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Kilkrazy wrote: It doesn't matter. A journalist is an individual exercising his right of freedom of expression and being paid for it. So is a private person who sets up a website .
Courts have unfortunately ruled otherwise. They said since a blogger wasn't part of a journalist institution that they don't have freedom of the press and were not a journalist.
This is the issue I was thinking of when I asked those questions before. What's the difference between somebody with a blog or website and the NYT or CNN? I'm personally ok with giving everybody with a media presence the same free press protections but I don't know if there's actual legal precedence for that. Some of my friends were (are?) all into conspiracy theories and sites like InfoWars and ZeroHedge but I haven't been to those sites in years. I used to just find Alex Jones amusing with his chemtrails and interdimensional psychic vampire conspiracies but he got way too crazy with 9/11 and Sandy Hook. Is InfoWars actually a news site or is it just Jones ranting? I don't see any real difference between blogger enthusiasts covering current events or sports teams or govt institutions and free lance journalists and journalists employed by media corporations but if a website is just personal rants/opinions and blatant self promotion for financial gain I have difficulty equating that with journalism.
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Someone who runs a blog/website enjoys the same free speech protection as NYT or CNN, in that, the government cannot censor the individual's free speech. Furthermore, there is no legal statute anywhere that describes said "speech" must meet 'x' criterions in order to be considered journalism.
What was kinda murky, but clarified recently, is if non-individuals (ie, businesses/unions/ect...) also enjoyed the same rights. That was resolved in that Citizens United v. FEC case:
Political spending is a form of protected speech under the First Amendment, and the government may not keep corporations or unions from spending money to support or denounce individual candidates in elections. While corporations or unions may not give money directly to campaigns, they may seek to persuade the voting public through other means, including ads, especially where these ads were not broadcast.
The only exceptions for censorships would be things like indecency laws/FEC regulations that governs things like slander/libel/nudity/cuss words/ect... which meets the high bar to overcome freedom of expressions.
(a) Whoever, being a covered government person, with the intent to influence, solely on the basis of partisan political affiliation, an employment decision or employment practice of any private entity—
Key point: solely on the basis of partisan political affiliation. Demanding suspensions for not respecting the anthem may be TFG behavior, and may violate some other law, but it is not about partisan political affiliation and therefore doesn't violate this one.
There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
The NFL players are at it again – taking a knee when they should be standing proudly for the National Anthem. Numerous players, from different teams, wanted to show their “outrage” at something that most of them are unable to define. They make a fortune doing what they love……
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) August 10, 2018
…..Be happy, be cool! A football game, that fans are paying soooo much money to watch and enjoy, is no place to protest. Most of that money goes to the players anyway. Find another way to protest. Stand proudly for your National Anthem or be Suspended Without Pay!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) August 10, 2018
(a) Whoever, being a covered government person, with the intent to influence, solely on the basis of partisan political affiliation, an employment decision or employment practice of any private entity—
(1) takes or withholds, or offers or threatens to take or withhold, an official act, or (2) influences, or offers or threatens to influence, the official act of another,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than 15 years, or both, and may be disqualified from holding any office of honor, trust, or profit under the United States.
(b) In this section, the term “covered government person” means—
(1) a Senator or Representative in, or a Delegate or Resident Commissioner to, the Congress;
(2) an employee of either House of Congress; or
(3) the President, Vice President, an employee of the United StatesPostal Service or the Postal Regulatory Commission, or any other executive branch employee (as such term is defined under section 2105 of title 5, United States Code).
(Added Pub. L. 110–81, title I, § 102(a), Sept. 14, 2007, 121 Stat. 739; amended Pub. L. 112–105, § 18(a), Apr. 4, 2012, 126 Stat. 304.)
As this is a partisan issue and he is threatening players it violates this law... Which will not be enacted upon by a Republican held congress...
In other shock news, Trump isn't a total witch.
Why does anyone care a single feth for anything Trump says?
It's usually complete bollocks and lies, hypocrisy and 360 degree turning bs, we all know that, and we know his base will lap it up anyway.
Prestor Jon wrote: Seems to me that since the FBI had no trouble indicting all the Russian hackers that sent the information to WikiLeaks that the DoJ would be able to charge Assange in a similar manner since he knowingly aided and abetted the Russians and publicized illegally obtained information.
Of course it should be noted that:
1) The Russian attack would fall under the category of "actions happening in the US" and arguably give the US jurisdiction, much like a foreign citizen who murders someone while visiting the US would be charged with murder. Assange's website may have been visible from the US, but it wasn't specifically targeting US elections and he didn't hack US servers.
