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Karol is referring to a very toxic political climate here in Poland nowadays, which can result in things getting out of hand quickly when in-game antipathies and bad dice rolls get someone over the edge. Basically, supporters of a political side that lost last elections are being permanently and deliberately heated up with intention to provoke overthrowing current government on the streets and this makes all sorts of interpersonal interactions here somewhat tricky.

 Blndmage wrote:

Karol wrote:
The difference today, comparing to the past, was that two people who are fans of enemy teams could play a game of w40k against each other, and not politics were coming up durning the game. Right now the possible reaction to playing someone you disagree with, is to hit them with a padlock. And what is worse, people expect to be called heros for doing that.

What!?
Where do you play 40k games that turn into beat downs with padlocks?

Yeah, Stegadons in socks are the preffered weapon of choice...

nou wrote:
Karol is referring to a very toxic political climate here in Poland nowadays, which can result in things getting out of hand quickly when in-game antipathies and bad dice rolls get someone over the edge. Basically, supporters of a political side that lost last elections are being permanently and deliberately heated up with intention to provoke overthrowing current government on the streets and this makes all sorts of interpersonal interactions here somewhat tricky.

I'm sorry to hear things are so rough.
My family does from there, but I have virtually no information about them.

 Blndmage wrote:

nou wrote:
Karol is referring to a very toxic political climate here in Poland nowadays, which can result in things getting out of hand quickly when in-game antipathies and bad dice rolls get someone over the edge. Basically, supporters of a political side that lost last elections are being permanently and deliberately heated up with intention to provoke overthrowing current government on the streets and this makes all sorts of interpersonal interactions here somewhat tricky.

I'm sorry to hear things are so rough.
My family does from there, but I have virtually no information about them.

It's nowhere near as rough as in Bangladesh, but one political side tries to push a narrative that it is exactly like it is there, or like it was here during '80 before comunism fell, or close to German occupation/WWII era... And because large groups fell for this narrative it is best to not talk politics with anyone whose attitude to politics you cannot trust to be reasonable. Family dinners/holidays are best conducted as "ceasefire time" or else it gets ugly.

End of offtopic

 Grimtuff wrote:

 Blndmage wrote:

Karol wrote:
The difference today, comparing to the past, was that two people who are fans of enemy teams could play a game of w40k against each other, and not politics were coming up durning the game. Right now the possible reaction to playing someone you disagree with, is to hit them with a padlock. And what is worse, people expect to be called heros for doing that.

What!?
Where do you play 40k games that turn into beat downs with padlocks?

Yeah, Stegadons in socks are the preffered weapon of choice...

I keep my 2E Blood Angels dreadnought in a sock handy - with banner pole, of course.

 Stormonu wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:

 Blndmage wrote:

Karol wrote:
The difference today, comparing to the past, was that two people who are fans of enemy teams could play a game of w40k against each other, and not politics were coming up durning the game. Right now the possible reaction to playing someone you disagree with, is to hit them with a padlock. And what is worse, people expect to be called heros for doing that.

What!?
Where do you play 40k games that turn into beat downs with padlocks?

Yeah, Stegadons in socks are the preffered weapon of choice...

I keep my 2E Blood Angels dreadnought in a sock handy - with banner pole, of course.

See this is what I don't get, not only are you damaging your own metal model while using it like a weapon, when you could just use a stone, but it is easy to trace to you.nUnless in us everyone owns BA dreads painted or unpainted the same way.

 Blndmage wrote:

Karol wrote:
The difference today, comparing to the past, was that two people who are fans of enemy teams could play a game of w40k against each other, and not politics were coming up durning the game. Right now the possible reaction to playing someone you disagree with, is to hit them with a padlock. And what is worse, people expect to be called heros for doing that.

What!?
Where do you play 40k games that turn into beat downs with padlocks?

The padlock thing is american. But we have something like the city of knifes here. In one of the biggest polish cities, ex capital, there are two hooligan gangs, they are the only two that did not "sign" the hooligan anti weapon packt in the early 90s. And with that cutting of hands, stabbging over being from the wrong district are very common. It also makes for very interesting w40k community, because you can't really go and play at the "enemy" store without risking to be at least beat up. think Crips and Bloods, but in a country where gun access is close to zero.

