Thirteens trapped in Chiangrai Cave Found

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**Steelmage99**

Frazzled wrote:

Could they get some good coal minors in there....

Why would you send in more kids?

I'll get me coat....

**Humble Guardsman**

It's begun. Godspeed to them, this is insanely risky. One of the Thai Navy Seals died making the same trip.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-08/thailand-cave-rescue-attempt-begins/9955206

**Overread**

Good luck to them, it sounds like the race against the rising water levels is forcing them to take probably one of the more drastic actions!

**Lone Cat**

Iron_Captain wrote:
Seems like the attempt to get an oxygen cable into the cave was unsuccessful. Also, it has started to rain...

Also, the boys apparently have a lot of experience with this cave. They went into it to explore it many times, at times even farther in than where they are stuck now. Well, I guess that they won't be going back anymore if they survive this ordeal.

And that's quite a big excuse (in addition to the FIFA 2018 Worldcup Final Round Invitation) to evac these kids TODAY.! Beginning at 10:00 AM Local time. estimated to finish at 9:00 PM

the Command Center declared that it was a right moment to get them out. NOW OR NEVER (the cave was said to be dry enough to easily walk out, yet the rainstorm is coming)

**Frazzled**

CNN saying four boys out now!

**Overread**

Hopefully the luck holds out!

**jhe90**

Lone Cat wrote:
Iron_Captain wrote:
Seems like the attempt to get an oxygen cable into the cave was unsuccessful. Also, it has started to rain...

Also, the boys apparently have a lot of experience with this cave. They went into it to explore it many times, at times even farther in than where they are stuck now. Well, I guess that they won't be going back anymore if they survive this ordeal.

And that's quite a big excuse (in addition to the FIFA 2018 Worldcup Final Round Invitation) to evac these kids TODAY.! Beginning at 10:00 AM Local time. estimated to finish at 9:00 PM

the Command Center declared that it was a right moment to get them out. NOW OR NEVER (the cave was said to be dry enough to easily walk out, yet the rainstorm is coming)

Caves are dry. Monsoon coming. It's do or have dead kids.

Theres no other way.

**djones520**

First 4 made it out.

**Lone Cat**

And four already reached Chiangrai Prachanukroh Hospital and placed in the 8th Storrey.
Evacuation plans includes the two exit vehicles choices stood by; Four Helos and Thirteen Ambulances.
Heavy rains and night times however precluded aviation choices completely. if airlift choice is taken, all patients may be shipped to Bangkok hospitals (any hospitals ready for this tasks).
With land transport choices chosen... ambulances will get a motorcade and armed security units stood by along the route.. especially the long stetch of Phahon Yothin eastside lanes get similar treatments to any Royal motorcades i've witnessed for all my lifetime.

**RiTides**

Yes!!! Keep it up Seals!

**Lone Cat**

NO! After four teenage footballers rescued. the whole team must take a '10-hour break' (to resupply things like O2 containers, and an entire rescue team themselves must take a break after arduous hours of works, hopefully everyone will be evacuated by tomorrow.

judging from this scenario. I'm not quite sure whether will these teenaged will be up to FIFA offer to see Worldcup Final in Moscow in time? (or will medteams released them in time to see the show?)

EDIT: First three footballers rescued were transported by helos, the fourth left the cave too late to board helos safely. (rains came, dusk time) and thus had to ride ambulance to the aformented hospital.

**jhe90**

Lone Cat wrote:
NO! After four teenage footballers rescued. the whole team must take a '10-hour break' (to resupply things like O2 containers, and an entire rescue team themselves must take a break after arduous hours of works, hopefully everyone will be evacuated by tomorrow.

judging from this scenario. I'm not quite sure whether will these teenaged will be up to FIFA offer to see Worldcup Final in Moscow in time? (or will medteams released them in time to see the show?)

Aye. Well 4 per run, and 9 remaining..

Though they took weakest first so later runs may be faster and additional gear is on route to support it.

**Lone Cat**

Hopefully additional gears and supply is being shipped to the site as we speak.

**RiTides**

jhe90 wrote:
Well 4 per run, and 9 remaining..

Though they took weakest first so later runs may be faster and additional gear is on route to support it.

Only 8 children left, though, right? I wonder if the coach will be treated differently, or if it's just as difficult given his lack of diving experience...

