skyth wrote:
Since Antifa is a movement without leaders, etc...What proof do you have that these weren't right wing extremists pretending to be Antifa to paint Antifa in a bad light?

 whembly wrote:

Thousands of Antifa showing their true colors...

 whembly wrote:

All over for maaaybe a couple dozens of supremacist jackwagons. EVEN with ALLLL the attention the media is giving these donkey-caves... only a smidgen shows up. At the same time, largely ignoring how violent Antifa has been.

 DrGiggles wrote:
I'm kind of surprised no one is talking about the protests in Charlottesville right now.

https://www.vox.com/identities/2018/8/12/17681986/antifa-leftist-violence-clashes-protests-charlottesville-dc-unite-the-right

Kind of nuts that most of the media is glossing over the attacks on the police and some reporters.

 ChargerIIC wrote:

 DrGiggles wrote:
I'm kind of surprised no one is talking about the protests in Charlottesville right now.

https://www.vox.com/identities/2018/8/12/17681986/antifa-leftist-violence-clashes-protests-charlottesville-dc-unite-the-right

Kind of nuts that most of the media is glossing over the attacks on the police and some reporters.

Less than 20 Alt-Right people showed up - the story is a non-starter for the media. The Alt-Left/antifa have a few troublemakers but mostly it's pics of leftist protesters sitting around with nothing to do but stare at policemen who have undergone a year's worth of training on how to 'not start gak'.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

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 whembly wrote:

Thousands of Antifa showing their true colors...

I'm sure you have a source for that number of protestors who engaged in violence, Whembly.

...This weekend in Charlottesville and DC, though, it wasn’t neo-Nazis and white supremacists the antifa attacked. It was police who were there to help keep the peace among all the demonstrators and journalists who were there to cover the events.
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 whembly wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

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 whembly wrote:

Thousands of Antifa showing their true colors...

I'm sure you have a source for that number of protestors who engaged in violence, Whembly.

Did you even read that vox article?

...This weekend in Charlottesville and DC, though, it wasn’t neo-Nazis and white supremacists the antifa attacked. It was police who were there to help keep the peace among all the demonstrators and journalists who were there to cover the events.
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Thousands of people held multiple rallies across the city to celebrate diversity and push back against the hateful views the white nationalists espouse.

But a few left-wing “antifa” (short for “anti-fascist”) counterprotesters did engage in violence, throwing eggs and water bottles and shooting fireworks at police officers and some journalists who were covering the demonstrations.

 whembly wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

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 whembly wrote:

Thousands of Antifa showing their true colors...

I'm sure you have a source for that number of protestors who engaged in violence, Whembly.

Did you even read that vox article?

...This weekend in Charlottesville and DC, though, it wasn’t neo-Nazis and white supremacists the antifa attacked. It was police who were there to help keep the peace among all the demonstrators and journalists who were there to cover the events.
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Rosebuddy wrote:
I very much dispute the claim that antifa didn't target white supremacists.

Rosebuddy wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

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 whembly wrote:

Thousands of Antifa showing their true colors...

I'm sure you have a source for that number of protestors who engaged in violence, Whembly.

Did you even read that vox article?

...This weekend in Charlottesville and DC, though, it wasn’t neo-Nazis and white supremacists the antifa attacked. It was police who were there to help keep the peace among all the demonstrators and journalists who were there to cover the events.
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I very much dispute the claim that antifa didn't target white supremacists.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

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 whembly wrote:

Thousands of Antifa showing their true colors...

I'm sure you have a source for that number of protestors who engaged in violence, Whembly.

Did you even read that vox article?

...This weekend in Charlottesville and DC, though, it wasn’t neo-Nazis and white supremacists the antifa attacked. It was police who were there to help keep the peace among all the demonstrators and journalists who were there to cover the events.
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I did read the article. Now if you could direct me to the line where it says that thousands were engaged in violent behaviour? Because I can see where in the article it says that:

Thousands of people held multiple rallies across the city to celebrate diversity and push back against the hateful views the white nationalists espouse.