The same place where it's ok to smash an opponent's army so they have to forfeit

If he is too slow to move away to, and flips the table himself, it is him who smashs the army. Although am not saying that the person that did start it wasn't an a-hole. But he was our a hole, and our a holes get the pass to do anything to other people. If the dude tried to do it back home, it would be his last game of anything ever.

TIL Karol is living Necromunda

 SHUPPET wrote:
TIL Karol is living Necromunda

Close enough, he seems to live in Cracow.

 Khornate25 wrote:

1- A store employee telling some players girlfriends that w40k didn't attract girls because they just suck at wargaming.

If he was a jerk and didn't know them on a level to joke around, then this guy sucks a lot. But we have actually skilled female players and our joke is 'girls don't even play 40k! It's not allowed!' as a gag when they win or play well. Someone heard it and got concerned, brought it to the manager- who explained that it was our running gag with our friends, and not to be taken seriously and was never something we directed at people outside our circle of friends. Sometimes there's confusion.

 Khornate25 wrote:
2-A player yelling at his girlfriend to shut up until he finished his game.

Sounds like a jerk, but one of my exes was notoriously whiny and annoying if anything I was doing didn't directly involve her (and she had no desire to play the game, nor any desire to do something else on the one day a week I got to play, but demanded she accompany me). Granted, I didn't tell her 'shut up', I pulled her aside and away from people to let her know it was annoying. (In all fairness, her objective- by her own admission- was to pester me until I got annoyed enough to just quit playing and we could leave, because that'd worked before.) Good riddance to her, but this dude you mention sounds like a tool that needs to learn to deal with his relationship squabble privately or find a means to game without the girlfriend.

And don't get me wrong, in my experience a LOT of guys that show up the FLGS with their [non-player observer] girlfriend tend to be obnoxious tools for some reason, maybe to show off or something.

 Khornate25 wrote:
3-An opponent of mine who came to a match while unbathed.

You must be new to this hobby.

Not flaming you, but seriously- this is a huge problem. People start talking about wanting to do this and that to the gaming community to 'improve' it, but we can't even get literally the same dudes all the damned time to wash themselves, wash their clothes, brush their teeth, and cover their buttcracks and/or hairy bellies. No, really- until this is fixed I don't want to hear a damned word about 'changing the gaming community for the better', because it's like getting mauled by a chihuahua and claiming you can fist-fight a bear and win.

No, this has a special kind of salt in a wound for me- because I genuinely, discretely, and politely told a store employee that one of his customers smelled very unpleasant and unclean... the response was to eject ME from the store. Fortunately, it's a hair salon now.

 Khornate25 wrote:
5-A store owner telling me that I could only use stuff bought in his store (it is just me or are store owners douchebags ?).

If they're GW models, and the store sells GW produces... then the first thing you should do is send a polite letter to GW with the store's information, explaining the incident. Trust me. I've seen his crap before, and that one polite email will get that store owner a phone call.

Now, caveat to this: I've seen this done reasonably (yes, reasonably!) one time- and the person spent absolutely no money in the store. At all. Zero. He just showed up with a game from elsewhere, that the store didn't even sell, took up tables for hours, and did absolutely nothing to give the store owner the idea he should carry the game or support it. He just came, played with his group on a table for free, bringing in his outside food and drink, and left. The store owner explained that the tables were for 'customers' so the guy got buttmad and left, and never came back.

 Khornate25 wrote:
6-A duo of players laughing at a beginner who wanted to play T'au.

Back in 7th Edition, this would be called 'making sure the beginner actually has friends after a year'. Now, it's just kind of a jerk move. But granted, there's a bit of ribbing with all of us and our armies. I find it hilarious that people keep painting their Black Templars stupid colors like blue, yellow, dark green... I'm not sure what this garbage is, and all these people say 'other chapters of Space Marines' but that's not even real, like that dumb "Indiana Jones 4" that DOES NOT EXIST STFU ABOUT IT OKAY

 Khornate25 wrote:
7-My unbathed opponent telling me I should never play T'au because of North Korea and that I was a fool if I believed in climate change (while he was enlightened because he was a catholic).

