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Da Boss wrote: Actual success or achievement does not matter to Trump or his supporters. Just declaring victory is the main thing.
I disagree...
Most Trump supporters shrug their shoulders for things he says... simple points out the things his administration have done.
Abducted children?
You mean, separating children when someone breaks the law?
No, I mean taking children from people legally applying for asylum - or, at the worst, committing a misdemeanor - transporting them across the country - to what are apparently really shoddy facilities, unless you're a fan of lice and tranquilizing traumatized toddlers - and using them as hostages for political leverage.
The people defending this don't get to gloss over what they're defending. Some of those children are never going to reunite with their parents. One man hanged himself after they took his kid.
Da Boss wrote: Actual success or achievement does not matter to Trump or his supporters. Just declaring victory is the main thing.
I disagree...
Most Trump supporters shrug their shoulders for things he says... simple points out the things his administration have done.
Abducted children?
You mean, separating children when someone breaks the law?
No, I mean taking children from people legally applying for asylum - or, at the worst, committing a misdemeanor - transporting them across the country - to what are apparently really shoddy facilities, unless you're a fan of lice and tranquilizing traumatized toddlers - and using them as hostages for political leverage.
The people defending this don't get to gloss over what they're defending. Some of those children are never going to reunite with their parents. One man hanged himself after they took his kid.
Sad situation. People crossing the borders are do not get to escape breaking the law.
Kids being separated from legit Asylum cases seems wrong, I'll give you that.
Well of course you'd try and both sides this, but that's false. This is a problem of the GOP and the GOP alone. The Dems have the opposite problem, always looking to pick each other off and prove their own virtue/intellect by hammering some other liberal.
No. I'm trying hard not to get snooker'ed in the daily hysteria that we've seen day-in/day-out by folks who simply can't believe how badly the democrats lost. I mean, JUST TODAY there were posts/tweets about the russian spy in the oval office!
And this is exactly the human centipede I'm talking about. News breaks of FBI charges against a Russian woman alleged to have worked under Kremlin instruction, who used the NRA to ingratiate herself with a large number of senior Republican leaders, and what do you read about and repeat back on this forum? Some inane anecdote about some liberals being wrong about one photo of the woman.
Eat up.
No, I understand that. My point was to rhetorically ask "how do you prove this" so that you can use the corroborating evidence to prosecute/sanction the perp.
That's not a serious question. It is not a thing that is needed to advance the case. Read the indictments handed down already. The hacking, wire fraud, and 'conspiracy against United States' charges can all be entirely substantiated without any need to prove a vote was changed.
No, you're fundamentally dishonest being that you've always defend The Dear Precious...and yet, it's *me* that's playing team sport? Please, pick up a mirror sometimes...even I've surmised in the past that I was bitten by the Obama Derangement Syndrome (ODS). But, hey... I've said all that needed to be said on this subject, so unless you'd want to rehash the arguments and see Ouze post his whembly batcall memes....
Because your claim was taken apart with something as simple as a timeline, you just switch to throwing random 'nuh uh you are' lines. About par for the course, unfortunately.
2) Who the feth is Posobiec?
He's about two people ahead of you in the centipede.
We'll all waiting anxiously for the specific crimes that Trump colluded with Russia.
Can't wait homie... you?
Conspiracy to access a protected computer network. Federal elections laws breaches from engaging foreign citizens to aid an electoral campaign. Conspiracy against the United States, which sounds dramatic but is just regular conspiracy fraud, but where the US is the target (it's what they got Gates on).
How is this news to you? Do not hear anything that doesn't come through the centipede?
Huh? That was a House of Representative committee hearing. If a representative (not a senator) said that, then yes I missed that.
You watched the whole thing, but somehow missed the congressmen saying he knew body language because he's a dentist? Nah.
I was not lying sebster. Please, dial down your animus because it's not a good look for you.
I'm not trying to look good. I'm not even trying to persuade any more. Giving a show of reasonableness in the face of deliberate, cultivated un-reason is how we got to this point.
