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Skinflint Games wrote: Let's take Dredd as a marker here. No A-listers, cult following, limited self contained storyline that non-comic fans can enjoy, $45 million budget. Tweak the visuals a little and you've got....
Necromunda - the movie
Dredd's a good example. It was made relatively cheaply, had a known but not A-list star, and was pretty well received by critics and fans. It also didn't do anywhere near well enough for the studio to want to make a sequel. That shows how tough a 40k film would be. Dredd had a known license, was a good film with a very modest budget and it was still a "failure" as defined by the studio. Unfortunately that's all that matters to the bean counters who fund these things.
I think the best chance of getting a 40k film made is if you get an extremely enthusiastic director or producer on board, as happened with the LotR films, or if you can get a bankable star to take it on as a passion project, as Ryan Reynolds did with Deadpool. You need something prior to starting production that will alleviate the risk for the studio.
Regardless of your point, Dredd was an awesome film though, loved it. They took it seriously unlike the first one, even though that touched on far more of the lore of the comics, but then again the comics were never serious.
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Well you can focus on two major factions, but you can also add a lot more and have them pretty much just be a support section in the film. Have them fighting in the background, have the protagonists interact with them here and there.
No you cant because it costs money and only pointlessly detracts from the plot. As I said, for moderate budget Chaos or Genestealer cults would be good opponents. They operate in small scale and can mostly be played by human actors. Then you can have a brief appearance by a purestrain genestealer or a daemon, which will eat more of the budget.
Well you can focus on two major factions, but you can also add a lot more and have them pretty much just be a support section in the film. Have them fighting in the background, have the protagonists interact with them here and there.
No you cant because it costs money and only pointlessly detracts from the plot. As I said, for moderate budget Chaos or Genestealer cults would be good opponents. They operate in small scale and can mostly be played by human actors. Then you can have a brief appearance by a purestrain genestealer or a daemon, which will eat more of the budget.
Suppose, but if it was a animated film, then it would be much easier.
Another example (again with Karl Urban, coincidentally) - Priest, 2011, $60 million. If anyone's seen it, it's hive cities, theocracy, intensively trained warrior monks with superhuman abilities and "vampires" that look and act suspiciously like Genestealers. You could just slap a GW logo on something like that and call it done.
Well you can focus on two major factions, but you can also add a lot more and have them pretty much just be a support section in the film. Have them fighting in the background, have the protagonists interact with them here and there.
No you cant because it costs money and only pointlessly detracts from the plot. As I said, for moderate budget Chaos or Genestealer cults would be good opponents. They operate in small scale and can mostly be played by human actors. Then you can have a brief appearance by a purestrain genestealer or a daemon, which will eat more of the budget.
Suppose, but if it was a animated film, then it would be much easier.
As long as it looks like this:
14 years on and that is still just for me
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Skinflint Games wrote: Another example (again with Karl Urban, coincidentally) - Priest, 2011, $60 million. If anyone's seen it, it's hive cities, theocracy, intensively trained warrior monks with superhuman abilities and "vampires" that look and act suspiciously like Genestealers. You could just slap a GW logo on something like that and call it done.
Well you can focus on two major factions, but you can also add a lot more and have them pretty much just be a support section in the film. Have them fighting in the background, have the protagonists interact with them here and there.
No you cant because it costs money and only pointlessly detracts from the plot. As I said, for moderate budget Chaos or Genestealer cults would be good opponents. They operate in small scale and can mostly be played by human actors. Then you can have a brief appearance by a purestrain genestealer or a daemon, which will eat more of the budget.
Suppose, but if it was a animated film, then it would be much easier.
As long as it looks like this:
14 years on and that is still just for me
Yeah that was good film, had a kinda 40k vibe to it.
Well you can focus on two major factions, but you can also add a lot more and have them pretty much just be a support section in the film. Have them fighting in the background, have the protagonists interact with them here and there.
No you cant because it costs money and only pointlessly detracts from the plot. As I said, for moderate budget Chaos or Genestealer cults would be good opponents. They operate in small scale and can mostly be played by human actors. Then you can have a brief appearance by a purestrain genestealer or a daemon, which will eat more of the budget.
The best I can see you doing for xenos armies is either have genestealers/chaos armies as you say or have smaller presences of them as an overlord of sorts. Like an independent human planet with Eldar rulers could be done in an interesting way and I think you could set up some cool scenes with Wraithguard.
tremere47-fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate, leads to triple riptide spam
Well you can focus on two major factions, but you can also add a lot more and have them pretty much just be a support section in the film. Have them fighting in the background, have the protagonists interact with them here and there.
