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**Vaktathi**

Virginia and North Carolina have recalled their National Guard troops from border duties. Not that theres a lot of them, but its interesting nonetheless.

https://mobile.twitter.com/GovernorVA/status/1009138091066523648

https://mobile.twitter.com/NC_Governor/status/1009149319293915138

**Ustrello**

Vaktathi wrote:
Virginia and North Carolina have recalled their National Guard troops from border duties. Not that theres a lot of them, but its interesting nonetheless.

https://mobile.twitter.com/GovernorVA/status/1009138091066523648

https://mobile.twitter.com/NC_Governor/status/1009149319293915138

How many national guardsmen were deployed to the border? Because between the two states that is 7 guardsmen and 1 helicopter or less than 200 points in warhammer

**Togusa**

Disciple of Fate wrote:
Togusa wrote:
Disciple of Fate wrote:

Between unemployment being at its lowest since 2000, a record streak of 91 months of consecutive job growth, the US economy having more growth momentum than predicted and having one of the longest growth periods in history since 2009 I would say its doing pretty well wouldn't you say?

All of these issues you mention are in no way, shape or form caused by immigrants. These issues could easily be tackled if money was budgeted away towards tackling these problems instead of giving tax cuts to the rich. The US is in a much better condition now then when illegal border crossings were 4 to 5 times higher, so why the heavy handed approach now?

I did not claim they were caused by immigrants. I said they were problems our nation faces. Nice try.

The job numbers are what you say. I still have seen no relief in my family, or my communities lives. We're still limping along as are 99% of people I personally know. If it changes 1-2 years down the road, great! But for now, I am still struggling to get buy as much as I was in December of 2014, March of 2015 and June of 2016, as well as December 2017.

The issues that I mention cannot be solved by money. We've been throwing money at problems and waging "wars on things" for decades with little to show.

Drugs: Can't be fixed until we recognize that abuse is a medical issue and that these people belong in a hospital and not a prison.

We've more or less been at war for the last 70 some odd years in this country, moving from nation to nation sucking up resources and leaving only death in our wake.

Our politicians are corrupted and our population is lazy, devoid of the basic ability to reason. They don't even vote!

Racial issues will not be solved by money, these issues cannot be solved by a government. It is up to the society as a whole to correct these attitudes. Governments can put more restrictions and training on police and local agencies, but that won't do anything to control the skin head that lives down the street and works at the local mill.

Student debt issues were caused by government intrusion into the higher education system and the garuntee of FAFSA loans. ( I can provide more on this if you like as it is related to my actual job, and I am a victim of this issue as well personally.)

Healthcare also cannot be solely changed by throwing money at the problem. The society and the insurance groups have just as much influence and power as the actual government agencies and laws that police health in the US.

Also, I stated what I have heard from supporters of the presidents policy for the children. I did not state that I agreed with it, or supported it.

Sorry, i did not mean to imply you said that. I'm just saying that the statement that the US "cannot handle this influx of refugees in our current state" is simply not true, because all these problems existed when the US economy did a lot worse and there was a far larger influx of people crossing the border, with the US surviving just fine.

What you are describing is tragic, but the only reason that that is going the way it is is because of how business and society works. Whether people cross the border or not has no effect on anyone trying to solve the situation you and the people you know are in, its completely unrelated. If anything the bizarre focus on people crossing the border is diverting funds from places that could use it far more. You need structural solutions completely unrelated and unaffected by this.

No problem, I actually only wanted to state that I did not imply that. I will remove the "nice try" sarcasm from the post.

I don't know if it is unrelated. If our nation faces very serious problems, how can we be expected to take on the problems of neighbor nations and not see a dramatic drop int he quality of life for our own citizens, especially those most vulnerable who will now have to compete with illegals for what little government services exist?