2) Indicting the Russian hackers is a political stunt, nothing more, and everyone knows it. Russia isn't going to send them over for trial, and probably won't even acknowledge that the case is happening. So does it really matter what the charges are or whether the US has jurisdiction for a show trial with a prosecutor arguing in front of an empty courtroom?
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There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
(a) Whoever, being a covered government person, with the intent to influence, solely on the basis of partisan political affiliation, an employment decision or employment practice of any private entity—
Key point: solely on the basis of partisan political affiliation. Demanding suspensions for not respecting the anthem may be TFG behavior, and may violate some other law, but it is not about partisan political affiliation and therefore doesn't violate this one.
Did you miss the last bit it so far quantifies two of three requirements Employment Decision, and Practice. He is threatening people which is not okay. I do think it could potentially happen as it is clearly a first amendment issue the president is currently taking issue with.
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Sean Hannity said Friday that President Trump's attorneys Jay Sekulow and Rudy Giuliani would be guest hosting his syndicated radio show.
The Fox News host made the announcement from his Twitter account, linking to a story quoting Sekulow as saying there is an "unprecedented level of corruption" in special counsel Robert Mueller's probe into Russia's election interference.
Ah...yeah.
I tried to come up with a joke about this...but I really just cant beat reality.
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Sean Hannity said Friday that President Trump's attorneys Jay Sekulow and Rudy Giuliani would be guest hosting his syndicated radio show.
The Fox News host made the announcement from his Twitter account, linking to a story quoting Sekulow as saying there is an "unprecedented level of corruption" in special counsel Robert Mueller's probe into Russia's election interference.
Ah...yeah.
I tried to come up with a joke about this...but I really just cant beat reality.
Next, they will become official "Talking Heads" on Russia Today!
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whembly wrote: PR should be the 51st state imo (yeah, yeah that's like 2 free D Senators and 'x' D congressman... but how is their situation really that different from Hawaii?)
It's not that different, but Hawaii had to petition for state hood for something like 50 years- and the arguments against had a lot to do with the colour of its populace.
69% of the population is white. They're whiter than the state of Florida!
Methinks the cause is something else....
Simple math problem what is 2.5 million plus 3.5 million? and is that answer more than 3.3 million which is the population of PR? You should read your sources before you link them because those are the numbers given by wikipedia
Sean Hannity said Friday that President Trump's attorneys Jay Sekulow and Rudy Giuliani would be guest hosting his syndicated radio show.
The Fox News host made the announcement from his Twitter account, linking to a story quoting Sekulow as saying there is an "unprecedented level of corruption" in special counsel Robert Mueller's probe into Russia's election interference.
Ah...yeah.
I tried to come up with a joke about this...but I really just cant beat reality.
Every time I think things could not get more surreal, here we are.
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whembly wrote: PR should be the 51st state imo (yeah, yeah that's like 2 free D Senators and 'x' D congressman... but how is their situation really that different from Hawaii?)
It's not that different, but Hawaii had to petition for state hood for something like 50 years- and the arguments against had a lot to do with the colour of its populace.
69% of the population is white. They're whiter than the state of Florida!
Methinks the cause is something else....
Simple math problem what is 2.5 million plus 3.5 million? and is that answer more than 3.3 million which is the population of PR? You should read your sources before you link them because those are the numbers given by wikipedia
did you happen to miss the 99% Hispanic or latino?
Yeah... not sure how you can square those two.
Even the footnotes isn't helpful:
Fact Notes
(a)Includes persons reporting only one race
(b)Hispanics may be of any race, so also are included in applicable race categories
(c)Economic Census - Puerto Rico data are not comparable to U.S. Economic Census data
Another source:
http://welcome.topuertorico.org/fastfacts.shtml Ethnic composition: white (mostly Spanish origin) 80.5%, black 8%, Amerindian 0.4%, Asian 0.2%, mixed and other 10.9%.
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whembly wrote: PR should be the 51st state imo (yeah, yeah that's like 2 free D Senators and 'x' D congressman... but how is their situation really that different from Hawaii?)
It's not that different, but Hawaii had to petition for state hood for something like 50 years- and the arguments against had a lot to do with the colour of its populace.
69% of the population is white. They're whiter than the state of Florida!
Methinks the cause is something else....