I'm just gonna fething call it now. When fethers lie I'm gonna point out what they're doing.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
Da Boss wrote: Actual success or achievement does not matter to Trump or his supporters. Just declaring victory is the main thing.
I disagree...
Most Trump supporters shrug their shoulders for things he says... simple points out the things his administration have done.
Abducted children?
You mean, separating children when someone breaks the law?
No, I mean taking children from people legally applying for asylum - or, at the worst, committing a misdemeanor - transporting them across the country - to what are apparently really shoddy facilities, unless you're a fan of lice and tranquilizing traumatized toddlers - and using them as hostages for political leverage.
The people defending this don't get to gloss over what they're defending. Some of those children are never going to reunite with their parents. One man hanged himself after they took his kid.
Sad situation. People crossing the borders are do not get to escape breaking the law.
Kids being separated from legit Asylum cases seems wrong, I'll give you that.
Neither do people caught speeding. We don't hold their children in facilities reporters aren't allowed into. We don't tell their children they're not allowed to hug each other.
Da Boss wrote: Actual success or achievement does not matter to Trump or his supporters. Just declaring victory is the main thing.
I disagree...
Most Trump supporters shrug their shoulders for things he says... simple points out the things his administration have done.
Abducted children?
You mean, separating children when someone breaks the law?
No, I mean taking children from people legally applying for asylum - or, at the worst, committing a misdemeanor - transporting them across the country - to what are apparently really shoddy facilities, unless you're a fan of lice and tranquilizing traumatized toddlers - and using them as hostages for political leverage.
The people defending this don't get to gloss over what they're defending. Some of those children are never going to reunite with their parents. One man hanged himself after they took his kid.
Sad situation. People crossing the borders are do not get to escape breaking the law.
Kids being separated from legit Asylum cases seems wrong, I'll give you that.
Neither do people caught speeding. We don't hold their children in facilities reporters aren't allowed into. We don't tell their children they're not allowed to hug each other.
Its funny for all of whemblys posturing about fetuses and the sanctity of life, he really doesn't care about children when they are born does he
Da Boss wrote: Actual success or achievement does not matter to Trump or his supporters. Just declaring victory is the main thing.
I disagree...
Most Trump supporters shrug their shoulders for things he says... simple points out the things his administration have done.
Abducted children?
You mean, separating children when someone breaks the law?
No, I mean taking children from people legally applying for asylum - or, at the worst, committing a misdemeanor - transporting them across the country - to what are apparently really shoddy facilities, unless you're a fan of lice and tranquilizing traumatized toddlers - and using them as hostages for political leverage.
The people defending this don't get to gloss over what they're defending. Some of those children are never going to reunite with their parents. One man hanged himself after they took his kid.
Sad situation. People crossing the borders are do not get to escape breaking the law.
Kids being separated from legit Asylum cases seems wrong, I'll give you that.
Neither do people caught speeding. We don't hold their children in facilities reporters aren't allowed into. We don't tell their children they're not allowed to hug each other.
Its funny for all of whemblys posturing about fetuses and the sanctity of life, he really doesn't care about children when they are born does he
Par for the course, not so much pro-life as they are pro-forced birth/punishing women.
Da Boss wrote: Actual success or achievement does not matter to Trump or his supporters. Just declaring victory is the main thing.
I disagree...
Most Trump supporters shrug their shoulders for things he says... simple points out the things his administration have done.
Abducted children?
You mean, separating children when someone breaks the law?
No, I mean taking children from people legally applying for asylum - or, at the worst, committing a misdemeanor - transporting them across the country - to what are apparently really shoddy facilities, unless you're a fan of lice and tranquilizing traumatized toddlers - and using them as hostages for political leverage.
The people defending this don't get to gloss over what they're defending. Some of those children are never going to reunite with their parents. One man hanged himself after they took his kid.
Sad situation. People crossing the borders are do not get to escape breaking the law.