**d-usa**

To quote a sexual predator:

**Vaktathi**

Ustrello wrote:
Vaktathi wrote:
Virginia and North Carolina have recalled their National Guard troops from border duties. Not that theres a lot of them, but its interesting nonetheless.

https://mobile.twitter.com/GovernorVA/status/1009138091066523648

https://mobile.twitter.com/NC_Governor/status/1009149319293915138

How many national guardsmen were deployed to the border? Because between the two states that is 7 guardsmen and 1 helicopter or less than 200 points in warhammer

That appears to be it, but its more a major political stick in the eye, and will make federalization of the NG a wee bit more awkward if Trump was thinking that.

**Disciple of Fate**

Togusa wrote:

No problem, I actually only wanted to state that I did not imply that. I will remove the "nice try" sarcasm from the post.

I don't know if it is unrelated. If our nation faces very serious problems, how can we be expected to take on the problems of neighbor nations and not see a dramatic drop int he quality of life for our own citizens, especially those most vulnerable who will now have to compete with illegals for what little government services exist?

No need, its sometimes hard to accurately convey what people are trying to say, with my quick writing style not always helping.

As to the compete part, that is hard to say. Most end up paying taxes while not being able to access the full range of services available to citizens. But the situation is never going to be improved if politics carries on as usual. Illegal border crossings in the south have been steadily decreasing, yet the issues remain. If there is competition for services, its more of an expression of government failing the people. Illegal immigrants crossing like this represent only a fraction of the yearly increase in population (1/4th of legal migration and 1/12th of births), if that puts the system under that much pressure its a political issue.

**Mario**

KTG17 wrote:** I used to consider myself a wavy line between both parties and proudly stated I was an independent, but I am so sick of liberals and the extreme/elitist left that it's pushing me to the right. I am not racist, sexist, or anything else liberals like to use on Trump supporters. And I didn't even vote for the guy. But just about everyone in my family did. So yes, I resent that label of 'basket of deplorables'. Its astonishing to me that many of the servicemen and women who are defending America's interest around the world are thrown into that basket too. And then you have Bill Maher hoping for a recession so Trump loses? Of course he does, cause he knows Trump will win re-election because the democrats haven't a single candidate to lead them. All liberals can do is hope Trump fails. Which is absolutely crazy and damn near treasonous to me. The last thing I want to see is Americans lose their jobs, families to suffer, etc, so my choice of candidate can take office.

So all those who bash the right and Trump should spend some time checking out what is coming from the left. Its pretty poisonous too.

Nobody's doing that to you, you are choosing to align yourself with Trump and those people. That's a choice you made, nobody forced you into it. Take responsibility for your own actions.

That aside: How come the extreme right isn't pushing you to the left? Are you just conveniently ignoring them—and if that's the case why can't you do the same for the extreme left—or do you actually sympathise with their hateful rhetoric?

**Togusa**

Disciple of Fate wrote:
Togusa wrote:

No problem, I actually only wanted to state that I did not imply that. I will remove the "nice try" sarcasm from the post.

I don't know if it is unrelated. If our nation faces very serious problems, how can we be expected to take on the problems of neighbor nations and not see a dramatic drop int he quality of life for our own citizens, especially those most vulnerable who will now have to compete with illegals for what little government services exist?

No need, its sometimes hard to accurately convey what people are trying to say, with my quick writing style not always helping.

As to the compete part, that is hard to say. Most end up paying taxes while not being able to access the full range of services available to citizens. But the situation is never going to be improved if politics carries on as usual. Illegal border crossings in the south have been steadily decreasing, yet the issues remain. If there is competition for services, its more of an expression of government failing the people. Illegal immigrants crossing like this represent only a fraction of the yearly increase in population (1/4th of legal migration and 1/12th of births), if that puts the system under that much pressure its a political issue.

Well it actually speaks volumes to some of the issues I was talking about, how hateful we are becoming to one another, all due to the general decline of our countries society.

Some questions I think really need to be pressed on the White House. One in particular is why the influx of illegals? If we could ever get a president and congress to admit that Mexico is in dire need of help, both financially and from a military position, we might be able to get something done.