See, I love these people. They're a source of hilarity. Even I, as someone folks would consider a 'right winger', love ridiculing these types. I like keeping them around, because it's a constant reminder of what happens when you drink too much of a political Kool-Aid.

But no, really- "No political, religious, or ideological discussions, debates, or arguments allowed in this store. If you can't talk about the gaming, and something everyone can enjoy- then leave or don't talk at all and let the dice speak." This is the ver batim sign my friend made for his private gaming club's game room. It should be hung above literally every table, every threshold, every single visible area in every FLGS on the planet.

 Khornate25 wrote:
8- A player complaining about the afro space marines of his opponent.

Complaining, or criticizing? It does look silly. Funny, but silly. Maybe he had no sense of humor?

 Khornate25 wrote:
Most ''veterans" of the hobby in my area seem to be a bunch of jerks that have poor relationship skills (and hygiene), which scare off young newcomers (and that's without their obsession with WAAC).

I'll argue with you here. Most 'veterans of the game' are the best players that know having a good time at the table is more important than winning. In my personal experience, the most scummy players out there are the generation of kids that spent the last decade or so screeching slurs and obscenities into an XBox headset or screaming for their mom to renew their WoW account. And for some reason, we decided that gaming needed to be 'inclusive' but we don't know what that even means. People will get booted out of their local gaming community for a damned Trump bumper sticker, but we turn into quivering little wimps when we need to tell someone they stink like a hot gym sock on sweaty balls or that they're being an obnoxious brat at the table. God forbid we hurt someone's feelings because they don't know how to buy two dollar bar of soap but they grabbed 3 knights off the shelf the week before. Oh, no, we can't just tell some overcompensating WAAC tool to take his models and let the new guys learn the game without pounding them into dust. Nope, that'd take having guts, and let's face it- a LOT of gamers are absolutely gutless.

 Khornate25 wrote:
These day I mostly play with people that I know aren't jerks or WAAC, which is mostly newcomers that either play with other newcomers or me.

Newbies are usually impressionable, if they're young. They'll adopt the attitudes of the people who get to them first. WAAC jerks will ALWAYS zero in on the FNG. Why? It's easy to beat him, and he can write it off as 'teaching you the game'. Which really, when you think about it, is like me saying "I'm going to teach you how to play football" and then having six NFL Linebackers run you over repeatedly. It doesn't do anything but make them hyper aggressive, spend more money than they should, and fail to learn some of the more simple and basic aspects of an army (those last two are REALLY important). And worst of all- a lot of these new guys that end up making first contact with the WAAC Jerks and Slimeballs of all sorts? Well, they're usually the new guys that get one 'Start Collecting' box and end up selling it for $40.00 a month later and never look back. Some even become worse and *gasp* go play Magic cards. *Shudder*

So find the OLDER players that are actually good people. They exist, but if they don't? I'll tell you what happend... the WAAC guys and stinky people and other obnoxious idiots ran them off. Because really, the greatest thing I ever did was put up an ad for a private gaming club in my city. In the first month alone, we had more applicants than the three FLGS stores had players on Saturdays. And nearly every single one that we accepted- we accepted on specific criteria to avoid the problems from the FLGS. And every single one of these guys was a veteran player that got disgusted with the local metas and just quit years ago, but held on to their stuff and re-invested in the game to play somewhere clean, chill, and friendly.

Also we have beer. That helps.

But if you got this far, one thing to keep in mind: In all my years the 'worst' 40k players I've met, that behave in similar manner to the ones you've described? Eh... I hate to contradict my own statements, but a lot of these guys have actual legitimate mental problems, to some degree or another... and most of us just aren't aware of it, maybe even the player isn't aware of it and hasn't had it treated- or the worst case is when they ARE aware, and no one's pulled them aside and told them to cool it because it doesn't give you a blank check to be an obnoxious moron.

w1zard wrote:

 Khornate25 wrote:

w1zard wrote:


8. Afro space marines sounds really cool actually. Was it like 80's disco afros on space marines? lol... If so, that is awesome.