Kids being separated from legit Asylum cases seems wrong, I'll give you that.
Neither do people caught speeding. We don't hold their children in facilities reporters aren't allowed into. We don't tell their children they're not allowed to hug each other.
Illegally crossing the border isn't the same as being cought speeding too.
Da Boss wrote: Actual success or achievement does not matter to Trump or his supporters. Just declaring victory is the main thing.
I disagree...
Most Trump supporters shrug their shoulders for things he says... simple points out the things his administration have done.
Abducted children?
You mean, separating children when someone breaks the law?
No, I mean taking children from people legally applying for asylum - or, at the worst, committing a misdemeanor - transporting them across the country - to what are apparently really shoddy facilities, unless you're a fan of lice and tranquilizing traumatized toddlers - and using them as hostages for political leverage.
The people defending this don't get to gloss over what they're defending. Some of those children are never going to reunite with their parents. One man hanged himself after they took his kid.
Sad situation. People crossing the borders are do not get to escape breaking the law.
Kids being separated from legit Asylum cases seems wrong, I'll give you that.
Neither do people caught speeding. We don't hold their children in facilities reporters aren't allowed into. We don't tell their children they're not allowed to hug each other.
Its funny for all of whemblys posturing about fetuses and the sanctity of life, he really doesn't care about children when they are born does he
Da Boss wrote: Actual success or achievement does not matter to Trump or his supporters. Just declaring victory is the main thing.
I disagree...
Most Trump supporters shrug their shoulders for things he says... simple points out the things his administration have done.
Abducted children?
You mean, separating children when someone breaks the law?
No, I mean taking children from people legally applying for asylum - or, at the worst, committing a misdemeanor - transporting them across the country - to what are apparently really shoddy facilities, unless you're a fan of lice and tranquilizing traumatized toddlers - and using them as hostages for political leverage.
The people defending this don't get to gloss over what they're defending. Some of those children are never going to reunite with their parents. One man hanged himself after they took his kid.
Sad situation. People crossing the borders are do not get to escape breaking the law.
Kids being separated from legit Asylum cases seems wrong, I'll give you that.
Neither do people caught speeding. We don't hold their children in facilities reporters aren't allowed into. We don't tell their children they're not allowed to hug each other.
Its funny for all of whemblys posturing about fetuses and the sanctity of life, he really doesn't care about children when they are born does he
Par for the course, not so much pro-life as they are pro-forced birth/punishing women.
Project much?
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Da Boss wrote: Actual success or achievement does not matter to Trump or his supporters. Just declaring victory is the main thing.
I disagree...
Most Trump supporters shrug their shoulders for things he says... simple points out the things his administration have done.
Abducted children?
You mean, separating children when someone breaks the law?
No, I mean taking children from people legally applying for asylum - or, at the worst, committing a misdemeanor - transporting them across the country - to what are apparently really shoddy facilities, unless you're a fan of lice and tranquilizing traumatized toddlers - and using them as hostages for political leverage.
The people defending this don't get to gloss over what they're defending. Some of those children are never going to reunite with their parents. One man hanged himself after they took his kid.
Sad situation. People crossing the borders are do not get to escape breaking the law.
Kids being separated from legit Asylum cases seems wrong, I'll give you that.
Neither do people caught speeding. We don't hold their children in facilities reporters aren't allowed into. We don't tell their children they're not allowed to hug each other.
Illegally crossing the border isn't the same as being cought speeding too.
And yet they're both misdemeanors.
Is a misdemeanor an appropriate reason to take someone's child away in your world?
Nah not projecting, you outright refuse to let abortions exist since they are children and you want to protect them but when there is children suffering you just go "lol shouldn't break da law"
Sad situation. People crossing the borders are do not get to escape breaking the law.
Kids being separated from legit Asylum cases seems wrong, I'll give you that.
Emphasis mine.
So, systematic family break-up, including legit cases, might be wrong, it appears so, but you can't say for sure ? That's some strong stance there ! Not.