But a few left-wing “antifa” (short for “anti-fascist”) counterprotesters did engage in violence, throwing eggs and water bottles and shooting fireworks at police officers and some journalists who were covering the demonstrations.

"Thousands" were at the rallies and "a few" engaged in violence. So was your point that thousands of antifa showed their true colours just saying that thousands showed up to celebrate diversity or was it saying that thousands engaged in violence? The first interpretation is supported by the article, the second is not.

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 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 ChargerIIC wrote:

 DrGiggles wrote:
I'm kind of surprised no one is talking about the protests in Charlottesville right now.

https://www.vox.com/identities/2018/8/12/17681986/antifa-leftist-violence-clashes-protests-charlottesville-dc-unite-the-right

Kind of nuts that most of the media is glossing over the attacks on the police and some reporters.

Less than 20 Alt-Right people showed up - the story is a non-starter for the media. The Alt-Left/antifa have a few troublemakers but mostly it's pics of leftist protesters sitting around with nothing to do but stare at policemen who have undergone a year's worth of training on how to 'not start gak'.

In seriousness, this. Lobbing eggs at people isn't a nice thing to do and people should not do it, but lumping it in with firing fireworks at people (very dangerous) seems like an attempt to inflate the numbers of violent antifa members at the rallies.

 DrGiggles wrote:
Are you claiming that Tim Mak, Cal Perry, and any cops who had things thrown at them are white supremacists?

 d-usa wrote:
So you have nothing to back up your statement?

I guess it's refreshing that the shitposting is getting more balanced among both sides of the political spectrum on here.

 d-usa wrote:
So you have nothing to back up your statement?

I guess it's refreshing that the shitposting is getting more balanced among both sides of the political spectrum on here.

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Latest on the firing of longtime FBI agent Peter Strzok (all times local):

12:30 p.m.

President Donald Trump is questioning whether special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into Russian election interference and Trump’s presidential campaign will be dropped now that the FBI has fired one of Mueller’s former investigators.

Former agent Peter Strzok’s lawyer said Monday that he had been fired from the agency over texts from that were critical of Trump. Mueller removed Strzok from his team immediately last year once the texts were discovered.

Trump has repeatedly been critical of Mueller and Strzok on Twitter in attempts to discredit the investigation. There is no indication that the probe will be dropped.

The president tweeted that “the list of bad players in the FBI & DOJ gets longer & longer,” adding that the investigation is a “total hoax.”

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11:42 a.m.

The FBI has fired a longtime agent who once worked on special counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation after he sent text messages criticizing President Donald Trump to a colleague.

Former agent Peter Strzok (struhk) was removed from Mueller’s team a year ago after the text messages were discovered. The FBI had been reviewing his employment. Strzok’s lawyer said he was fired late Friday by FBI Deputy Director David Bowdich.

The lawyer, Aitan Goelman, criticized the firing in a statement Monday, saying he was fired because of political pressure and “to punish Special Agent Strzok for political speech protected by the First Amendment.” He said the firing “should be deeply troubling to all Americans.”

Trump has repeatedly criticized Strzok on Twitter. The FBI did not have immediate comment.

 d-usa wrote:
So you have nothing to back up your statement?

I guess it's refreshing that the shitposting is getting more balanced among both sides of the political spectrum on here.

Prestor Jon wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
So you have nothing to back up your statement?

I guess it's refreshing that the shitposting is getting more balanced among both sides of the political spectrum on here.

I know right? We're getting dangerously close to both sides being bad.

Prestor Jon wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
So you have nothing to back up your statement?

I guess it's refreshing that the shitposting is getting more balanced among both sides of the political spectrum on here.

I know right? We're getting dangerously close to both sides being bad.

Prestor Jon wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
So you have nothing to back up your statement?

I guess it's refreshing that the shitposting is getting more balanced among both sides of the political spectrum on here.

I know right? We're getting dangerously close to both sides being bad.

 Ustrello wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
So you have nothing to back up your statement?