Just black skinned sm.

That's just racism then. I wouldn't have a single issue with an entire chapter of dark skinned space marines. Hell, that's basically the Salamanders right there. Anyone who starts causing crap over the skin color of someone else's miniatures (whether they be all white or all black or all asian) is not worth wasting your time on. I would never play with that person again.

Unfortunately racism is not unique to 40k either.

Someone told me that my black-skinned Sisters couldn't work because "Sisters have to be pure" .
Thanksfully it's pretty rare, most people dgaf.

Karol wrote:
man US is such a stranger country where owning guns or building your own cars is considered an avarge joes hobbies.

Sure is.

Karol wrote:
Who should we be listening to then?

Well HBomberGuy is pretty entertaining.

 Formosa wrote:
Jordan Peterson however is an extremely intelligent thoughtful man who is very careful with his speech

You mean Pr Word Salad?
I had one of his fan try to show me how he was a genius taken out of context. The fan posted this :
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdtTYiCUwAIC7An.jpg
"Hey let's jump from casual sex to divorce courts without mentioning any logical link between those and feth logic and making sense" .



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 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

 Khornate25 wrote:
8- A player complaining about the afro space marines of his opponent.

Complaining, or criticizing? It does look silly. Funny, but silly. Maybe he had no sense of humor?

I think you missed that part of context from later in the thread:

 Khornate25 wrote:

w1zard wrote:


8. Afro space marines sounds really cool actually. Was it like 80's disco afros on space marines? lol... If so, that is awesome.

Just black skinned sm.

Please, I beg of you fellas- let's not go TOO political with this, okay?

We get it. Your ideology is better. Whichever one it is. Your Youtube man is better than my Youtube man. Your ideas, despite you never holding any political office and probably having a D- in Economics, History, and Civics class- are all the perfect solution to complex problems in today's society, despite you also never having ever lived in a vasty different social landscape than the one you grew up in.

I'm not talking to anyone directly, I'm just coming back from a short hiatus and I'm not really feeling the pissing contest about politics on a forum where generally every one of us can find common ground and put the pettiness aside and focus on hating something important.

Like WAAC players, stores that don't deal with stinky players, and individuals who think there's a 4th Indiana Jones movie.

Yeah, I'm changing my approach to discussions here, I think.

But it still means you're wrong.

Wheaton's law is don't be a dick.

At my LFGS if your yelling at women, your going out the door. If your hitting women, your getting the chair and then out the door. And possibly hog tied on the sidewalk till the local constabulary arrives.

If you smell, your getting told to go shower.

If you go on tilt, you take a few minutes to get your emotions under control and you buy your opponent a drink.

If your showing up with a legal army, and winning, your doing what is right, but its not going to last. people around here aren't that dumb. Its not like building an Anti horde force, or anti Knight force is hard.

Maybe some of your older gamers could step up and show some example to these kids.

Reemule wrote:
Wheaton's law is don't be a dick.

SHUT UP WESLEY. I'm no fan of Will, but it's a simple statement. Long before him, we had a dude that may or may not have existed and been nailed to a cross, and he kinda said "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you". And it was in the RED WORDS, so you know it was important. Whether you believe or not (and I'm an atheist), living by that code is solid advice.

"Dont' start no s**t, won't be no s**t" works as well. And my father, bless the man's soul, he always taught me "Be polite and friendly to everyone you meet, look them in the eye and smile- treat them with courtesy... but always have your heels dug in."

Reemule wrote:
At my LFGS if your yelling at women, your going out the door. If your hitting women, your getting the chair and then out the door. And possibly hog tied on the sidewalk till the local constabulary arrives.

I'm pretty sure if some douchebag hit a woman at any of the places I play...

...well, if the woman didn't knock his teeth out, he'd probably be located in a dumpster somewhere. Or several, depending on the circumstances. Sorry, I don't care who you are- you don't abuse people, and abusing your significant other (regardless of their gender or your own) is a vile thing because that should be your closest ally and you're betraying that loyalty, love, and friendship.