We know the Rangers and the Seals could wipe out most of the leadership of these cartels that flood this region with violence and drugs. After they're gone, it's only a matter of fighting the corruption (half of that job would be already done) and building an economy for Mexico. In 40-60 years it could be a paradise.

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Mario wrote:
KTG17 wrote:** I used to consider myself a wavy line between both parties and proudly stated I was an independent, but I am so sick of liberals and the extreme/elitist left that it's pushing me to the right. I am not racist, sexist, or anything else liberals like to use on Trump supporters. And I didn't even vote for the guy. But just about everyone in my family did. So yes, I resent that label of 'basket of deplorables'. Its astonishing to me that many of the servicemen and women who are defending America's interest around the world are thrown into that basket too. And then you have Bill Maher hoping for a recession so Trump loses? Of course he does, cause he knows Trump will win re-election because the democrats haven't a single candidate to lead them. All liberals can do is hope Trump fails. Which is absolutely crazy and damn near treasonous to me. The last thing I want to see is Americans lose their jobs, families to suffer, etc, so my choice of candidate can take office.

So all those who bash the right and Trump should spend some time checking out what is coming from the left. Its pretty poisonous too.
Nobody's doing that to you, you are choosing to align yourself with Trump and those people. That's a choice you made, nobody forced you into it. Take responsibility for your own actions.

That aside: How come the extreme right isn't pushing you to the left? Are you just conveniently ignoring them—and if that's the case why can't you do the same for the extreme left—or do you actually sympathise with their hateful rhetoric?

Wait, isn't he complaining about the literal same thing that was done by the Republicans during Obama's tenure? I remember vividly hearing Everyone from McConnell to Hannity and Limbaugh dictating that repubs fight Obama even if it destroy's america.

**Vulcan**

oldravenman3025 wrote:
Nobody has yet to convince me that being required to show a driver's license, military ID, or State identification card is an infringment on anybody's rights. Maybe on the voting rights of people now residing in my local graveyard perhaps. But not among living, citizens that haven't lost the right due to disqualifying categories (such as convicted felons).

State offices which issue official identifications are only open limited hours, and are often inconveniently placed for people who do not own cars. If you work a crummy job, getting time off to renew is often a huge issue, especially if you don't have a car and wind up walking a mile or more from the nearest mass-transit stop. And heaven help the poor person without a car who has illness or injuries that make such a walk difficult, if not impossible. Say, an elderly person on very limited income who is no longer physically capable of driving, or a vet who was blinded in action and cannot find work he's qualified for...

Now add into that the occasional state that closes a lot of DMV offices near areas where one party's voters are concentrated, and the only place to get an ID is now located several miles into a very affluent neighborhood... and imagine the reaction of the police in that very affluent neighborhood when lots of poor people come strolling down the road.

**Ustrello**

Vulcan wrote:
oldravenman3025 wrote:
Nobody has yet to convince me that being required to show a driver's license, military ID, or State identification card is an infringment on anybody's rights. Maybe on the voting rights of people now residing in my local graveyard perhaps. But not among living, citizens that haven't lost the right due to disqualifying categories (such as convicted felons).

State offices which issue official identifications are only open limited hours, and are often inconveniently placed for people who do not own cars. If you work a crummy job, getting time off to renew is often a huge issue, especially if you don't have a car and wind up walking a mile or more from the nearest mass-transit stop. And heaven help the poor person without a car who has illness or injuries that make such a walk difficult, if not impossible. Say, an elderly person on very limited income who is no longer physically capable of driving, or a vet who was blinded in action and cannot find work he's qualified for...

Now add into that the occasional state that closes a lot of DMV offices near areas where one party's voters are concentrated, and the only place to get an ID is now located several miles into a very affluent neighborhood... and imagine the reaction of the police in that very affluent neighborhood when lots of poor people come strolling down the road.

