more randomness for the sake of randomness for orks

I very much doubt that. Unless they have:

Units which roll on a random table to see which other random table you roll on to see what they do each turn

Random tables for Shokk Attack Guns (one for light infantry, one for heavy infantry, one for vehicles)

Random tables to determine what's in the warboss' kombi-weapon

Rules to represent your vehicles and heavy weapons breaking down, and your Mekboyz having limited resources to repair them

Warbikes facing a random direction every time they fire their bike cannon

Field guns firing randomly across the battlefield (bouncing a random number of times, each in a random direction)

Psykers firing their powers in a random direction, and getting an amount of powers partly determined by how many Orks are nearby at the time

then you're doing well. I pity anyone who ever tried to play Orks using all the rules in 1st edition.

It will be 4 whole chickens for one and dry white toast for the other.

zerosignal wrote:
Most playtested edition ever.

You are confusing 40K with WM/H.

"Absolutely Packed" is just hyperbole and marketing. Come on!

I'm sure the Space Wolves will get a new Primaris Troop box set that will be Intercessors with a Space Wolf upgrade sprue containing SW shoulder pads, a couple SW bolter rifles, SW bling, and a couple wild hair, bearded heads and pig tails, because nothing says SW like wild hair, beards, and pig tails.

For the Orks- who knows. I hesitate to say anything is better then what they have now, because GW in the past has proven how wrong that statement can be.

 lolman1c wrote:

CassianSol wrote:

 FrozenDwarf wrote:
it means the codex has a lot of pages.
there wont be any new models released.

They've literally said there will be new models.

Where? You have a source?

The GW panel at UK Games Expo. I was there for it.

Nothing was shown on screen, but someone got there before me to ask if Orks were going to get new kits. The answer was that that was the panel for Codexes now, or something like that - though given the Harlequins model release was a terrain kit, take from that what you will.

On the other hand, the majority of their answers were very politician-like, so aside from the odd "Look at Warhammer Community in roughly X period of time", most things didn't get firm answers.

Some Ork terrain would be cool, although the BS 5+ of Imperial terrain works pretty well for making Orky equivalents of Imperial models.

 Dakka Flakka Flame wrote:
Some Ork terrain would be cool, although the BS 5+ of Imperial terrain works pretty well for making Orky equivalents of Imperial models.

If Orks only get a terrain feature I'll be seriously disappointed. The webway gate is the perfect example of what I would not want from GW in terms of new models.

I'm pretty sure you're going to be disappointed regardless of what orks get, so...

I know there is the infamous out of focus windmill-model pick - but if they were going Prime Ork Ghaz, rivalling a Daemon Primarch in scale, I feel something would have appeared somewhere if it was going to be coming out in 6-8 weeks. There are a few rumour engine posts that could maybe qualify - but the new GW is rarely that shy about their kits.

I guess if its late July that is still someway off and they are busy with the AoS hype (and probably Primaris with hair hype too) but still.

A new Ghaz, a new weirdboy, a new Tankbustas/kommandos kit and a buggy/trakk/scorcha kit would seem a reasonable set of units. Perhaps chuck in something entirely new.

After all GW doesn't seem inclined to re-release old kits these days (although I am probably missing an obvious one) so if they were to do say Tankbustas, it would probably be alongside a new unit X so the older collectors have something to buy. Or the unit would be changed so it can take new wargear or something like that.

 Arachnofiend wrote:
I'm pretty sure you're going to be disappointed regardless of what orks get, so...

How's that? I'd take any actual models of y'know, something other than a structure.

I'll be picking up any new models too, even if they don't necessarily belong in my army (aka - a new Ghazzy model). Your assumption is both unfounded and incorrect.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

Orks are guaranteed nothing though.

Even I'm not THAT pessimistic, and just look at my signature.

Last edition's ork codex came out with, what, 4 new model box sets? And that codex was basically a train wreck smashing into a dumpster fire. I wouldn't be at all surprised if they tossed something new our way.

