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 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
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Still not a great film zipping from place to place following a poor story. That doesn't really change my points.

I'm not trying to change your points, there are many great 40k books with the same type of story. Plus the zipping about is just the mechanism to get about, they aren't going to spend the whole film zipping about, what matters is what they do in-between the times they zip about. Ever see quantum leap, they didn't just spend the time explaining the leap.

So you're just arguing for the sake of it.

Dunno if this was already said, but from GW consolidated report

"The Warhammer settings are incredibly rich and evocative backdrops. They’re populated by more than three decades of
fantastical characters and comprise of thousands of exciting narratives. Going forward, we want to make it easier than ever for
people to engage with and immerse themselves in our IP. To that end, I have a small, senior team to help me find new partners
to help us bring the worlds of Warhammer to life like never before. Together, we’ll explore animation, live action and more, while
ensuring we do no harm to our core miniatures business."

pm713 wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
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Still not a great film zipping from place to place following a poor story. That doesn't really change my points.

I'm not trying to change your points, there are many great 40k books with the same type of story. Plus the zipping about is just the mechanism to get about, they aren't going to spend the whole film zipping about, what matters is what they do in-between the times they zip about. Ever see quantum leap, they didn't just spend the time explaining the leap.

So you're just arguing for the sake of it.

No, I'm not, you are saying it wouldn't be a good script I'm saying it would.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
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snip

Still not a great film zipping from place to place following a poor story. That doesn't really change my points.

I'm not trying to change your points, there are many great 40k books with the same type of story. Plus the zipping about is just the mechanism to get about, they aren't going to spend the whole film zipping about, what matters is what they do in-between the times they zip about. Ever see quantum leap, they didn't just spend the time explaining the leap.

So you're just arguing for the sake of it.

No, I'm not, you are saying it wouldn't be a good script I'm saying it would.

Your only suggestion has been a story of fighting in lots of different places and going between them. Which sounds terrible to me.

pm713 wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
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snip

Still not a great film zipping from place to place following a poor story. That doesn't really change my points.

I'm not trying to change your points, there are many great 40k books with the same type of story. Plus the zipping about is just the mechanism to get about, they aren't going to spend the whole film zipping about, what matters is what they do in-between the times they zip about. Ever see quantum leap, they didn't just spend the time explaining the leap.

So you're just arguing for the sake of it.

No, I'm not, you are saying it wouldn't be a good script I'm saying it would.

Your only suggestion has been a story of fighting in lots of different places and going between them. Which sounds terrible to me.

The harlequins getting a relic to wake up the Emperor is not just fighting, they have to fight to accomplish that, stop being purposely obtuse.

the problem with harliquins getting a relic to wake up the emperor is 1: A movie where Eldar are the feature race proably is a bad idea (like it or not 40k centers around the Imperium, a 40k movie would be best served with an Imperium protagionist) 2: there's no way they can actually acheive it. (and we've SEEN the eldar make a beeline for the emperor before in war of the beast it ended in the Custodes slaughtering them)

BrianDavion wrote:
the problem with harliquins getting a relic to wake up the emperor is 1: A movie where Eldar are the feature race proably is a bad idea (like it or not 40k centers around the Imperium, a 40k movie would be best served with an Imperium protagionist) 2: there's no way they can actually acheive it. (and we've SEEN the eldar make a beeline for the emperor before in war of the beast it ended in the Custodes slaughtering them)

They don't have to achieve it, the film could be them getting as close as they can, but this argument is based on that i think it could be cool, I already said it wouldn't work as people would thin aliens dressed as jesters would be weird, I was just commenting on a another post where someone said they'd like to see an eldar focused film, I'd rather see an imperial or chaos focus pm713 is trying just arguing that it would be boring.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
the problem with harliquins getting a relic to wake up the emperor is 1: A movie where Eldar are the feature race proably is a bad idea (like it or not 40k centers around the Imperium, a 40k movie would be best served with an Imperium protagionist) 2: there's no way they can actually acheive it. (and we've SEEN the eldar make a beeline for the emperor before in war of the beast it ended in the Custodes slaughtering them)

They don't have to achieve it, the film could be them getting as close as they can, but this argument is based on that i think it could be cool, I already said it wouldn't work as people would thin aliens dressed as jesters would be weird, I was just commenting on a another post where someone said they'd like to see an eldar focused film, I'd rather see an imperial or chaos focus pm713 is trying just being arguing that it would be boring.