Or even the fact that a judge said it was unconstitutional

**Vulcan**

Spinner wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
Easy E wrote:
As many of you know, I am a small business owner in a rural upper midwest town. I am a "Job-Creator" for about 20+ peope. I am far away from the Mexican border, so far in fact that I can drive to Canada in less than a day.

about 60 days ago, my best worker was pulled over for a violation. She was arrested and then sent to an immigration holding facility. Within 60 days she was deported to Mexico without even getting a day in court or an attorney.

She had been a resident since she was 1. She was not very good at speaking Spanish, as English was her native language. She has two kids who are now stranded in our state as the father has been out of the picture and in Texas.
She was employed, a hard worker, paid taxes, had HS degree, and saving up money for a house. Now, she is in a strange land where she knows no one and can barely speak the language.

We have many Mexican and Hispanic residents and business owners in my community. They are scared that at any moment someone can come, accuse them of a crime, have their kids taken from them, and shipped to Mexico without any recourse. She only had the clothes on her back and the money in her pocket when she was arrested.

I used to think this was hyperbole, until I saw it happen to my own friend. Each of them has a similar story.

I thought I knew and understood what it meant to be an American and the values we stood for as a society. In the last two years, what I thought I knew has been proven wrong to me..... many, many times in the last 2 years.

I don't know who "started it" and I do not care. All I want is for it to stop. The only ones who can stop it right now are Republicans, as they control all three branches of the Federal government, and the Legislature of my state. They are the only ones who can stop it, and this "Paper Please" reign of terror. If they can or won't stop it, I will support with time, money, efforts, and votes for those who can.

That is what this issues means to me. It is no longer an abstract concept. My friends and fellow "Job-creators" are scared, my friends and workers have been deported, the families of my friends have been shattered and their communities broken up. I do not know what is or is not legal, or who is responsible, but I can clearly see that the effects of these policies are not the American values I thought I understood.

I literally don't believe this story.Either she was telling a story or you are telling a story.

Why?

You already know why.

**Ouze**

KTG17 wrote:
I used to consider myself a wavy line between both parties and proudly stated I was an independent, but I am so sick of liberals and the extreme/elitist left that it's pushing me to the right.

"I had to vote for Trump because liberals were mean to me" - the rallying cry of the Party of Personal Responsibility.

**Vulcan**

Frazzled wrote:
Ouze wrote:
Yes, at this point the GOP holds the presidency, both houses of congress, and a majority on the SCOTUS, which is why it's especially execrable when the democrats are randomly getting blamed for stuff (like the lie about them being responsible for child separation).

Even if it were true (and it's not), the GOP literally holds every level of power currently. They have never seemed to be able to move past the aggrieved language of minority losers into actually governing. Even now, it's a near daily tired of persecution and unjustness straight from the twitter feed of the POTUS. The election is long over and they don't seem to realize they won.

Yes. At this point I am ok with that. Waiting on changing fates to bring in better people. The US cycles. We are in a low point. That will change.

At this point we're not really all that low. Things can get a lot worse. Whether they will or not depends on what happens in the next couple elections. If politicians continue to double-down on the "us vs. them" mentality instead of a "United States" mentality, we're going to prove Ben Franklin's famous quote and, indeed, hang separately.

**Ustrello**

Ouze wrote:
KTG17 wrote:
I used to consider myself a wavy line between both parties and proudly stated I was an independent, but I am so sick of liberals and the extreme/elitist left that it's pushing me to the right.

"I had to vote for Trump because liberals were mean to me" - the rallying cry of the Party of Personal Responsibility.

Snowflake party 2020

**d-usa**

A prevalent complaint against the Democratic Party has been that they spend to much time embracing identity politics. But at the same time embracing identity politics seems to be the focus of the Trump Administration, and the GOP is switching their principles to do the same.

**whembly**

d-usa wrote:
A prevalent complaint against the Democratic Party has been that they spend to much time embracing identity politics. But at the same time embracing identity politics seems to be the focus of the Trump Administration, and the GOP is switching their principles to do the same.

Huh? I don't quite follow...