Reemule wrote:
If you smell, your getting told to go shower.

Fortunately- and I mean, this baffles me it's so great- the stores where I'm from have had too many complaints about a few small groups of nasties, and have told them flat out: "You get one warning to go home and fix your hygiene. If we have to tell you again, you are permanently banned". Added bonuses: Banned from one, banned from all. Store owners talk. And tournament organizers that hold their events outside the stores are supporting the ban list.

Reemule wrote:
If you smell, your getting told to go shower.

If your showing up with a legal army, and winning, your doing what is right, but its not going to last. people around here aren't that dumb. Its not like building an Anti horde force, or anti Knight force is hard.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
on a forum where generally every one of us can find common ground and put the pettiness aside and focus on hating something important.

Like WAAC players, stores that don't deal with stinky players, and individuals who think there's a 4th Indiana Jones movie.

I think FLGS should be the one last haven for people who smell and can't go around anywhere else, but I agree, there are only 3 Indiana Jones movies:
- Raiders of the Lost Ark
- Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom
- Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull
.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
Like WAAC players, stores that don't deal with stinky players, and individuals who think there's a 4th Indiana Jones movie.

Yeah, I too would like to forget that 'The Temple of Doom' ever existed.

Holy wars will be fought over whether Last Crusade, Temple of Doom or Lost Ark is the bad Indiana Jones that must be purged from history .
Great minds etc.

 Grimtuff wrote:

 Blndmage wrote:

Karol wrote:
The difference today, comparing to the past, was that two people who are fans of enemy teams could play a game of w40k against each other, and not politics were coming up durning the game. Right now the possible reaction to playing someone you disagree with, is to hit them with a padlock. And what is worse, people expect to be called heros for doing that.

What!?
Where do you play 40k games that turn into beat downs with padlocks?

Yeah, Stegadons in socks are the preffered weapon of choice...

The old pewter stegadon is my home defense weapon of choice!

Won't the spike bend?

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

I think FLGS should be the one last haven for people who smell and can't go around anywhere else, but I agree, there are only 3 Indiana Jones movies:
- Raiders of the Lost Ark
- Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom
- Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull
.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Holy wars will be fought over whether Last Crusade, Temple of Doom or Lost Ark is the bad Indiana Jones that must be purged from history .
Great minds etc.

I want you both to know, and I mean this in the nicest way possible.

If I lived near you I would poop in your water sources.

Because of this.

You vile monsters.

May whatever gods exist cast you into the blackest part of some kind of hell, with every copy of that NONEXISTENT MOVIE SHUT UP ABOUT IT

You know what?

I hope you guys find un-altered versions of the classic Star Wars trilogy and your dog chews it up.

The dog you love.

So you can't even be really mad at him about it.

Take that.

I'm actually crying.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
You know what?

I hope you guys find un-altered versions of the classic Star Wars trilogy and your dog chews it up.

Original trilogy?
Do you mean The Phantom Menace, Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith?
The bestest Star Wars!!! But I didn't know they were altered.


(Fun fact: the movie I would rank #1 among my favorite is the second installment of a series, but I've never watched any other installment of the series, and based on what I heard on the first installment, I don't feel very inclined to . Will you guess the series?)

My dogs chewing the original Star Wars trilogy VHS could happen. I have the Temple of Doom on VHS somewhere, but the dogs won't even touch it, they have way too good taste for that.

Thinking that Crystal Skulls is somehow super gak compared to the older Indy movies is a massive case of rose-tinted glasses. Sure, it is not amazing, but it is decent, and definitely leagues better than the Temple of Doom.

 Blndmage wrote:


So then, your saying that roughly half the people in the world are "weirdos, creeps, perverts, or have some other malfunction that makes you wish you weren't required to interact with them", yes?

If you could clarify your definitions, that'd be very helpful.

Yes.

 Crimson wrote:
Thinking that Crystal Skulls is somehow super gak compared to the older Indy movies is a massive case of rose-tinted glasses. Sure, it is not amazing, but it is decent, and definitely leagues better than the Temple of Doom.

