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2018/08/18 06:57:09
Subject: The Emperor, an exiled Old One incognito
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This is what Voltstagge on reddit said about him.
Yeah, he's been all around. In every war, there is Ollanius, squatting in the trenches, crawling through the dirt with every other soldier. Occasionally he is in a famous location, but never the star of the show, just a background character. Someone in his position could easily play their cards right and end up being a general, a billionaire, or avoid the war altogether. But not Oll. He is the common soldier, one of countless millions. It's in his name after all: Oll Perrson >> All Persons.
That is part of the reasons I am in favour of him being changed to a perpetual rather being than an ordinary soldier: because he is still the ordinary man, just an old one. He knows that when Horus kills him he won't come back, but he throws himself in the line of fire anyway. Just like he did at Calth. Just like he did in the Great Crusade. Just like he did at Verdun. Just like he did with Jason and the Argonauts.
When Horus kills Oll, he is not just killing a man: he is killing Humanity's history. Even if the Emperor was stuck on the Throne, Ollanius would still be there. Someone would be left to remember when humanity was better, before they succumbed to the grim darkness of the far future. He could have given up his dream of an ordinary life and finally take charge: he wouldn't be the Emperor, but he understood the Emperor's dream. But Ollanius died, and now there is no one left to remember what humanity once was and could be again. The Emperor's promise of a Golden Age died with him.
Even Guilliman can't fix it; he wasn't there for the Age of Technology, or the moon landing, or the years of peace when humanity spread across the stars. Oll Perrson was there, but he is dead. With his death humanity can't go back to before they were trapped by suspicion, hatred, and zealotry. So much was lost with him, never to be recovered. When Horus kills Ollanius, he kills humanity. That is why the Emperor finally kills Horus: because he knows at that moment the dream is dead. Chaos won.
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2018/08/18 08:01:59
Subject: The Emperor, an exiled Old One incognito
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Voltstagges redditpost is a good theory, i'll give him that.
HOWEVER, it is no more true than any other interpretation , nor does some books saying that something is in a certain way make that thing truly be that way - Warhammer 40k simply doesn't work like that.
There are very few things that are absolutes in 40k - most important events that have happened and some important people and places that have or do exist. This, however, does not extent to everything, and most certainly not to in-universe peoples opinions about the world which they inhabit.
Everyone are free to believe what they want and present the evidence to back up their theory, but it will not invalidate other peoples ideas or interpretations.
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2018/08/18 08:17:46
Subject: The Emperor, an exiled Old One incognito
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Morgasm the Powerfull wrote:Voltstagges redditpost is a good theory, i'll give him that.
HOWEVER, it is no more true than any other interpretation , nor does some books saying that something is in a certain way make that thing truly be that way - Warhammer 40k simply doesn't work like that.
There are very few things that are absolutes in 40k - most important events that have happened and some important people and places that have or do exist. This, however, does not extent to everything, and most certainly not to in-universe peoples opinions about the world which they inhabit.
Everyone are free to believe what they want and present the evidence to back up their theory, but it will not invalidate other peoples ideas or interpretations.
That quote was a guy giving his thoughts on why Perpetual Oll Persson works as a character, it was not me proving anything except that the Perpetuals not being well written is opinion.
IF we believe the Horus Heresy books, namely Know No Fear and Mark of Calth, then the Emperor talked with Perpetual Oll Persson outside of Nineveh. But everything is told from unreliable narrators, that is an essential part of 40k.
And I'm certain you about the shaman origin being from the lore of 1st Edition Rogue Trader.
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2018/08/21 15:50:57
Subject: The Emperor, an exiled Old One incognito
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Onething123456 wrote:Morgasm the Powerfull wrote:Voltstagges redditpost is a good theory, i'll give him that.
HOWEVER, it is no more true than any other interpretation , nor does some books saying that something is in a certain way make that thing truly be that way - Warhammer 40k simply doesn't work like that.
There are very few things that are absolutes in 40k - most important events that have happened and some important people and places that have or do exist. This, however, does not extent to everything, and most certainly not to in-universe peoples opinions about the world which they inhabit.
Everyone are free to believe what they want and present the evidence to back up their theory, but it will not invalidate other peoples ideas or interpretations.
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That quote was a guy giving his thoughts on why Perpetual Oll Persson works as a character, it was not me proving anything except that the Perpetuals not being well written is opinion.
IF we believe the Horus Heresy books, namely Know No Fear and Mark of Calth, then the Emperor talked with Perpetual Oll Persson outside of Nineveh. But everything is told from unreliable narrators, that is an essential part of 40k.
And I'm certain you about the shaman origin being from the lore of 1st Edition Rogue Trader.
And that’s why it’s better than the HH book rubbish.
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