Why would it be cool? From an outside perspective it's weird space elves fighting to get a relic to to an Emperor. From an inside perspective it's Harlequins doing something colossally stupid and it would make no sense. Both require a lot of boring exposition in and it's just a bad idea from start to finish. Although I have no idea what that last sentence says I am sure you never admitted the film wouldn't work.

pm713 wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
the problem with harliquins getting a relic to wake up the emperor is 1: A movie where Eldar are the feature race proably is a bad idea (like it or not 40k centers around the Imperium, a 40k movie would be best served with an Imperium protagionist) 2: there's no way they can actually acheive it. (and we've SEEN the eldar make a beeline for the emperor before in war of the beast it ended in the Custodes slaughtering them)

They don't have to achieve it, the film could be them getting as close as they can, but this argument is based on that i think it could be cool, I already said it wouldn't work as people would thin aliens dressed as jesters would be weird, I was just commenting on a another post where someone said they'd like to see an eldar focused film, I'd rather see an imperial or chaos focus pm713 is trying just being arguing that it would be boring.

Why would it be cool? From an outside perspective it's weird space elves fighting to get a relic to to an Emperor. From an inside perspective it's Harlequins doing something colossally stupid and it would make no sense. Both require a lot of boring exposition in and it's just a bad idea from start to finish. Although I have no idea what that last sentence says I am sure you never admitted the film wouldn't work.

I said people who are not fans would not get aliens dressed as jesters, it would work as a film just for 40k fans. Harlequins do whatever keeps their race alive, their reasons for doing things have always been shrouded in mystery; they have, however, helped the Imperium many times, they have even helped Chaos. They helped CSM in primogenitor, as their goals also helped the harlequins mission, plus eldar have always known that the Imperium are important for their existence, as the Imperium is the main force that holds chaos back in the galaxy. I mean the eldar brought back Girlyman, If bringing the Emperor back would somehow help them, then they would do that. It would seem colossally stupid to someone that didn't know a lot about the lore A lot of boring expositions, yeah that's your opinion and its a short sighted one, again they aren't just going to be traveling around in the film, have a bit of imagination Last sentence had a typo but you still knew what it meant, seriously you are just being a bit ridiculous now.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
the problem with harliquins getting a relic to wake up the emperor is 1: A movie where Eldar are the feature race proably is a bad idea (like it or not 40k centers around the Imperium, a 40k movie would be best served with an Imperium protagionist) 2: there's no way they can actually acheive it. (and we've SEEN the eldar make a beeline for the emperor before in war of the beast it ended in the Custodes slaughtering them)

They don't have to achieve it, the film could be them getting as close as they can, but this argument is based on that i think it could be cool, I already said it wouldn't work as people would thin aliens dressed as jesters would be weird, I was just commenting on a another post where someone said they'd like to see an eldar focused film, I'd rather see an imperial or chaos focus pm713 is trying just being arguing that it would be boring.

Why would it be cool? From an outside perspective it's weird space elves fighting to get a relic to to an Emperor. From an inside perspective it's Harlequins doing something colossally stupid and it would make no sense. Both require a lot of boring exposition in and it's just a bad idea from start to finish. Although I have no idea what that last sentence says I am sure you never admitted the film wouldn't work.

I said people who are not fans would not get aliens dressed as jesters, it would work as a film just for 40k fans. Harlequins do whatever keeps their race alive, their reasons for doing things have always been shrouded in mystery; they have, however, helped the Imperium many times, they have even helped Chaos. They helped CSM in primogenitor, as their goals also helped the harlequins mission, plus eldar have always known that the Imperium are important for their existence, as the Imperium is the main force that holds chaos back in the galaxy. I mean the eldar brought back Girlyman, If bringing the Emperor back would somehow help them, then they would do that. It would seem colossally stupid to someone that didn't know a lot about the lore A lot of boring expositions, yeah that's your opinion and its a short sighted one, again they aren't just going to be traveling around in the film, have a bit of imagination Last sentence had a typo but you still knew what it meant, seriously you are just being a bit ridiculous now.