Da Boss wrote: Actual success or achievement does not matter to Trump or his supporters. Just declaring victory is the main thing.
I disagree...
Most Trump supporters shrug their shoulders for things he says... simple points out the things his administration have done.
Abducted children?
You mean, separating children when someone breaks the law?
No, I mean taking children from people legally applying for asylum - or, at the worst, committing a misdemeanor - transporting them across the country - to what are apparently really shoddy facilities, unless you're a fan of lice and tranquilizing traumatized toddlers - and using them as hostages for political leverage.
The people defending this don't get to gloss over what they're defending. Some of those children are never going to reunite with their parents. One man hanged himself after they took his kid.
Sad situation. People crossing the borders are do not get to escape breaking the law.
Kids being separated from legit Asylum cases seems wrong, I'll give you that.
Neither do people caught speeding. We don't hold their children in facilities reporters aren't allowed into. We don't tell their children they're not allowed to hug each other.
Illegally crossing the border isn't the same as being cought speeding too.
And yet they're both misdemeanors.
Is a misdemeanor an appropriate reason to take someone's child away in your world?
To deter future illegal immigrants... yes. We have borders for a reason.
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Ustrello wrote: Nah not projecting, you outright refuse to let abortions exist since they are children and you want to protect them but when there is children suffering you just go "lol shouldn't break da law"
I'm perfectly okay with saying abortions is wrong and saying splitting up kids from parents if the break the law.
Sad situation. People crossing the borders are do not get to escape breaking the law.
Kids being separated from legit Asylum cases seems wrong, I'll give you that.
Emphasis mine.
So, systematic family break-up,
If crossing the border illegally? Yes.
including legit cases, might be wrong, it appears so, but you can't say for sure ?
If you cross the border illegally, get caught and THEN claim asylum... i don't have a problem splitting up families until the cases are adjudicated. Keep in mind that there are massive human smuggling aspects with this ordeal.
That's some strong stance there ! Not.
It's more nuanced...yes.
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Da Boss wrote: Actual success or achievement does not matter to Trump or his supporters. Just declaring victory is the main thing.
I disagree...
Most Trump supporters shrug their shoulders for things he says... simple points out the things his administration have done.
Abducted children?
You mean, separating children when someone breaks the law?
No, I mean taking children from people legally applying for asylum - or, at the worst, committing a misdemeanor - transporting them across the country - to what are apparently really shoddy facilities, unless you're a fan of lice and tranquilizing traumatized toddlers - and using them as hostages for political leverage.
The people defending this don't get to gloss over what they're defending. Some of those children are never going to reunite with their parents. One man hanged himself after they took his kid.
Sad situation. People crossing the borders are do not get to escape breaking the law.
Kids being separated from legit Asylum cases seems wrong, I'll give you that.
Neither do people caught speeding. We don't hold their children in facilities reporters aren't allowed into. We don't tell their children they're not allowed to hug each other.
Illegally crossing the border isn't the same as being cought speeding too.
And yet they're both misdemeanors.
Is a misdemeanor an appropriate reason to take someone's child away in your world?
To deter future illegal immigrants... yes. We have borders for a reason.
We have traffic laws for a reason, too. I'm far less comfortable with the people doing fifty in a thirty-five mile an hour zone than a family fleeing gang violence or domestic abuse becoming my new neighbor.
Why not take the speeder's kids away? Surely they're putting them in danger if they're in the car. If your goal is to deter lawbreakers, regardless of the cruelty or appropriateness of the punishment, then why not take the children of anyone who breaks the speed limit, put them on a plane, and then lose any records you have of them and make them pay for a DNA test and airfare to maybe get them back months later?
Why is this 'reasoning' only being applied to people crossing the border, not speeding or shoplifting or public intoxication?
Did they *know* she was a spy? Or, did she...yaknow... used her spy skillz to pretend she's someone she's not?