Everything you said here is basically Kali-Ma to my heart.

 Crimson wrote:
My dogs chewing the original Star Wars trilogy VHS could happen. I have the Temple of Doom on VHS somewhere, but the dogs won't even touch it, they have way too good taste for that.

Thinking that Crystal Skulls is somehow super gak compared to the older Indy movies is a massive case of rose-tinted glasses. Sure, it is not amazing, but it is decent, and definitely leagues better than the Temple of Doom.

Ahah you were serious? I was just kidding with Adeptus Doritos! I actually have only watched Crystal Skull I don't know if the other Indiana Jones movies are good .

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

Ahah you were serious? I was just kidding with Adeptus Doritos! I actually have only watched Crystal Skull I don't know if the other Indiana Jones movies are good .

Well the two that aren't the Temple of Doom are good!

I'll watch them given the occasion. Also Robocop, I should definitely watch Robocop.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Also Robocop, I should definitely watch Robocop.

Yes you should. (The original one.)

1- A store employee telling some players girlfriends that w40k didn't attract girls because they just suck at wargaming.

Never Seen this in the GW stores I've been to, the staff have always been nice and friendly.

2-A player yelling at his girlfriend to shut up until he finished his game.

Sounds like a typical arse or a annoying partner

3-An opponent of mine who came to a match while unbathed.

The store I go to has a message next to the painting tables about personal hygiene among other stuff, like no coke cans for killer cans or dreadnoughts, but the only thing like this I've encountered asides from looks of beards is a female that was the typical gamer stereotype, greasy hair, unwashed, dirty clothes.

4-A store owner telling a new player (teenager) how his painting skills were lame.

If this is aimed at the GW stores then I think its a lie, never seen any member of staff say that, they always offer help and advice, because being like that is very likely to make them loose customers.

5-A store owner telling me that I could only use stuff bought in his store (it is just me or are store owners douchebags ?).

All GW stores only allow you to use GW stuff in there stores, its up to the staff if they allow the small third party parts or forge world models.

6-A duo of players laughing at a beginner who wanted to play T'au.

I had both a friend who played and a staff member telling me when I wanted to start in 7th with a wraithhost army that I should prepare to have no friends and both in a joking manner and explanation.

7-My unbathed opponent telling me I should never play T'au because of North Korea and that I was a fool if I believed in climate change (while he was enlightened because he was a catholic).

Sounds like a lie or a really crazy dude.

8- A player complaining about the afro space marines of his opponent.

sounds like a raciest guy, only time I've had someone complain to be was my snake ladys in aos because the guy had a fear of snakes


Seems to me this is just a SJW post or what not as it really is just all the typical stereotypes of the table top gamer thrown up, sure there can be bad people but that's in everything, these always that arsehole somewhere and these always that smelly person somewhere and these always someone that just complains all the time somewhere, not just in warhammer.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
Thinking that Crystal Skulls is somehow super gak compared to the older Indy movies is a massive case of rose-tinted glasses. Sure, it is not amazing, but it is decent, and definitely leagues better than the Temple of Doom.

Everything you said here is basically Kali-Ma to my heart.

Two days before seeing Crystal Skull my wife informed me that she hadn't seen any of the movies, so we marathoned them the day before. My impression was definitely that Crystal Skull is NOT the worst film of the 4.


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On the subject of the "kinda weird crowd", I often wonder if the longevity of the game is why this feels a little more prevalent than it does in some other systems. Nerd culture hasn't always been as accepted in the mainstream as it is now, and particularly in the 90's, table top gaming was often a niche where people who felt socially marginalized could run the show. At the time, I remember there being a lot of groups where the lack of social grace was a draw for those that lacked them. I feel like games that have continued from this era are a little more prone to this kind of stuff, though in truth, anything significantly popular can build up a pretty toxic crowd over time.

Yep. Some of the worst people I've met in person or online are solely 40k players who act as if you should worship them as devine beings. While themselves accepting of low standards and having no self pride.

Thankfully I don't need to talk to them in person anymore and the games I concentrate on have human beings that play them that actually give a gak.