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Vulcan wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
Ouze wrote:
Yes, at this point the GOP holds the presidency, both houses of congress, and a majority on the SCOTUS, which is why it's especially execrable when the democrats are randomly getting blamed for stuff (like the lie about them being responsible for child separation).

Even if it were true (and it's not), the GOP literally holds every level of power currently. They have never seemed to be able to move past the aggrieved language of minority losers into actually governing. Even now, it's a near daily tired of persecution and unjustness straight from the twitter feed of the POTUS. The election is long over and they don't seem to realize they won.

Yes. At this point I am ok with that. Waiting on changing fates to bring in better people. The US cycles. We are in a low point. That will change.

At this point we're not really all that low. Things can get a lot worse. Whether they will or not depends on what happens in the next couple elections. If politicians continue to double-down on the "us vs. them" mentality instead of a "United States" mentality, we're going to prove Ben Franklin's famous quote and, indeed, hang separately.

It's been "us vs. them" for as long as I can remember... progressively getting worst too (compounded by social media).

We've hit bottom man... anyone worst than Trump (or HRC for that matter) is scrapping the bottom of the barrel.

Time for some new blood... stat.

**Dreadclaw69**

d-usa wrote:
A prevalent complaint against the Democratic Party has been that they spend to much time embracing identity politics. But at the same time embracing identity politics seems to be the focus of the Trump Administration, and the GOP is switching their principles to do the same.

Maybe this is the parties about to switch positions again.

**BaronIveagh**

whembly wrote:

Do you have citation for that?

If you're going to the border entry, or other port of entries (ie, US consulate, airports, etc...) and claim asylum, then no laws are broken. Are you saying in this scenario, every kid is being separated?

I think there's a awful lot of conflation between those who legally follow the law vs those who illegally enter the country and then claim asylum when caught.

Earlier I linked to ACLU's current case file on it, but am A bit busy atm to sort through the thread, even though it's not long atm.

**Wolfblade**

BaronIveagh wrote:
whembly wrote:

Do you have citation for that?

If you're going to the border entry, or other port of entries (ie, US consulate, airports, etc...) and claim asylum, then no laws are broken. Are you saying in this scenario, every kid is being separated?

I think there's a awful lot of conflation between those who legally follow the law vs those who illegally enter the country and then claim asylum when caught.

Earlier I linked to ACLU's current case file on it, but am A bit busy atm to sort through the thread, even though it's not long atm.

https://www.aclu.org/blog/immigrants-rights/ice-and-border-patrol-abuses/ice-separates-18-month-old-mother-months

**whembly**

*okay, I'll read that aclu case in a bit*

So... to those who keep saying that the GOP has unbridled power to pass whatever they need to "fix" the issues of the day?

Democrats need to play ball too:

Guy Benson
✔
@guypbenson
Top Senate Dem preemptively comes out against all GOP proposals on family separation issue. “Schumer said they want to keep the focus on Trump.”

Rejecting compromise solutions looks cynical amid humanitarian crisis. Is this about the kids, or Trump? http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/393069-schumer-rejects-gop-proposal-to-address-border-crisis …

3:45 PM - Jun 19, 2018

**d-usa**

Did the Democrats take the majority without anyone noticing?

**Wolfblade**

whembly wrote:
*okay, I'll read that aclu case in a bit*

So... to those who keep saying that the GOP has unbridled power to pass whatever they need to "fix" the issues of the day?

Democrats need to play ball too:

Guy Benson
✔
@guypbenson
Top Senate Dem preemptively comes out against all GOP proposals on family separation issue. “Schumer said they want to keep the focus on Trump.”

Rejecting compromise solutions looks cynical amid humanitarian crisis. Is this about the kids, or Trump? http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/393069-schumer-rejects-gop-proposal-to-address-border-crisis …

3:45 PM - Jun 19, 2018

from your article:

"Again, the president can change it with his pen,” he said, warning that Republicans would likely try to add poison-pill provisions to any immigration bill that came to the floor.
“Unacceptable additions have bogged down every piece of legislation we’ve done,” he said."