Simple math problem what is 2.5 million plus 3.5 million? and is that answer more than 3.3 million which is the population of PR? You should read your sources before you link them because those are the numbers given by wikipedia
did you happen to miss the 99% Hispanic or latino?
Oh I can guarantee you he saw my post responding to it, it is just part of Whems MO he ignores it waits a page or two before popping back in again and never brings it up again
whembly wrote: PR should be the 51st state imo (yeah, yeah that's like 2 free D Senators and 'x' D congressman... but how is their situation really that different from Hawaii?)
It's not that different, but Hawaii had to petition for state hood for something like 50 years- and the arguments against had a lot to do with the colour of its populace.
69% of the population is white. They're whiter than the state of Florida!
Methinks the cause is something else....
Simple math problem what is 2.5 million plus 3.5 million? and is that answer more than 3.3 million which is the population of PR? You should read your sources before you link them because those are the numbers given by wikipedia
did you happen to miss the 99% Hispanic or latino?
Oh I can guarantee you he saw my post responding to it, it is just part of Whems MO he ignores it waits a page or two before popping back in again and never brings it up again
So, the US/SK exercises have been called off, US rhetoric has cooled towards NK substantially, and in return, NK is building new missiles while ghosting us like we had a bad one-night stand.
So tired of winning, as expected.
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whembly wrote: PR should be the 51st state imo (yeah, yeah that's like 2 free D Senators and 'x' D congressman... but how is their situation really that different from Hawaii?)
It's not that different, but Hawaii had to petition for state hood for something like 50 years- and the arguments against had a lot to do with the colour of its populace.
69% of the population is white. They're whiter than the state of Florida!
Methinks the cause is something else....
Simple math problem what is 2.5 million plus 3.5 million? and is that answer more than 3.3 million which is the population of PR? You should read your sources before you link them because those are the numbers given by wikipedia
did you happen to miss the 99% Hispanic or latino?
Oh I can guarantee you he saw my post responding to it, it is just part of Whems MO he ignores it waits a page or two before popping back in again and never brings it up again
You weren't making any sense...
Whem: There are more whites in puerto rico than hispanics, so saying PR not becoming a state because they are brown is wrong
Ustrello: The statistics say you are wrong
Whemb: YOU AREN'T MAKING SENSE
Come on whem you are better than that, just admit you were wrong
whembly wrote: PR should be the 51st state imo (yeah, yeah that's like 2 free D Senators and 'x' D congressman... but how is their situation really that different from Hawaii?)
It's not that different, but Hawaii had to petition for state hood for something like 50 years- and the arguments against had a lot to do with the colour of its populace.
69% of the population is white. They're whiter than the state of Florida!
Methinks the cause is something else....
Simple math problem what is 2.5 million plus 3.5 million? and is that answer more than 3.3 million which is the population of PR? You should read your sources before you link them because those are the numbers given by wikipedia
did you happen to miss the 99% Hispanic or latino?
Oh I can guarantee you he saw my post responding to it, it is just part of Whems MO he ignores it waits a page or two before popping back in again and never brings it up again
You weren't making any sense...
Whem: There are more whites in puerto rico than hispanics, so saying PR not becoming a state because they are brown is wrong
Ustrello: The statistics say you are wrong
Whemb: YOU AREN'T MAKING SENSE
Come on whem you are better than that, just admit you were wrong
...where am I wrong? And no, "Hispanic" ethnicity doesn't mean "brown people".
Even then... my point was PR are just like any rando US states and it is *my* opinion that they should be the 51st state. They're being treated like a red-headed step-child because they're a territory and not a state (my opinion).
So, the US/SK exercises have been called off, US rhetoric has cooled towards NK substantially, and in return, NK is building new missiles while ghosting us like we had a bad one-night stand.
So tired of winning, as expected.
Yeah... very disappointing.
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whembly wrote: PR should be the 51st state imo (yeah, yeah that's like 2 free D Senators and 'x' D congressman... but how is their situation really that different from Hawaii?)
It's not that different, but Hawaii had to petition for state hood for something like 50 years- and the arguments against had a lot to do with the colour of its populace.
69% of the population is white. They're whiter than the state of Florida!
Methinks the cause is something else....
Simple math problem what is 2.5 million plus 3.5 million? and is that answer more than 3.3 million which is the population of PR? You should read your sources before you link them because those are the numbers given by wikipedia
did you happen to miss the 99% Hispanic or latino?
Oh I can guarantee you he saw my post responding to it, it is just part of Whems MO he ignores it waits a page or two before popping back in again and never brings it up again
You weren't making any sense...