Oh yes keeping your race alive by freeing a genocidal god who'll kill them asap. Great plan. If you think the Emperor being back is a good thing for the Eldar then you don't understand the lore at all.

Yes you keep saying they won't just travel around. But what do they do that makes them interesting as protagonists in a film? Fighting? Chatting? Quiet meditation? All those things are much better done in writing.

No I really didn't. That's why I mentioned it, I don't mind a typo at all but if I can't understand what you're saying then you need to clarify. But yes, it is ridiculous that after all the edits you do there are still mistakes like that.

It's entirely possible (although not plausible) that Eldrad (or Asurman) actually made a deal with Empy before the Heresy. I highly doubt it, but he is old enough. Very *very* few Eldar are that old, though.

Humans make the most interesting protaganists. Look at Watchmen. Night Owl was the main character. He is more or less how we experienced the world of Watchmen. He was relatively normal compared to the more compelling characters of that world, which made him an easier vantagepoint.

Or Mass Effect. Shepard was human. And I think that made the story connect with the audience so much better. Through him, we saw Turians and Quarians.

Similarly, the plot could involve Eldar. Their machinations could be everpresent. But having the frame of reference being human makes it easier to make the story resonate.

pm713 wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
the problem with harliquins getting a relic to wake up the emperor is 1: A movie where Eldar are the feature race proably is a bad idea (like it or not 40k centers around the Imperium, a 40k movie would be best served with an Imperium protagionist) 2: there's no way they can actually acheive it. (and we've SEEN the eldar make a beeline for the emperor before in war of the beast it ended in the Custodes slaughtering them)

They don't have to achieve it, the film could be them getting as close as they can, but this argument is based on that i think it could be cool, I already said it wouldn't work as people would thin aliens dressed as jesters would be weird, I was just commenting on a another post where someone said they'd like to see an eldar focused film, I'd rather see an imperial or chaos focus pm713 is trying just being arguing that it would be boring.

Why would it be cool? From an outside perspective it's weird space elves fighting to get a relic to to an Emperor. From an inside perspective it's Harlequins doing something colossally stupid and it would make no sense. Both require a lot of boring exposition in and it's just a bad idea from start to finish. Although I have no idea what that last sentence says I am sure you never admitted the film wouldn't work.

I said people who are not fans would not get aliens dressed as jesters, it would work as a film just for 40k fans. Harlequins do whatever keeps their race alive, their reasons for doing things have always been shrouded in mystery; they have, however, helped the Imperium many times, they have even helped Chaos. They helped CSM in primogenitor, as their goals also helped the harlequins mission, plus eldar have always known that the Imperium are important for their existence, as the Imperium is the main force that holds chaos back in the galaxy. I mean the eldar brought back Girlyman, If bringing the Emperor back would somehow help them, then they would do that. It would seem colossally stupid to someone that didn't know a lot about the lore A lot of boring expositions, yeah that's your opinion and its a short sighted one, again they aren't just going to be traveling around in the film, have a bit of imagination Last sentence had a typo but you still knew what it meant, seriously you are just being a bit ridiculous now.

Oh yes keeping your race alive by freeing a genocidal god who'll kill them asap. Great plan. If you think the Emperor being back is a good thing for the Eldar then you don't understand the lore at all.

Yes you keep saying they won't just travel around. But what do they do that makes them interesting as protagonists in a film? Fighting? Chatting? Quiet meditation? All those things are much better done in writing.

No I really didn't. That's why I mentioned it, I don't mind a typo at all but if I can't understand what you're saying then you need to clarify. But yes, it is ridiculous that after all the edits you do there are still mistakes like that.

The Harlequins have done similar things in the past, the Eldar woke up Guiliman and he was given the order to kill all xenos at sight, by the Emperor and yet they still woke him up.

"Yes you keep saying they won't just travel around. But what do they do that makes them interesting as protagonists in a film? Fighting? Chatting? Quiet meditation? All those things are much better done in writing." Well writers have written from the perspective of the Eldar many times, like in path of the Warrior so it would be similar to that. You are just being obtuse.

I edited it, but I forgot to take out word, wow that's never been heard of. If we are talking about grammar, ever heard of a comma.

Here play the comma game

"Oh yes keeping your race alive by freeing a genocidal god who'll kill them asap. Great plan. If you think the Emperor being back is a good thing for the Eldar then you don't understand the lore at all."