On top of that, Republicans have the majority, they don't need the democrats help currently to pass anything. Also Guy Benson is also a fox news contributor, worked for Andrew Breitbart, and wrote for national review. Excuse me while I take anything he says with a couple pounds of salt considering he has worked for some of the most biased "news" sites/organizations ever, and working for any one of those is a pretty big red flag to credibility, trustworthiness or factual correctness.

**d-usa**

The thing is, both the Senate and the House have a bill that is bipartisan and has the votes to pass both chambers.

The GOP is refusing to allow a vote on those bills because Trump said no.

**whembly**

d-usa wrote:
Did the Democrats take the majority without anyone noticing?

Are you ignoring the fact that the Senate needs 60 votes?

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Wolfblade wrote:
whembly wrote:
*okay, I'll read that aclu case in a bit*

So... to those who keep saying that the GOP has unbridled power to pass whatever they need to "fix" the issues of the day?

Democrats need to play ball too:

Guy Benson
✔
@guypbenson
Top Senate Dem preemptively comes out against all GOP proposals on family separation issue. “Schumer said they want to keep the focus on Trump.”

Rejecting compromise solutions looks cynical amid humanitarian crisis. Is this about the kids, or Trump? http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/393069-schumer-rejects-gop-proposal-to-address-border-crisis …

3:45 PM - Jun 19, 2018

from your article:

"Again, the president can change it with his pen,” he said, warning that Republicans would likely try to add poison-pill provisions to any immigration bill that came to the floor.
“Unacceptable additions have bogged down every piece of legislation we’ve done,” he said."

On top of that, Republicans have the majority, they don't need the democrats help currently to pass anything. Also Guy Benson is also a fox news contributor, worked for Andrew Breitbart, and wrote for national review. Excuse me while I take anything he says with a couple pounds of salt considering he has worked for some of the most biased "news" sites/organizations ever, and working for any one of those is a pretty big red flag to credibility, trustworthiness or factual correctness.

The GOP can't pass bills like this by themselves... they need enough Democrats to reach 60 votes.

And no, the President can't change laws on the books... that's what Obama did with DACA/DAPA.

**Ustrello**

Except you have been ignoring the fact that there are bipartisan bills with support but the GOP leadership is refusing a vote

**whembly**

Ustrello wrote:
Except you have been ignoring the fact that there are bipartisan bills with support but the GOP leadership is refusing a vote

You talking about those immigration reform bills?

**Wolfblade**

whembly wrote:
d-usa wrote:
Did the Democrats take the majority without anyone noticing?

Are you ignoring the fact that the Senate needs 60 votes?

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Wolfblade wrote:
whembly wrote:
*okay, I'll read that aclu case in a bit*

So... to those who keep saying that the GOP has unbridled power to pass whatever they need to "fix" the issues of the day?

Democrats need to play ball too:

Guy Benson
✔
@guypbenson
Top Senate Dem preemptively comes out against all GOP proposals on family separation issue. “Schumer said they want to keep the focus on Trump.”

Rejecting compromise solutions looks cynical amid humanitarian crisis. Is this about the kids, or Trump? http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/393069-schumer-rejects-gop-proposal-to-address-border-crisis …

3:45 PM - Jun 19, 2018

from your article:

"Again, the president can change it with his pen,” he said, warning that Republicans would likely try to add poison-pill provisions to any immigration bill that came to the floor.
“Unacceptable additions have bogged down every piece of legislation we’ve done,” he said."

On top of that, Republicans have the majority, they don't need the democrats help currently to pass anything. Also Guy Benson is also a fox news contributor, worked for Andrew Breitbart, and wrote for national review. Excuse me while I take anything he says with a couple pounds of salt considering he has worked for some of the most biased "news" sites/organizations ever, and working for any one of those is a pretty big red flag to credibility, trustworthiness or factual correctness.

The GOP can't pass bills like this by themselves... they need enough Democrats to reach 60 votes.

And no, the President can't change laws on the books... that's what Obama did with DACA/DAPA.