Whem: There are more whites in puerto rico than hispanics, so saying PR not becoming a state because they are brown is wrong
Ustrello: The statistics say you are wrong
Whemb: YOU AREN'T MAKING SENSE
Come on whem you are better than that, just admit you were wrong
...where am I wrong? And no, "Hispanic" ethnicity doesn't mean "brown people".
So, the US/SK exercises have been called off, US rhetoric has cooled towards NK substantially, and in return, NK is building new missiles while ghosting us like we had a bad one-night stand.
So tired of winning, as expected.
Yeah... very disappointing.
You claimed there are more white people in PR than anything else, if we were on Maury right now he would be doing his famous that is a lie sentence.
whembly wrote: PR should be the 51st state imo (yeah, yeah that's like 2 free D Senators and 'x' D congressman... but how is their situation really that different from Hawaii?)
It's not that different, but Hawaii had to petition for state hood for something like 50 years- and the arguments against had a lot to do with the colour of its populace.
69% of the population is white. They're whiter than the state of Florida!
Methinks the cause is something else....
Simple math problem what is 2.5 million plus 3.5 million? and is that answer more than 3.3 million which is the population of PR? You should read your sources before you link them because those are the numbers given by wikipedia
did you happen to miss the 99% Hispanic or latino?
Oh I can guarantee you he saw my post responding to it, it is just part of Whems MO he ignores it waits a page or two before popping back in again and never brings it up again
You weren't making any sense...
Whem: There are more whites in puerto rico than hispanics, so saying PR not becoming a state because they are brown is wrong
Ustrello: The statistics say you are wrong
Whemb: YOU AREN'T MAKING SENSE
Come on whem you are better than that, just admit you were wrong
...where am I wrong? And no, "Hispanic" ethnicity doesn't mean "brown people".
So, the US/SK exercises have been called off, US rhetoric has cooled towards NK substantially, and in return, NK is building new missiles while ghosting us like we had a bad one-night stand.
So tired of winning, as expected.
Yeah... very disappointing.
You claimed there are more white people in PR than anything else, if we were on Maury right now he would be doing his famous that is a lie sentence.
He's not good at presidenting... but, he's a master troll:
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
Following Following @realDonaldTrump
Democrats, please do not distance yourselves from Nancy Pelosi. She is a wonderful person whose ideas & policies may be bad, but who should definitely be given a 4th chance. She is trying very hard & has every right to take down the Democrat Party if she has veered too far left!
Would I reverse the latter with the former? Oh hell yes...
Come on whem you are better than that, just admit you were wrong
You're engaging with him again, and that's always a mistake. Refute once, then move on.
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We all know that Turkey is an important nation because of its geographical location: control of the Black Sea, buffer against Russian expansion in the area, important state in the Middle East yadda yadda.
It's also a key NATO ally in the region - this we all know. And know the USA is imposing sanctions on Turkey.
Quite what driving a key all into the hands of Russia does for US foreign policy, is beyond me.
Perhaps somebody on dakka has a half decent explanation?
I think they've well and truly lost the plot in Washington.
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Mmm, Turkey has been moving away from the West for some time now, with its move away from democracy and having intentionally caused diplomatic rows with several European countries for political reasons.
I think both Erdogan and Trump are benefitting from this current dispute at home, and neither has recently given the impression of being concerned with international politics or long-term consequences. Trump can say he's standing up for US citizens being (unjustly?) persecuted abroad, and Erdogan can continue his "strong man standing up to a Western foreign bully" narrative while distracting attention from the freefall of the lira and ailing economy.
Bran Dawri wrote: Mmm, Turkey has been moving away from the West for some time now, with its move away from democracy and having intentionally caused diplomatic rows with several European countries for political reasons.
I think both Erdogan and Trump are benefitting from this current dispute at home, and neither has recently given the impression of being concerned with international politics or long-term consequences. Trump can say he's standing up for US citizens being (unjustly?) persecuted abroad, and Erdogan can continue his "strong man standing up to a Western foreign bully" narrative while distracting attention from the freefall of the lira and ailing economy.
The democracy argument shouldn't be a factor in this IMO.
We all know that the USA has allied itself with some dodgy regimes in the past: Soviet Union in WW2, South Vietnam, Saudi Arabia etc etc
and that's not a pop at America because obviously my own nation allied itself with the Soviets in the war and has supported dodgy countries since then.
Sometimes you have to join a devil to defeat another devil and often you do these things for national interest.