If you criticise someones grammar, you had better have perfect grammar, when doing so. I never correct peoples grammar because its social media, most people like myself type in a stream of consciousness and don't care that its perfect because its 'social media'. I edit, more to add extra points than to fix grammar. I don't care if its not grammatically perfect. You do, yet you can't even display perfect grammar yourself lol I'd just advise you to stop being a douche. You don't think the idea would be interesting, good leave it at that, its getting boring, you nipping at my heels.

There's a difference between a Primarch and the Emperor. Namely one has godlike power and the other doesn't.

You edited 4 times last I saw it. Most people make intelligible sentences on the first try.
You're acting like I criticised you for using the wrong your. I brought it up because I literally couldn't understand what you said and you seemed to be addressing directly.

Do you see the irony in you saying that? Considering you're absolutely awful in general on this forum and at least once you've gone on a rant about you're superior to everyone.

pm713 wrote:
There's a difference between a Primarch and the Emperor. Namely one has godlike power and the other doesn't.

You edited 4 times last I saw it. Most people make intelligible sentences on the first try.
You're acting like I criticised you for using the wrong your. I brought it up because I literally couldn't understand what you said and you seemed to be addressing directly.

Do you see the irony in you saying that? Considering you're absolutely awful in general on this forum and at least once you've gone on a rant about you're superior to everyone.

I edited it 4 times, that's great you noticed. You could understand what I said, as you even expressed what I said, so what is the point of saying "that doesn't even make any sense." its just petty. I always do awful on here yada yada yada. You're a complete moron, mate. so yeah I'm superior to you in every way. You're the one that keeps arguing with we, I couldn't care less about you lol. I don't need to prove I'm smarter than you by constantly arguing with you; you obviously do.

I still really like the inquisition idea. I think you could even do it like the show "true detective" where each season is a new inquisitor facing some new threat. It would allow you to slowly introduce an audience to the scope of the 40k universe, without trying to stuff it all in at once.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

pm713 wrote:
There's a difference between a Primarch and the Emperor. Namely one has godlike power and the other doesn't.

You edited 4 times last I saw it. Most people make intelligible sentences on the first try.
You're acting like I criticised you for using the wrong your. I brought it up because I literally couldn't understand what you said and you seemed to be addressing directly.

Do you see the irony in you saying that? Considering you're absolutely awful in general on this forum and at least once you've gone on a rant about you're superior to everyone.

I edited it 4 times, that's great you noticed. You could understand what I said, as you even expressed what I said, so what is the point of saying "that doesn't even make any sense." its just petty. I always do awful on here yada yada yada. You're a complete moron, mate. so yeah I'm superior to you in every way. You're the one that keeps arguing with we, I couldn't care less about you lol. I don't need to prove I'm smarter than you by constantly arguing with you; you obviously do.

No I saw that the last sentence started with my username and assumed it was directed at me which is different to me knowing what you said afterwards. Yes Delvarus you got me, I argue with you on Dakka to feel superior because you're SO smart.

pm713 wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

pm713 wrote:
There's a difference between a Primarch and the Emperor. Namely one has godlike power and the other doesn't.

You edited 4 times last I saw it. Most people make intelligible sentences on the first try.
You're acting like I criticised you for using the wrong your. I brought it up because I literally couldn't understand what you said and you seemed to be addressing directly.

Do you see the irony in you saying that? Considering you're absolutely awful in general on this forum and at least once you've gone on a rant about you're superior to everyone.

I edited it 4 times, that's great you noticed. You could understand what I said, as you even expressed what I said, so what is the point of saying "that doesn't even make any sense." its just petty. I always do awful on here yada yada yada. You're a complete moron, mate. so yeah I'm superior to you in every way. You're the one that keeps arguing with we, I couldn't care less about you lol. I don't need to prove I'm smarter than you by constantly arguing with you; you obviously do.

No I saw that the last sentence started with my username and assumed it was directed at me which is different to me knowing what you said afterwards. Yes Delvarus you got me, I argue with you on Dakka to feel superior because you're SO smart.

Its good you can recognise that, you'll grow from that realisation.

A ciaphis Cain styled netflix series.

 Crazyterran wrote:
A ciaphis Cain styled netflix series.