When it comes to international espionage I don't think you get that excuse, particularly when you use her to form a back channel to russia, though I may be mistaking individuals here.
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Ustrello wrote: No whembly you are just a hypocrite and only care about controlling people and their choices in regard to abortions. You obviously could care less about children and it is a stance many people in your particular camp espouse
I'm not saying we can't treat the kids better when separated at the border. Jesus... stop putting words in my mouth.
In the good old days we just ended up chopping off people's heads to deter future people from doing bad things, I wonder why we stopped doing that...
Sorry for my spelling. I'm not a native speaker and a dyslexic.
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We have traffic laws for a reason, too. I'm far less comfortable with the people doing fifty in a thirty-five mile an hour zone than a family fleeing gang violence or domestic abuse becoming my new neighbor.
Why not take the speeder's kids away? Surely they're putting them in danger if they're in the car. If your goal is to deter lawbreakers, regardless of the cruelty or appropriateness of the punishment, then why not take the children of anyone who breaks the speed limit, put them on a plane, and then lose any records you have of them and make them pay for a DNA test and airfare to maybe get them back months later?
Why is this 'reasoning' only being applied to people crossing the border, not speeding or shoplifting or public intoxication?
Because we don't treat all misdemeanor nor all felony the same.
The goal of laws is to deter them from breaking them yes?
One way to deter people thinking of crossing the border is that you'll get separated from your family until adjudication happens.
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Ustrello wrote: No whembly you are just a hypocrite and only care about controlling people and their choices in regard to abortions. You obviously could care less about children and it is a stance many people in your particular camp espouse
I'm not saying we can't treat the kids better when separated at the border. Jesus... stop putting words in my mouth.
Really? You seem to be pushing the party line quite hard and unwilling to criticize them at all. I mean you'd rather say it's ok to kidnap children for a misdemeanor, and hold a double standard for other misdmeanor class crimes than say what they're doing is wrong. Hell I don't even think I've seen you say they could be treated better until your post just now on it. The closest you get to a proper response of children being kidnapped is along the lines of "wooooow that's soooooo terrible... Guess you shouldnt break the law..." (and then proceed to gloss over people who have been trying to legally apply for asylum)
At this point I have wonder if you have any empathy at all, or if you just reserve it for your team.
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The Russian woman arrested on charges of being a foreign agent had ties to Russian intelligence operatives and was in contact with them while in the United States, federal prosecutors said Wednesday. Maria Butina also had ties to wealthy businessmen linked to the Putin administration and appeared to have plans to flee the U.S., prosecutors said in a new court filing.
Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-Calif.) said Wednesday that he “doesn’t care” if President Trump misspeaks — including about Russia.
Hunter, speaking a day after Trump sought to walk back controversial remarks made at the side of Russian leader Vladimir Putin as a misstatement, said the president's actions make up for any errant comments.
“He’s doing things that are a direct affront to Russia. I don’t care if he misspeaks or if he says the wrong thing,” Hunter said on “Fox & Friends.”
He...he just misspoke...yeah, thats it
My favorite part though...
He added that Trump “doesn’t want to act like one of those guys who you just played talking here, saying all of those words.”
Yeah...all those words and stuff...
This came out of the mouth of an elected US Congressman defending Trump throwing the US under the bus and praising Putin. Remember that at election time y'all.
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We have traffic laws for a reason, too. I'm far less comfortable with the people doing fifty in a thirty-five mile an hour zone than a family fleeing gang violence or domestic abuse becoming my new neighbor.
Why not take the speeder's kids away? Surely they're putting them in danger if they're in the car. If your goal is to deter lawbreakers, regardless of the cruelty or appropriateness of the punishment, then why not take the children of anyone who breaks the speed limit, put them on a plane, and then lose any records you have of them and make them pay for a DNA test and airfare to maybe get them back months later?
Why is this 'reasoning' only being applied to people crossing the border, not speeding or shoplifting or public intoxication?