No you cant because it costs money and only pointlessly detracts from the plot. As I said, for moderate budget Chaos or Genestealer cults would be good opponents. They operate in small scale and can mostly be played by human actors. Then you can have a brief appearance by a purestrain genestealer or a daemon, which will eat more of the budget.
The best I can see you doing for xenos armies is either have genestealers/chaos armies as you say or have smaller presences of them as an overlord of sorts. Like an independent human planet with Eldar rulers could be done in an interesting way and I think you could set up some cool scenes with Wraithguard.
Or harlequins, I think you could have a really cool small scale film with them traveling through the webway, changing things to set a certain future in place, fighting daemons in the webway,. fighting Ahriman etc. The only thing though is an non-40k audience wouldn't get aliens dressing like jesters, they'd be like 'what the hell is this.'
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Well you can focus on two major factions, but you can also add a lot more and have them pretty much just be a support section in the film. Have them fighting in the background, have the protagonists interact with them here and there.
No you cant because it costs money and only pointlessly detracts from the plot. As I said, for moderate budget Chaos or Genestealer cults would be good opponents. They operate in small scale and can mostly be played by human actors. Then you can have a brief appearance by a purestrain genestealer or a daemon, which will eat more of the budget.
The best I can see you doing for xenos armies is either have genestealers/chaos armies as you say or have smaller presences of them as an overlord of sorts. Like an independent human planet with Eldar rulers could be done in an interesting way and I think you could set up some cool scenes with Wraithguard.
Or harlequins, I think you could have a really cool small scale film with them traveling through the webway, changing things to set a certain future in place, fighting daemons in the webway,. fighting Ahriman etc. The only thing though is an non-40k audience wouldn't get aliens dressing like jesters, they'd be like 'what the hell is this.'
Harlequins don't really work as an overlord character. Only shadowseers suit the role and they look really weird to outsiders. Travelling through the Webway seems like a movie about travelling down a motorway - something can happen and be interesting but they probably won't and if it does the solution is probably drive away fast. It could do as a short film or something though.
tremere47-fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate, leads to triple riptide spam
Well you can focus on two major factions, but you can also add a lot more and have them pretty much just be a support section in the film. Have them fighting in the background, have the protagonists interact with them here and there.
No you cant because it costs money and only pointlessly detracts from the plot. As I said, for moderate budget Chaos or Genestealer cults would be good opponents. They operate in small scale and can mostly be played by human actors. Then you can have a brief appearance by a purestrain genestealer or a daemon, which will eat more of the budget.
The best I can see you doing for xenos armies is either have genestealers/chaos armies as you say or have smaller presences of them as an overlord of sorts. Like an independent human planet with Eldar rulers could be done in an interesting way and I think you could set up some cool scenes with Wraithguard.
Or harlequins, I think you could have a really cool small scale film with them traveling through the webway, changing things to set a certain future in place, fighting daemons in the webway,. fighting Ahriman etc. The only thing though is an non-40k audience wouldn't get aliens dressing like jesters, they'd be like 'what the hell is this.'
Harlequins don't really work as an overlord character. Only shadowseers suit the role and they look really weird to outsiders. Travelling through the Webway seems like a movie about travelling down a motorway - something can happen and be interesting but they probably won't and if it does the solution is probably drive away fast. It could do as a short film or something though.
I already stated they look weird to outsiders, I was just saying it would be cool, but it would work for 40k fans I think. What do you mean overlord, is that a typo? Obviously they wouldn't be in the webway all the time, my point is they can go from destination to destination, battle to battle, leaves a lot of situations and room for writers to create a really cool script. Though I still personally would like to see an Astartes film.
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Well you can focus on two major factions, but you can also add a lot more and have them pretty much just be a support section in the film. Have them fighting in the background, have the protagonists interact with them here and there.
No you cant because it costs money and only pointlessly detracts from the plot. As I said, for moderate budget Chaos or Genestealer cults would be good opponents. They operate in small scale and can mostly be played by human actors. Then you can have a brief appearance by a purestrain genestealer or a daemon, which will eat more of the budget.
The best I can see you doing for xenos armies is either have genestealers/chaos armies as you say or have smaller presences of them as an overlord of sorts. Like an independent human planet with Eldar rulers could be done in an interesting way and I think you could set up some cool scenes with Wraithguard.
Or harlequins, I think you could have a really cool small scale film with them traveling through the webway, changing things to set a certain future in place, fighting daemons in the webway,. fighting Ahriman etc. The only thing though is an non-40k audience wouldn't get aliens dressing like jesters, they'd be like 'what the hell is this.'