I'm not convinced by the rational behind the Turkey sanctions. Other reasons cited include US support for the Kurds, disagreement on how to fight ISIL and some American pastor being locked up.
These are not trivial things, nations disagree with each other on a host of issues, but neither are they grounds for this kind of action by Washington.
France didn't back the USA over Iraq in 2003, but it never resulted in a huge split between Paris and Washington.
AsI've said before, US foreign policy is all over the shop.
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A few things you have to take into account. Turkey can ill afford to leave the Western sphere for the Russian one, because of ongoing problems with Europe that its NATO membership shields it from. Russia and Turkey aren't friends either, they are at opposite sides when it comes to Syria. And Russia has very little to offer to Turkey when most of the countries in the region are firmly in the US camp, trade with US allies making up 45% of the total versus 4% with Russia. What does going with Russia offer Turkey?
The problematic issue of Turkey going after your own citizens on trumped up charges. A pastor today, US teachers or journalists tomorrow? Where do you draw the line even when its an ally?
US foreign policy is all over the place in case of Trump, but in this case it makes sense to start drawing the line (even though its probably not thought through). Its obviously not about democracy as Trump couldn't care less about Erdogan's authoritarian behaviour or his bodyguards beating up protestors in the US. Its about his base, but even though the wider picture might be ignored that doesn't mean its not a good step.
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Disciple of Fate wrote: A few things you have to take into account. Turkey can ill afford to leave the Western sphere for the Russian one, because of ongoing problems with Europe that its NATO membership shields it from. Russia and Turkey aren't friends either, they are at opposite sides when it comes to Syria.
The problematic issue of those countries going after your own citizens on trumped up charges. A pastor today, US teachers or journalists tomorrow?
US foreign policy is all over the place in case of Trump, but in this case it makes sense to start drawing the line (even though its probably not thought through). Its obviously not about democracy as Trump couldn't care less about Erdogan's authoritarian behaviour or his bodyguards beating up protestors in the US. Its about his base, but even though the wider picture might be ignored that doesn't mean its not a good step.
I don't think the current administration is thinking this through...
However, some Turkish lawyers is demanding a raid on Icirlik base to arrest some US military servicemen. The key over this whole ordeal is how THAT situation is resolved.
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Erdogan won't be that stupid. Going after US military personnel doesn't fit into strengthening his power because it carries significant risks of an escalation. The pastor falls into the oversight category imo, not deemed important to the US at the time and an acceptable arrest risk. Raiding an allied military base to drag off US soldiers? What value does that have when the 'coup' was a gift from above for Erdogan's purges?
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Disciple of Fate wrote: Erdogan won't be that stupid. Going after US military personnel doesn't fit into strengthening his power because it carries significant risks of an escalation. The pastor falls into the oversight category imo, not deemed important to the US at the time and an acceptable arrest risk. Raiding an allied military base to drag off US soldiers? What value does that have when the 'coup' was a gift from above for Erdogan's purges?
Whatever issues the USA and Turkey have, (and remember that allies disagree with each other all the time, that's natural) should be thrashed out by the diplomats behind the scenes.
Conducting foreign policy by twitter is no way to run a superpower.
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Kansas Governor Jeff Colyer (R) accused Secretary of State Kris Kobach (R) Friday of intentionally pushing a miscount of the number of ballots cast in the gubernatorial primary race.
“Secretary Kobach’s office was instructing counties not to count ballots that are in the mail, and those clearly have to be counted under Kansas law,” Colyer said in a Fox News interview.
The governor also expressed concern over the counting of provisional ballots for voters who are registered independents but are allowed to vote in the primary.
Kobach responded to the allegations Friday, saying in a press release “allegations that my office has given inaccurate advice to local election officials regarding the handling and counting of mail-in and provision ballots” are “incorrect.”
The Tuesday primary is still too close to call, with Kobach's lead at under 100 votes in a race where over 300,000 ballots were cast.
As Kansas’ Secretary of State, Kobach oversees the vote-counting process. He recused himself on Friday from those responsibilities after Colyer called on him to do so.
Kobach’s had an endorsement from Trump despite concern from some other Republicans that he will lose a general election. He has repeatedly hit Colyer as the “establishment” candidate.
The governor defended his own relationship with Trump in his Fox interview, saying, “I’ve been a good supporter of President Trump. I trust the president, he’s been a good leader and we’ve worked very strongly with the administration.”
Damn... Thats horrible
So Kobach ordered that mail votes would not count? What the feth?
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