I don't think it's likely at ALL that ghaz will get anything like a primork status, but a new model for him wouldn't shock me.

 Peregrine wrote:
It means you will get a codex full off Games™ Workshop™ Citadel™ FineRules™, packed with 110% Games™ Workshop™ Hobby™ Goodness™. You won't believe how much content will be in your new Games™ Workshop™ Codex™. We've really outdone ourselves this time. We copy/pasted the same relics and warlord traits from the Ultramarines™, but now with 110% MORE WOLVES™. Give your Wolf™ Lord™ on Citadel™ Thunderwolf™ and Wolf™ Sword™ and Armor™ Of™ The™ Space™ Wolf™, or use the new BORK BORK I SEE A FOOD™ stratagem to have your Space™ Puppies™ get that scrap of food on the floor on a 2+. PACKED™ WITH™ CONTENT™.

I had to exalt this post. You said this perfectly.

It is unusual for GW to hide new models for this long. Although, forgive me if i am wrong, the webway crap did kinda co e out of nowhere like a week kr so before the model came out.

 lolman1c wrote:
It is unusual for GW to hide new models for this long. Although, forgive me if i am wrong, the webway crap did kinda co e out of nowhere like a week kr so before the model came out.

in fairness though we've got AOS 2.0 coming out in June, so they could simply not wanna steal it's thunder by say announcing "primeork Gazzakul" that said it seems that GW is introducing new character models more via events then simple codex releases so..

 lolman1c wrote:
It is unusual for GW to hide new models for this long. Although, forgive me if i am wrong, the webway crap did kinda co e out of nowhere like a week kr so before the model came out.

The one rumor I heard about new models was for Orks, and it was that the Codex would include an entry for Looted Tanks.

So, maybe there's a model that already exists that can now be used for Orks.

 techsoldaten wrote:

 lolman1c wrote:
It is unusual for GW to hide new models for this long. Although, forgive me if i am wrong, the webway crap did kinda co e out of nowhere like a week kr so before the model came out.

The one rumor I heard about new models was for Orks, and it was that the Codex would include an entry for Looted Tanks.

So, maybe there's a model that already exists that can now be used for Orks.

I could see that, even if it was just a rules set for a few specific looted tanks it could really expand the Ork arsenal if you gave them a handfull of looted imperium tanks they could use. Looted Lemen russes for example would fill a pretty solid niche for orks I suspect

 Kap'n Krump wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

Orks are guaranteed nothing though.

Even I'm not THAT pessimistic, and just look at my signature.

Last edition's ork codex came out with, what, 4 new model box sets? And that codex was basically a train wreck smashing into a dumpster fire. I wouldn't be at all surprised if they tossed something new our way.

I don't think it's likely at ALL that ghaz will get anything like a primork status, but a new model for him wouldn't shock me.

I think you misunderstand what I mean because you've taken a sentence completely out of context.

My point is that Space Puppers are guaranteed new models by virtue of Primaris marines existing. Orks are not. We might get new models but it's by no means a guarantee (assuming you ignore everything those who attended the games expo told us).

If SW are not getting anything else than a Primaris upgrade sprue I'm going to be fethin' red with rage. They could have just released the codex with BA/DA and be done with it. The late release is at least to me a slight indication that SW might be getting something new altogether. My hopes are on Russ but who knows, they haven't even teased anything yet.

For Orks I really don't need any new models, I just want a bloody playable army!

 Weazel wrote:
If SW are not getting anything else than a Primaris upgrade sprue I'm going to be fethin' red with rage. They could have just released the codex with BA/DA and be done with it. The late release is at least to me a slight indication that SW might be getting something new altogether. My hopes are on Russ but who knows, they haven't even teased anything yet.

For Orks I really don't need any new models, I just want a bloody playable army!

I don't understand why you'd be upset if wolves released late without anything but not if Orks released late without anything? They could have released the Ork Dex with Craft world and Nids and be done with it.