Harlequins don't really work as an overlord character. Only shadowseers suit the role and they look really weird to outsiders. Travelling through the Webway seems like a movie about travelling down a motorway - something can happen and be interesting but they probably won't and if it does the solution is probably drive away fast. It could do as a short film or something though.
I already stated they look weird to outsiders, I was just saying it would be cool, but it would work for 40k fans I think. What do you mean overlord, is that a typo? Obviously they wouldn't be in the webway all the time, my point is they can go from destination to destination, battle to battle, leaves a lot of situations and room for writers to create a really cool script. Though I still personally would like to see an Astartes film.
I mean overlord. The man behind the ruler. The puppetmaster.
I know. That's a very small audience and going from destination to destination seems poor for a film script unless you spend a tiny about of time in each place. I think it could do well as a tv series though.
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I feel like no movie could really do 40k justice. Maybe a mini serious could cover a small sliver but it's far to big a setting to cover more than the tiniest drop in 2 and a half hours.
Wait don't you use to have a marine avatar? I thought you played marines!
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Movies are dead. Netflix/HBO binge watch series are WAY better. Watch all six seasons of Game of Thrones and ask yourself if they could have done anything with movie format.
40k is the same. Season one, pick a faction. Every1 or 2 episodes, they deal with a threat from a different faction. It gets everyone in by the end of the first season.
Season 2, pick a different faction and repeat. Recurring characters bind it all together.
Now, still a risk? Yes.
Still a huge budget? Yes.
My point is just that if you're dreaming about 40k on screen, why dream about it in a medium that is problematic for telling such complex and robust stories with such an incredible diversity of character types.
Well you can focus on two major factions, but you can also add a lot more and have them pretty much just be a support section in the film. Have them fighting in the background, have the protagonists interact with them here and there.
No you cant because it costs money and only pointlessly detracts from the plot. As I said, for moderate budget Chaos or Genestealer cults would be good opponents. They operate in small scale and can mostly be played by human actors. Then you can have a brief appearance by a purestrain genestealer or a daemon, which will eat more of the budget.
The best I can see you doing for xenos armies is either have genestealers/chaos armies as you say or have smaller presences of them as an overlord of sorts. Like an independent human planet with Eldar rulers could be done in an interesting way and I think you could set up some cool scenes with Wraithguard.
Or harlequins, I think you could have a really cool small scale film with them traveling through the webway, changing things to set a certain future in place, fighting daemons in the webway,. fighting Ahriman etc. The only thing though is an non-40k audience wouldn't get aliens dressing like jesters, they'd be like 'what the hell is this.'
Harlequins don't really work as an overlord character. Only shadowseers suit the role and they look really weird to outsiders. Travelling through the Webway seems like a movie about travelling down a motorway - something can happen and be interesting but they probably won't and if it does the solution is probably drive away fast. It could do as a short film or something though.
I already stated they look weird to outsiders, I was just saying it would be cool, but it would work for 40k fans I think. What do you mean overlord, is that a typo? Obviously they wouldn't be in the webway all the time, my point is they can go from destination to destination, battle to battle, leaves a lot of situations and room for writers to create a really cool script. Though I still personally would like to see an Astartes film.
I mean overlord. The man behind the ruler. The puppetmaster.
I know. That's a very small audience and going from destination to destination seems poor for a film script unless you spend a tiny about of time in each place. I think it could do well as a tv series though.
It would be bad for a script if it was only battle 'from place to place' but if there was a story arc behind the conflict it could be really good. Like fighting chaos in one aspect to get a relic to bring the Emperor back and then fighting Inquisitors that have clocked on and are trying to stop them, and then fighting Imperials to try and get to terra. Then trying to get passed the Custodes to get to the Emperor. There is plenty there for a good script.
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Wait don't you use to have a marine avatar? I thought you played marines!
I do, and I think they're cool in a war game. I just think they're boring as characters in a story. They're psycho indoctrinated fanatical killers. You can humanise them, but ultimately such attempts dilute them. Marines have forsaken a big part of what makes us human in order to protect the rest of the humanity. The only way that I could see a marine being an interesting character in a story were if it was some sort of lone marine among normal(ish) humans (like a Deathwatch marine in an inquisitors retinue) and you could contrast his inhumanity against the humans.
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Still not a great film zipping from place to place following a poor story. That doesn't really change my points.
I'm not trying to change your points, there are many great 40k books with the same type of story. Plus the zipping about is just the mechanism to get about, they aren't going to spend the whole film zipping about, what matters is what they do in-between the times they zip about. Ever see quantum leap, they didn't just spend the time explaining the leap.