I guess it's refreshing that the shitposting is getting more balanced among both sides of the political spectrum on here.

I mean he already showed his true colors pages ago with the entire racism debacle and like I pointed out he left for a few pages and just showed up again

Rosebuddy wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
So you have nothing to back up your statement?

I guess it's refreshing that the shitposting is getting more balanced among both sides of the political spectrum on here.

I could just say that the US police corps regularly treats non-white people worse and often get away with it because the officers close ranks, but ultimately the problem is not one of bad apples spoiling the bunch but that any police corps in a country that has essentially criminalised being non-white (particularly black) will unavoidably be in the service of white supremacy. When you're the enforcement arm of white supremacy, IE the organisation seen broadly as keeping The Bad Sorts (Racialised) from harming your family, that will attract more conscious white supremacists than other professions. Then you've started a bit of a vicious feedback loop.

Rosebuddy wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
So you have nothing to back up your statement?

I guess it's refreshing that the shitposting is getting more balanced among both sides of the political spectrum on here.

I could just say that the US police corps regularly treats non-white people worse and often get away with it because the officers close ranks, but ultimately the problem is not one of bad apples spoiling the bunch but that any police corps in a country that has essentially criminalised being non-white (particularly black) will unavoidably be in the service of white supremacy. When you're the enforcement arm of white supremacy, IE the organisation seen broadly as keeping The Bad Sorts (Racialised) from harming your family, that will attract more conscious white supremacists than other professions. Then you've started a bit of a vicious feedback loop.

 Vaktathi wrote:

That said, coverage of these things was on just about every major network, it hasn't gone unnoticed, CNN talked about assaults in officers and the infamously left wing Vox obviously hasnt let it slide unnoticed. Mostly since there was no huge shitstorm like last year (thankfully) and the UniteTheRight rally fizzled out, everyone's attention went elsewhere.

 LordofHats wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:

That said, coverage of these things was on just about every major network, it hasn't gone unnoticed, CNN talked about assaults in officers and the infamously left wing Vox obviously hasnt let it slide unnoticed. Mostly since there was no huge shitstorm like last year (thankfully) and the UniteTheRight rally fizzled out, everyone's attention went elsewhere.

Honestly I feel like I can make very accurate guesses of where people get their news at this point because only certain "sources" continually claim that the "liberal" media isn't covering a topic, which is almost always a lie I can discern to be a lie within a matter of seconds through google.

It's almost like some people are very well trained parrots or something.

The second-ranking Democrat in the Senate said Tuesday that JudgeBrett Kavanaugh misled senators during his 2006 confirmation hearing, and vowed to make the judge explain himself before winning a seat on the Supreme Court.

Sen. Richard Durbin said JudgeKavanaugh in that earlier hearing denied involvement in crafting the Bush White House’s policy on detainees and enemy combatants caught during the war on terror.

But Mr. Durbin said he now believes JudgeKavanaugh, who had been in the White House counsel’s office and later served as staff secretary to President George W. Bush, was involved in those decisions.

“He said, ‘I was not involved and am not involved in questions regarding the rules regarding detention of combatants,’” Mr. Durbin recalled Tuesday. “And then within a matter of months, we found out there was more to the story.”

Mr. Durbin claimed JudgeKavanaugh, who had clerked for Justice Anthony M. Kennedy, was involved in a heated discussion in the White House over legal rights for enemy combatants. According to media reports at the time, JudgeKavanaugh discussed what he thought Justice Kennedy might do about the issue if it came before the Supreme Court.

Mr. Durbin said he wrote JudgeKavanaugh a letter 12 years ago asking about the discrepancy between his testimony and the media reports, but never received an answer.

“Under oath he stated one thing and now we have limited but some documentary evidence to the contrary — that’s worth a question, isn’t it?” Mr. Durbin said.

Republicans said Mr. Durbin is rehashing a non-controversy that was already settled 12 years ago.

Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley said JudgeKavanaugh, while in the White House counsel’s office, advised colleagues he didn’t think Justice Kennedy would side with the Bush administration’s contention that enemy combatants could be denied lawyers.

Mr. Grassley said he saw no discrepancy between that and JudgeKavanaugh’s testimony, and added that the Justice Department’s Public Integrity Section looked at the allegations in 2006 and couldn’t justify opening an investigation based on the evidence.

“Multiple sources have confirmed that JudgeKavanaugh did not participate in crafting the Bush Administration’s detention and interrogation policies and was not even authorized to know about the tightly compartmentalized detainee treatment policies,” Mr. Grassley said in his letter.

The fight comes as Democrats accuse Republicans of trying to hide JudgeKavanaugh’s record from the public.

Democrats have requested every document from his time in the White House, which could mean millions of pages would have to be produced. Republicans say the request is a tactic to delay the judge’s confirmation.

They’ve asked for the George W. Bush presidential library to release records from JudgeKavanaugh’s time in the White House counsel’s office from 2001 to 2003 but did not demand documents from his time as Mr. Bush’s staff secretary from 2003 to 2006.

 Asherian Command wrote:
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jul/31/senator-claims-judge-kavanaugh-misled-lawmakers-un/

Whoops!

The second-ranking Democrat in the Senate said Tuesday that JudgeBrett Kavanaugh misled senators during his 2006 confirmation hearing, and vowed to make the judge explain himself before winning a seat on the Supreme Court.

Sen. Richard Durbin said JudgeKavanaugh in that earlier hearing denied involvement in crafting the Bush White House’s policy on detainees and enemy combatants caught during the war on terror.

But Mr. Durbin said he now believes JudgeKavanaugh, who had been in the White House counsel’s office and later served as staff secretary to President George W. Bush, was involved in those decisions.

“He said, ‘I was not involved and am not involved in questions regarding the rules regarding detention of combatants,’” Mr. Durbin recalled Tuesday. “And then within a matter of months, we found out there was more to the story.”

Mr. Durbin claimed JudgeKavanaugh, who had clerked for Justice Anthony M. Kennedy, was involved in a heated discussion in the White House over legal rights for enemy combatants. According to media reports at the time, JudgeKavanaugh discussed what he thought Justice Kennedy might do about the issue if it came before the Supreme Court.

Mr. Durbin said he wrote JudgeKavanaugh a letter 12 years ago asking about the discrepancy between his testimony and the media reports, but never received an answer.

“Under oath he stated one thing and now we have limited but some documentary evidence to the contrary — that’s worth a question, isn’t it?” Mr. Durbin said.

Republicans said Mr. Durbin is rehashing a non-controversy that was already settled 12 years ago.

Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley said JudgeKavanaugh, while in the White House counsel’s office, advised colleagues he didn’t think Justice Kennedy would side with the Bush administration’s contention that enemy combatants could be denied lawyers.

Mr. Grassley said he saw no discrepancy between that and JudgeKavanaugh’s testimony, and added that the Justice Department’s Public Integrity Section looked at the allegations in 2006 and couldn’t justify opening an investigation based on the evidence.

“Multiple sources have confirmed that JudgeKavanaugh did not participate in crafting the Bush Administration’s detention and interrogation policies and was not even authorized to know about the tightly compartmentalized detainee treatment policies,” Mr. Grassley said in his letter.

The fight comes as Democrats accuse Republicans of trying to hide JudgeKavanaugh’s record from the public.

Democrats have requested every document from his time in the White House, which could mean millions of pages would have to be produced. Republicans say the request is a tactic to delay the judge’s confirmation.

They’ve asked for the George W. Bush presidential library to release records from JudgeKavanaugh’s time in the White House counsel’s office from 2001 to 2003 but did not demand documents from his time as Mr. Bush’s staff secretary from 2003 to 2006.

 whembly wrote:
Giuliani is Trump's personal defense lawyer... it's literally his job to muddy up these waters like this.

What'd you expect him to do? Be a goody-goody boys scout?

He's a lawyer for cripes sake.