BrianDavion wrote:

 techsoldaten wrote:

 lolman1c wrote:
It is unusual for GW to hide new models for this long. Although, forgive me if i am wrong, the webway crap did kinda co e out of nowhere like a week kr so before the model came out.

The one rumor I heard about new models was for Orks, and it was that the Codex would include an entry for Looted Tanks.

So, maybe there's a model that already exists that can now be used for Orks.

I could see that, even if it was just a rules set for a few specific looted tanks it could really expand the Ork arsenal if you gave them a handfull of looted imperium tanks they could use. Looted Lemen russes for example would fill a pretty solid niche for orks I suspect

It would make a Blood axes army very much viable. Like in epic where I use looted bloodaxe rhinos (they are real official GW units). The, an ork player who already has every model and buy more models!


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 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 Weazel wrote:
If SW are not getting anything else than a Primaris upgrade sprue I'm going to be fethin' red with rage. They could have just released the codex with BA/DA and be done with it. The late release is at least to me a slight indication that SW might be getting something new altogether. My hopes are on Russ but who knows, they haven't even teased anything yet.

For Orks I really don't need any new models, I just want a bloody playable army!

I don't understand why you'd be upset if wolves released late without anything but not if Orks released late without anything? They could have released the Ork Dex with Craft world and Nids and be done with it.

This is what makes ork so hitt and miss. If there is nothing new then why didn't it come out along side the other major factions? Why was it left until last (alongside the dlc factions as i call them. Nit saying they're not good factions just extention bonus factions if you get me).

 lolman1c wrote:
It is unusual for GW to hide new models for this long. Although, forgive me if i am wrong, the webway crap did kinda co e out of nowhere like a week kr so before the model came out.

Entire faction came out of nowhere in this spring so....Stealer cults also came in rather sneaky. GW has come hard down on rumours outside what they let out past few years

Oh and there's tons of sneak peeks from community no matching models have yet been released...

This as well... but maybe they might not come out with the codex...

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 Weazel wrote:
If SW are not getting anything else than a Primaris upgrade sprue I'm going to be fethin' red with rage. They could have just released the codex with BA/DA and be done with it. The late release is at least to me a slight indication that SW might be getting something new altogether. My hopes are on Russ but who knows, they haven't even teased anything yet.

For Orks I really don't need any new models, I just want a bloody playable army!

I don't understand why you'd be upset if wolves released late without anything but not if Orks released late without anything? They could have released the Ork Dex with Craft world and Nids and be done with it.

Well they have already confirmed there will be new models for Orks. I just said I don't particularly _need_ anything but if we're getting stuff I'll take it! Updated rules and buffs for both factions is what I'm more interested in, because my enjoyment and willingness to play 40k has dwindled because I cannot field a decently competitive army with either faction.

I'd be super happy and amazed if we get both Ghazghkull "Primork" Thraka and Leman Russ models, but if we at least get something exciting then I guess it might have been worth the wait. If it's just a primaris sprue for wolves I am disappoint.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 Weazel wrote:
If SW are not getting anything else than a Primaris upgrade sprue I'm going to be fethin' red with rage. They could have just released the codex with BA/DA and be done with it. The late release is at least to me a slight indication that SW might be getting something new altogether. My hopes are on Russ but who knows, they haven't even teased anything yet.

For Orks I really don't need any new models, I just want a bloody playable army!

I don't understand why you'd be upset if wolves released late without anything but not if Orks released late without anything? They could have released the Ork Dex with Craft world and Nids and be done with it.

Because Orks at least can be argued to need a fair bit of work, space Wolves if they get nothing new, and just the standard primaris stuff, it's like "why wait so long?"

I kinda felt that all chapter specific stuff would be pushed either super early or last... when I saw grey knights I thought that was the start but by spreading it all out they have done a few things.
Created a very uneven playing feild where half of marine players have a pretty good army and half of them have an army that had the same units but at a widely different price.
Yet, you ahve also made sure not all imperial players codecies suck because they came first.