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I agree with Crimson, Marines would make a lousy focus, BUT they should still apper as Space Marines are THE 40k poster boys. So how would I have them apper, simple, let's take the Inqusitor idea. I tend to belive that absolute BEST idea for a 40k show would be a netflix series focused on an Inqusitor so I'll use that as my template but you could easily do a movie of this as well.
the movie starts with the Inqusitor and his retuine investigating something, thery follow a complex trail of crumbs chasing a big bad, a chaos cult or if you wanted to keep to one planet a genestealer cult. (a chaos cult strikes me as more likely to have a good 'villian' leading the cult though) plenty of adventures and action follow, and they finally reach the end game, which necessities a biiiiiig battle as they attempt to capture the cult's leader. and for this big battle? Space Marines show up. Now the Space Marines are depicted as walking demigods, we first see one in action as our heros are struggling with an adversary. (a chaos space marine maybe? Something big dangerous and threatening) and then a loyalist space marine shows up and single handedly takes it down, Showing us that "yeah Marines are bad asses"
In short use Marines Sparingly, but make sure when they do show up the audiance is left in awe of them.
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
BrianDavion wrote: I agree with Crimson, Marines would make a lousy focus, BUT they should still apper as Space Marines are THE 40k poster boys. So how would I have them apper, simple, let's take the Inqusitor idea. I tend to belive that absolute BEST idea for a 40k show would be a netflix series focused on an Inqusitor so I'll use that as my template but you could easily do a movie of this as well.
the movie starts with the Inqusitor and his retuine investigating something, thery follow a complex trail of crumbs chasing a big bad, a chaos cult or if you wanted to keep to one planet a genestealer cult. (a chaos cult strikes me as more likely to have a good 'villian' leading the cult though) plenty of adventures and action follow, and they finally reach the end game, which necessities a biiiiiig battle as they attempt to capture the cult's leader. and for this big battle? Space Marines show up. Now the Space Marines are depicted as walking demigods, we first see one in action as our heros are struggling with an adversary. (a chaos space marine maybe? Something big dangerous and threatening) and then a loyalist space marine shows up and single handedly takes it down, Showing us that "yeah Marines are bad asses"
In short use Marines Sparingly, but make sure when they do show up the audiance is left in awe of them.
Yeah that would be cool, doesn't have to be completely focused on Astartes, but the original film failed because it was all action and no plot really, the plot was basically a shrine world sends a signal they come find the source fight chaos and a daemon prince comes aboard their ship. I think they could do an actually interesting version of an Astartes film.
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BrianDavion wrote: I agree with Crimson, Marines would make a lousy focus, BUT they should still apper as Space Marines are THE 40k poster boys. So how would I have them apper, simple, let's take the Inqusitor idea. I tend to belive that absolute BEST idea for a 40k show would be a netflix series focused on an Inqusitor so I'll use that as my template but you could easily do a movie of this as well.
the movie starts with the Inqusitor and his retuine investigating something, thery follow a complex trail of crumbs chasing a big bad, a chaos cult or if you wanted to keep to one planet a genestealer cult. (a chaos cult strikes me as more likely to have a good 'villian' leading the cult though) plenty of adventures and action follow, and they finally reach the end game, which necessities a biiiiiig battle as they attempt to capture the cult's leader. and for this big battle? Space Marines show up. Now the Space Marines are depicted as walking demigods, we first see one in action as our heros are struggling with an adversary. (a chaos space marine maybe? Something big dangerous and threatening) and then a loyalist space marine shows up and single handedly takes it down, Showing us that "yeah Marines are bad asses"
In short use Marines Sparingly, but make sure when they do show up the audiance is left in awe of them.
Yeah that would be cool, doesn't have to be completely focused on Astartes, but the original film failed because it was all action and no plot really, the plot was basically a shrine world sends a signal they come find the source fight chaos and a daemon prince comes aboard their ship. I think they could do an actually interesting version of an Astartes film.
You can do an intreasting film about anything if you're creative eneugh I suppose. Another reason why a space marine film would be a bad idea is Space Marines know most of the stuff about the setting so it'd make exposition somewhat difficult.
An Inqusitorial warband includes people from all walks of life, including people who would be ignorant of an aweful lot. this would allow easy exposition of things, as we are told, who Horus was, what chaos is, etc.