**Overread**

I can't see how it would be any different save that the coach might well be one of the last out. His age and size might mean that he's actually harder to extract (if his size is significant compared to the kids) since that would make it harder for him to work his way through tight gaps.

He's still inexperienced, scared, suffering from days entrapped in darkness with limited food and water etc...

**Kilkrazy**

The coach will be the last one out because he needs to see all his charges go out before him, and because he is the most likely to get stuck and die, due to being bigger than the boys.

I wish all of them the best of luck, and their rescuers too. Remember there are 40 Thai and 50 foreign divers involved in the operation.

**tneva82**

Lone Cat wrote:

judging from this scenario. I'm not quite sure whether will these teenaged will be up to FIFA offer to see Worldcup Final in Moscow in time? (or will medteams released them in time to see the show?)
.

Side note for that wonder if all if any can actually take that offer up. At least some(tge nly english speaker for example) are legally stateless. They ldgally can't get job, marry or have a passport. I imagine going to russia without passport might be difficult...

Hopefully it works out. After this kids deserve something special for having survived this long and in surprisingly good mood it seems. Strong kids.

**Dreadwinter**

Watching the news right now. Saying a 5th kid has made it out. They are showing some camera footage from the rescue teams helmets. Holy gak it is intense. Do not watch that if you have claustrophobia.

**RiTides**

CNN seems to be the fastest, and are saying 3 more boys are out (7 total). They took out the strongest 4 first yesterday. It also said current conditions make only the first kilometer extremely treacherous (with rescuers needing to hold the boys' oxygen tanks in front of them in narrow sections) but that they can wade through most of the remainder.

Keep it up...

**Overread**

Half way there if that's 7 out! Very pleasing to hear and hope that the good results keep coming!

**filbert**

Interesting insight from the BBC:

The expert divers involved in the rescue operation will be doing the majority of the work for the boys as they come out of the cave system, Peter Dennis, from the British Cave Rescue Council, told the BBC.

The boys would remain largely passive as they were guided through the cave system, he said.

"There's been a lot of comment on them needing to learn to dive before they could come out. Well, that isn't the case. They're just essentially being pulled through the water," he said.

"They have their full face mask and their air supply so they can breathe as normal. They have an air supply around their face over this much larger screened mask and that's been the key really to getting the four out successfully yesterday."

Mr Dennis also said he thought the boys would have been lightly sedated by a doctor who joined them in the chamber, to prevent them from panicking during the journey out.

Makes sense really. I would have thought in that situation the difficulty is not so much in the actual physicality of getting out (although that is clearly a huge challenge in itself) but more that the absolute last thing you need is a panicked, frightened child in a tight, claustrophobic situation.

**RiTides**

That makes a lot of sense, thanks for posting it, filbert! Honestly, I think I might want a sedative myself while the SEALs pulled me out

**jhe90**

filbert wrote:
Interesting insight from the BBC:

The expert divers involved in the rescue operation will be doing the majority of the work for the boys as they come out of the cave system, Peter Dennis, from the British Cave Rescue Council, told the BBC.

The boys would remain largely passive as they were guided through the cave system, he said.

"There's been a lot of comment on them needing to learn to dive before they could come out. Well, that isn't the case. They're just essentially being pulled through the water," he said.

"They have their full face mask and their air supply so they can breathe as normal. They have an air supply around their face over this much larger screened mask and that's been the key really to getting the four out successfully yesterday."

Mr Dennis also said he thought the boys would have been lightly sedated by a doctor who joined them in the chamber, to prevent them from panicking during the journey out.

Makes sense really. I would have thought in that situation the difficulty is not so much in the actual physicality of getting out (although that is clearly a huge challenge in itself) but more that the absolute last thing you need is a panicked, frightened child in a tight, claustrophobic situation.

Makes sense. they just have ot breathe it it get rounds the requirement for training etc. they had no time to prepare them bar to use O2 masks.

Also if they paniced they could grab a divers airline etc and risk more than own lives.

Sounds best plan given the situation

**RiTides**

Update here - 4 more rescued (for a total of 8), with operations suspended for the day:

Rescuers working at a cave site in northern Thailand have suspended operations for the day after bringing four more boys out of the flooded cave system Monday, according to a witness working with the rescue team, bringing the total number of rescued boys to eight.