Because we don't treat all misdemeanor nor all felony the same.
The goal of laws is to deter them from breaking them yes?
One way to deter people thinking of crossing the border is that you'll get separated from your family until adjudication happens.
The only way to deter people from making that trip is to be crueler than the circumstances they are fleeing.
This is unacceptable.
Also, one way to deter speeding is to take your kids. Again. Why are we not doing that, besides 'different laws are treated differently', which is a total non-answer?
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We have traffic laws for a reason, too. I'm far less comfortable with the people doing fifty in a thirty-five mile an hour zone than a family fleeing gang violence or domestic abuse becoming my new neighbor.
Why not take the speeder's kids away? Surely they're putting them in danger if they're in the car. If your goal is to deter lawbreakers, regardless of the cruelty or appropriateness of the punishment, then why not take the children of anyone who breaks the speed limit, put them on a plane, and then lose any records you have of them and make them pay for a DNA test and airfare to maybe get them back months later?
Why is this 'reasoning' only being applied to people crossing the border, not speeding or shoplifting or public intoxication?
Because we don't treat all misdemeanor nor all felony the same.
The goal of laws is to deter them from breaking them yes?
One way to deter people thinking of crossing the border is that you'll get separated from your family until adjudication happens.
The only way to deter people from making that trip is to be crueler than the circumstances they are fleeing.
This is unacceptable.
Where were you when this happened under Obama? Bush?
Also, one way to deter speeding is to take your kids. Again. Why are we not doing that, besides 'different laws are treated differently', which is a total non-answer?
So, you think we should punish misdemeaners the same way? o.O
Ustrello wrote: No whembly you are just a hypocrite and only care about controlling people and their choices in regard to abortions. You obviously could care less about children and it is a stance many people in your particular camp espouse
I'm not saying we can't treat the kids better when separated at the border. Jesus... stop putting words in my mouth.
As wolfblade said no you have not said that except for when I literally just called you out on it. Just own up to your terrible view, at least that is respectable instead of trying to squirm away from everything every time you are called out
We have traffic laws for a reason, too. I'm far less comfortable with the people doing fifty in a thirty-five mile an hour zone than a family fleeing gang violence or domestic abuse becoming my new neighbor.
Why not take the speeder's kids away? Surely they're putting them in danger if they're in the car. If your goal is to deter lawbreakers, regardless of the cruelty or appropriateness of the punishment, then why not take the children of anyone who breaks the speed limit, put them on a plane, and then lose any records you have of them and make them pay for a DNA test and airfare to maybe get them back months later?
Why is this 'reasoning' only being applied to people crossing the border, not speeding or shoplifting or public intoxication?
Because we don't treat all misdemeanor nor all felony the same.
The goal of laws is to deter them from breaking them yes?
One way to deter people thinking of crossing the border is that you'll get separated from your family until adjudication happens.
The only way to deter people from making that trip is to be crueler than the circumstances they are fleeing.
This is unacceptable.
Where were you when this happened under Obama? Bush?
Also, one way to deter speeding is to take your kids. Again. Why are we not doing that, besides 'different laws are treated differently', which is a total non-answer?
So, you think we should punish misdemeaners the same way? o.O
You are assuming that certain people are able and willing to change their minds, when it turns out that what they have been fed by the centipede, is at best misleading and at worst false.
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"He died because he had no honor. He had no honor and the Emperor was watching."
You are assuming that certain people are able and willing to change their minds, when it turns out that what they have been fed by the centipede, is at best misleading and at worst false.
I felt it my duty to try at least once. I can see that the person in question has a history in this forum.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I have seen this claim being propagated by people who identify as liberals as well, so I figured a post is worthwhile at least.
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deltaKshatriya wrote: Been reading for a while, haven't contributed, but I had to make this statement.
Dom't worry, you will be back next week making tge exact same statement, as we have done this at least two times before on Obama 'doing' it.
Sorry for my spelling. I'm not a native speaker and a dyslexic.
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