Wrong, you need 60 to end a filibuster or force a vote on the bill, otherwise just a majority to pass said bill.

Also nice to see you avoid the stuff about your source being literal garbage.

**whembly**

Wolfblade wrote:
whembly wrote:
d-usa wrote:
Did the Democrats take the majority without anyone noticing?

Are you ignoring the fact that the Senate needs 60 votes?

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Wolfblade wrote:
whembly wrote:
*okay, I'll read that aclu case in a bit*

So... to those who keep saying that the GOP has unbridled power to pass whatever they need to "fix" the issues of the day?

Democrats need to play ball too:

Guy Benson
✔
@guypbenson
Top Senate Dem preemptively comes out against all GOP proposals on family separation issue. “Schumer said they want to keep the focus on Trump.”

Rejecting compromise solutions looks cynical amid humanitarian crisis. Is this about the kids, or Trump? http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/393069-schumer-rejects-gop-proposal-to-address-border-crisis …

3:45 PM - Jun 19, 2018

from your article:

"Again, the president can change it with his pen,” he said, warning that Republicans would likely try to add poison-pill provisions to any immigration bill that came to the floor.
“Unacceptable additions have bogged down every piece of legislation we’ve done,” he said."

On top of that, Republicans have the majority, they don't need the democrats help currently to pass anything. Also Guy Benson is also a fox news contributor, worked for Andrew Breitbart, and wrote for national review. Excuse me while I take anything he says with a couple pounds of salt considering he has worked for some of the most biased "news" sites/organizations ever, and working for any one of those is a pretty big red flag to credibility, trustworthiness or factual correctness.

The GOP can't pass bills like this by themselves... they need enough Democrats to reach 60 votes.

And no, the President can't change laws on the books... that's what Obama did with DACA/DAPA.

Wrong, you need 60 to end a filibuster, otherwise just a majority.

So you think the Democrats "won't" filibuster?

**Co'tor Shas**

whembly wrote:

So you think the Democrats "won't" filibuster?

Does that matter? At least they'll be trying. And if they do then it's the D's fault (or at least that's the perception).

**Wolfblade**

whembly wrote:
Wolfblade wrote:
whembly wrote:
d-usa wrote:
Did the Democrats take the majority without anyone noticing?

Are you ignoring the fact that the Senate needs 60 votes?

Automatically Appended Next Post:

Wolfblade wrote:
whembly wrote:
*okay, I'll read that aclu case in a bit*

So... to those who keep saying that the GOP has unbridled power to pass whatever they need to "fix" the issues of the day?

Democrats need to play ball too:

Guy Benson
✔
@guypbenson
Top Senate Dem preemptively comes out against all GOP proposals on family separation issue. “Schumer said they want to keep the focus on Trump.”

Rejecting compromise solutions looks cynical amid humanitarian crisis. Is this about the kids, or Trump? http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/393069-schumer-rejects-gop-proposal-to-address-border-crisis …

3:45 PM - Jun 19, 2018

from your article:

"Again, the president can change it with his pen,” he said, warning that Republicans would likely try to add poison-pill provisions to any immigration bill that came to the floor.
“Unacceptable additions have bogged down every piece of legislation we’ve done,” he said."

On top of that, Republicans have the majority, they don't need the democrats help currently to pass anything. Also Guy Benson is also a fox news contributor, worked for Andrew Breitbart, and wrote for national review. Excuse me while I take anything he says with a couple pounds of salt considering he has worked for some of the most biased "news" sites/organizations ever, and working for any one of those is a pretty big red flag to credibility, trustworthiness or factual correctness.

The GOP can't pass bills like this by themselves... they need enough Democrats to reach 60 votes.

And no, the President can't change laws on the books... that's what Obama did with DACA/DAPA.

Wrong, you need 60 to end a filibuster, otherwise just a majority.

So you think the Democrats "won't" filibuster?

Filibusters used to be the exception, not the rule. But ignoring that, the bill has bipartisan support, except for trump. It'd pass if trump was willing to sign it.