That would be amazing.

Just found this gem on youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhULhHCk_D8

Keep in mind that making a movie JUST for the fans would be a HORRIABLE idea. Because they've already got our money, A 40k movie would certainly have to appeal to the fans but it would ALSO have to serve as something of a "gateway drug" to 40k for new people. it would have to be accessable eneugh to push forward sales. thus it would need to be something understandable to people, and something that could propell sales. Thus obscure factions of aliens are a bad protagionist.
I definatly agree a netflix series is the way to go. oddly Ciaphas Cain is a good model for how to do it, he's interacted in some fashion or another with every major race in 40k.

BrianDavion wrote:
Keep in mind that making a movie JUST for the fans would be a HORRIABLE idea. Because they've already got our money, A 40k movie would certainly have to appeal to the fans but it would ALSO have to serve as something of a "gateway drug" to 40k for new people. it would have to be accessable eneugh to push forward sales. thus it would need to be something understandable to people, and something that could propell sales. Thus obscure factions of aliens are a bad protagionist.
I definatly agree a netflix series is the way to go. oddly Ciaphas Cain is a good model for how to do it, he's interacted in some fashion or another with every major race in 40k.

I know, I just mean that a Harlequin film would be cool, I wasn't advocating for it to be made. Did you see the fan-film above^ show that to a production company or a exec producer and it'd blow their socks off.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:


Just found this gem on youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhULhHCk_D8

Well, that pretty well demonstrates why a Space marine centric film would suck. I hope that the actual film is really about that woman carrying a baby, she instantly seemed way more interesting than any of these giant armoured lunks spouting cliches with their identical and comically overdone booming voices.

 Crimson wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:


Just found this gem on youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhULhHCk_D8

Well, that pretty well demonstrates why a Space marine centric film would suck. I hope that the actual film is really about that woman carrying a baby, she instantly seemed way more interesting than any of these giant armoured lunks spouting cliches with their identical and comically overdone booming voices.

Not saying it should be Astartes focused, we know that Astartes focus stories can be rich and well developed. The action of Astartes fighting, however is far more entertaining than a guardsman pointing a flashlight at the enemy.

I prefer ranged combat, myself, so all that twirly whirly bored me.

 Crimson wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:


Just found this gem on youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhULhHCk_D8

Well, that pretty well demonstrates why a Space marine centric film would suck. I hope that the actual film is really about that woman carrying a baby, she instantly seemed way more interesting than any of these giant armoured lunks spouting cliches with their identical and comically overdone booming voices.

To be fair they seemed like badly done Marines. A Marine centric film would be better if you fixed the moving, talking, script and added someone interesting. Like a Guard squad being escorted or something.

 Bobthehero wrote:
I prefer ranged combat, myself, so all that twirly whirly bored me.

I think you might be, being a bit disingenuous, I hate Tau for instance but I'd still love to see a 40k film if they focused on Tau.

 Bobthehero wrote:
I prefer ranged combat, myself, so all that twirly whirly bored me.

I think for 40k you want a mix of the two. That's a big part of the setting imo.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

 Bobthehero wrote:
I prefer ranged combat, myself, so all that twirly whirly bored me.

I think you might be, being a bit disingenuous, I hate Tau for instance but I'd still love to see a 40k film if they focused on Tau.

No, I am not, its not as bad as the DoW 1 intro, but its not really interesting to me.

 Bobthehero wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

 Bobthehero wrote:
I prefer ranged combat, myself, so all that twirly whirly bored me.

I think you might be, being a bit disingenuous, I hate Tau for instance but I'd still love to see a 40k film if they focused on Tau.

No, I am not, its not as bad as the DoW 1 intro, but its not really interesting to me.

Not even the shooting? That melta gun blast was pretty cool.

 Crimson wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:


Just found this gem on youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhULhHCk_D8

Well, that pretty well demonstrates why a Space marine centric film would suck. I hope that the actual film is really about that woman carrying a baby, she instantly seemed way more interesting than any of these giant armoured lunks spouting cliches with their identical and comically overdone booming voices.

oddly the woman carrying the baby might be the best thing TO focus on for a Heresy short. rather then focus on the Marines, focus on the people around the Marines as these demi-gods go to war, a bit like the transformer movies I suppose.