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BrianDavion wrote: I agree with Crimson, Marines would make a lousy focus, BUT they should still apper as Space Marines are THE 40k poster boys. So how would I have them apper, simple, let's take the Inqusitor idea. I tend to belive that absolute BEST idea for a 40k show would be a netflix series focused on an Inqusitor so I'll use that as my template but you could easily do a movie of this as well.
the movie starts with the Inqusitor and his retuine investigating something, thery follow a complex trail of crumbs chasing a big bad, a chaos cult or if you wanted to keep to one planet a genestealer cult. (a chaos cult strikes me as more likely to have a good 'villian' leading the cult though) plenty of adventures and action follow, and they finally reach the end game, which necessities a biiiiiig battle as they attempt to capture the cult's leader. and for this big battle? Space Marines show up. Now the Space Marines are depicted as walking demigods, we first see one in action as our heros are struggling with an adversary. (a chaos space marine maybe? Something big dangerous and threatening) and then a loyalist space marine shows up and single handedly takes it down, Showing us that "yeah Marines are bad asses"
In short use Marines Sparingly, but make sure when they do show up the audiance is left in awe of them.
Yeah that would be cool, doesn't have to be completely focused on Astartes, but the original film failed because it was all action and no plot really, the plot was basically a shrine world sends a signal they come find the source fight chaos and a daemon prince comes aboard their ship. I think they could do an actually interesting version of an Astartes film.
You can do an intreasting film about anything if you're creative eneugh I suppose. Another reason why a space marine film would be a bad idea is Space Marines know most of the stuff about the setting so it'd make exposition somewhat difficult.
An Inqusitorial warband includes people from all walks of life, including people who would be ignorant of an aweful lot. this would allow easy exposition of things, as we are told, who Horus was, what chaos is, etc.
I agree with you, the Inquisitorial focus with Astartes as a support would probably be best but I'm just saying an Astartes focus film could still be done really well.
I'm watching Full Metal Jacket right now, and I can't help wondering about a 40k version - maybe Astartes, maybe Guard, following their training and then being deployed to war.. the novel "Fifteen Hours" was basically this, might make a good starting point.
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Skinflint Games wrote: I'm watching Full Metal Jacket right now, and I can't help wondering about a 40k version - maybe Astartes, maybe Guard, following their training and then being deployed to war.. the novel "Fifteen Hours" was basically this, might make a good starting point.
They have to have a 40k equivalent of the drill sgt.
Skinflint Games wrote: I'm watching Full Metal Jacket right now, and I can't help wondering about a 40k version - maybe Astartes, maybe Guard, following their training and then being deployed to war.. the novel "Fifteen Hours" was basically this, might make a good starting point.
They have to have a 40k equivalent of the drill sgt.
Training Sgt Classius: where you from private?
pvt Dulars: Cadia, Sir!
tsgt: oh well isn't that nice . there's only 2 thing that come from Cadia, Purple eyes and warp taint. and you already got the purple eyes.
Skinflint Games wrote: I'm watching Full Metal Jacket right now, and I can't help wondering about a 40k version - maybe Astartes, maybe Guard, following their training and then being deployed to war.. the novel "Fifteen Hours" was basically this, might make a good starting point.
They have to have a 40k equivalent of the drill sgt.
Training Sgt Classius: where you from private?
pvt Dulars: Cadia, Sir!
tsgt: oh well isn't that nice . there's only 2 thing that come from Cadia, Purple eyes and warp taint. and you already got the purple eyes.
Lol the first heretic, people forget that there were heretics on Cadia before it became the gate warden.
Skinflint Games wrote: I'm watching Full Metal Jacket right now, and I can't help wondering about a 40k version - maybe Astartes, maybe Guard, following their training and then being deployed to war.. the novel "Fifteen Hours" was basically this, might make a good starting point.
They have to have a 40k equivalent of the drill sgt.
Training Sgt Classius: where you from private?
pvt Dulars: Cadia, Sir!
tsgt: oh well isn't that nice . there's only 2 thing that come from Cadia, Purple eyes and warp taint. and you already got the purple eyes.
Lol the first heretic, people forget that there were heretics on Cadia before it became the gate warden.
no most people don't forget.
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
Skinflint Games wrote: I'm watching Full Metal Jacket right now, and I can't help wondering about a 40k version - maybe Astartes, maybe Guard, following their training and then being deployed to war.. the novel "Fifteen Hours" was basically this, might make a good starting point.
They have to have a 40k equivalent of the drill sgt.
Training Sgt Classius: where you from private?
pvt Dulars: Cadia, Sir!
tsgt: oh well isn't that nice . there's only 2 thing that come from Cadia, Purple eyes and warp taint. and you already got the purple eyes.
Lol the first heretic, people forget that there were heretics on Cadia before it became the gate warden.
no most people don't forget.
I just wanted to tell everyone I know that bit of lore lol
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