Four more boys and their coach remain trapped inside the Tham Luang Nang Non cave complex.

Just 4 more and the coach left to go! It sounds like a lot of rain is coming, so maybe this will happen tomorrow?

**greatbigtree**

But it's so dangerous it's nearly impossible! We should drill! There's no way they could just drag the kids out with a rope, or something. You don't understand how dangerous it is! Yer Ignant!

Ahem, now that that's out of the way...

I'm happy the rescue operation is going well. Kudos to the well trained personnel doing the good work in a difficult situation.

And yes, I'm scoring an I told you so, on the backs of endangered children. Sometimes I'm too petty for words.

**d-usa**

Are they still dragging the kids out through tunnels that are completely flooded?

I wonder if circumstances have changed where maybe....

- They were able to pump out water, requiring less time underwater on each trip?
- Forecasts for future rains are not looking good for the survival of the kids?
- Oxygen levels in the cave were deteriorating and they were unable to pump in fresh air?

So circumstances change, what they are doing is still extremely risky and you would have to be ignorant to assume that it isn't. The situation has just changed where a gakky option became the best option.

The diving option has produced one fatality so far, and the person who died was about as experienced of a diver as you can be.

**jhe90**

d-usa wrote:
Are they still dragging the kids out through tunnels that are completely flooded?

I wonder if circumstances have changed where maybe....

- They were able to pump out water, requiring less time underwater on each trip?
- Forecasts for future rains are not looking good for the survival of the kids?
- Oxygen levels in the cave were deteriorating and they were unable to pump in fresh air?

So circumstances change, what they are doing is still extremely risky and you would have to be ignorant to assume that it isn't. The situation has just changed where a gakky option became the best option.

The diving option has produced one fatality so far, and the person who died was about as experienced of a diver as you can be.

Yes. They reduces the 11 hour trip to 6 or so and managed to dry sections out to be walkable not diving.

Rains coming, and will be coming. Water levels will rise and the time to get them out can double or higher.

The plan to set up a airline failed and add kids n rescue teams oxygen levels where not looking good and decreasing.

Drilling could take a very long time, and there's no huge flat areas like the mine. It's mountains.

**Grey Templar**

It seems to have been partially a "Now or Never" situation. They weren't at an ideal spot for evacuation, but the rains coming meant they had to do it now.

**Xenomancers**

d-usa wrote:
Are they still dragging the kids out through tunnels that are completely flooded?

I wonder if circumstances have changed where maybe....

- They were able to pump out water, requiring less time underwater on each trip?
- Forecasts for future rains are not looking good for the survival of the kids?
- Oxygen levels in the cave were deteriorating and they were unable to pump in fresh air?

So circumstances change, what they are doing is still extremely risky and you would have to be ignorant to assume that it isn't. The situation has just changed where a gakky option became the best option.

The diving option has produced one fatality so far, and the person who died was about as experienced of a diver as you can be.

They have been pumping water out the whole time. They can't keep up with what is coming in (were talking about a huge area draining into it)
I'm guessing they just don't have the right equipment to replenish their air supply. From what I understand they are roughly 2.5 KM away from the opening to the cave. So all you'd need to give them a continuous supply of fresh air would be 2x 2.5km hoses with an airpump attached to 1 of them. The other hose would automatically remove the stale air (they must not have this available). They have been using Oxygen tanks to get them air - seems desperate.

**Steve steveson**

d-usa wrote:
Are they still dragging the kids out through tunnels that are completely flooded?

I wonder if circumstances have changed where maybe....

- They were able to pump out water, requiring less time underwater on each trip?
- Forecasts for future rains are not looking good for the survival of the kids?
- Oxygen levels in the cave were deteriorating and they were unable to pump in fresh air?

So circumstances change, what they are doing is still extremely risky and you would have to be ignorant to assume that it isn't. The situation has just changed where a gakky option became the best option.

The diving option has produced one fatality so far, and the person who died was about as experienced of a diver as you can be.

Appraently they reduced the water level from flooding most of the cave to one section of about 1000 meters. This is still hugely risky, but they have reduced it down to a single tight pass rather than two connected by a flooded cave. Apparently they are sedating the kids to avoid them panicing. This is still hugely risky, but now they have reduced the dive to a manageable level. It seems part of the reason is down to the rain that was expected yesterday being lighter, which they expected to flood the cave.