40k players : a kinda weird crowd.

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**Karol**

Elbows wrote:
Wargaming is time-intensive, but generally quite cheap compared to many other product-based hobbies. Is it cheap for a high school kid? No. Cheap for a person coming out of college with debt in a starting career? No. But, compare it to building cars, firearms, golf, etc...and it's laughably inexpensive.

Is it more expensive than jogging, or hiking? Sure.

Because it's a hobby you have little to no say in who joins the "community". What you can do is choose who you wish to spend time with. Our local community is perhaps 40-50 active members. I hang out, and game with about ten of them, having learned that the other 30+ are people I'm fine not spending time with. I'm not desperate to game and needing to go find pick-up games, etc. The repeated complaints you see on sites like this normally boil down to people insisting on playing strangers, or being unwilling to confront donkey-caves in their small gaming circle. That's just lack of proper communication, and a willingness to bring up and uncomfortable subject. It happens.

It's a strong reason why garage-hammer is so prevalent in our local group. We could go bump elbows at a small local gaming store, surrounded by loud MTG players, or we can chill out in someone's living room - enjoy dinner, and some beer and play on our own tables. The decision is pretty easy.

man US is such a stranger country where owning guns or building your own cars is considered an avarge joes hobbies. At least no one mentioned their high seas yachts collections, or something like that.

GW games players tend to be stranger the those of other games though. I don't know why though. Maybe it is the cost of the army, and big the differences between power levels of different factions are. Maybe it is the normal people vs the fluff players waging war. Other games don't seem to have such problems, but maybe I am wrong.
At least GW games players seem to have it better then MtG, that started to some strange policy things the last 2-3 years, and brought some really odd people in to the game, while driving away a lot of the core players.

Stop listening to Jordan Peterson or Ben Shapiro. You'll never learn hoe to produce a logical argument with them. Simply strawmen and accusation of strawmen

Who should we be listening to then? Not saying I get all the right wing policy thinkers in the west, but the biggest gun nuts from alabam seem to make more sense, then people claiming there is gazilion of genders, and no difference between males and females, which are sociohistorical constructs anyway.

**Formosa**

Khornate25 wrote:
w1zard wrote:

8. Afro space marines sounds really cool actually. Was it like 80's disco afros on space marines? lol... If so, that is awesome.

Just black skinned sm.

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darkcloak wrote:
The "jerk40k article"...

Let's fight about this for years. I for one feel the OP is wrong and that all 40kers are upright, bathing members of society who are the pinnacle of social graces! But of course, anyone who disagrees with the OP will be wrong and part of the problem. I am a dirty jerkist who openly supports poor hygiene. At least that's what the OP will say instead of attacking my argument...

You produced no argumemt. Simply a statement.

Stop listening to Jordan Peterson or Ben Shapiro. You'll never learn hoe to produce a logical argument with them. Simply strawmen and accusation of strawmen

Ben Shapiro... urgh what a total ... sure he has made some good points but by god he is unbearable.

Jordan Peterson however is an extremely intelligent thoughtful man who is very careful with his speech, he is constantly and probably lied about by the mainstream media and still somehow manages to rise above it, anyone that thinks he cannot produce a logical argument simply lacks the adequate language skills to understand him, all he does is make logical arguments, I watched a CBS Canada interview with him today and then watched the full interview... I have never seen such a clear cut case of media bias and lies designed to discredit a person ever, it was sad to watch.

Not to derail though, I may make an off topic discussion about this.

On topic: 40k is popular, it attracts a massive crowd and as such you will encounter more of the socially awkward people, MTG is exactly the same, but it doesn’t represent the vast majority of players.

**Blastaar**

Deadnight wrote:
Blastaar wrote:
40k may not be "expensive" per se, but the model kits, rulebooks and to an extent the paints (stupid pots) are pretty lousy value. 40k is expensive for what you receive in return for the money that represents your time and effort.

I disagree. Value is what you make of it. In terms of time+effort/money, you get out what you put in. I am building up a primaris dark angels force, and a death guard warband. Probably for kill team, and maybe small 500-1000point games (specific format name eludes me, but it's essentially warmachine/hordes scale - dudes and walkers. Biggest thing in the format is a dreadnought). You need to stop thinking about it purely in terms of the amount of plastic you get.

Now my dark imperium box set took me about two months to work through. And that is probably with 4-6 hours per model. I am going all out on modelling, and painting them. I spend some of a recent bonus on intercessors, plague marines and reivers. Again, for the cash investment, the value/enjoyment I am getting out of it is immense when I factor in how much time and enjoyment I am getting, just out of building and painting them. In term of gaming, they'll last me the rest of my life.

That's value.

Now I take the wife out to dinner. I can pay £70 -£100 for two decent-to-good steaks, and a few beers. Now, in terms of 'value', is that 300g to 400g bit of meat worth £50? I mean, I can get a meal and cook it and home for the barest fraction of that, if I want. But still, a good steak is worth every penny, even if at the end of the day all it accomplishes is coming out the other end the next day.

We can spend £20-£30 on having a few beers on a Fridays or Saturday night. If you define 'value' by the fact that all we get is multiple trips to the bathroom, and a sore head the next day, it's rubbish. I guarantee you we'll make a good night of it though.

'Value' is what you make of it.

I don't really consider modeling and painting to be part of what I'm paying for when I buy a model kit. I enjoy doing those things, but for me they are usually a means to an end of playing games with those models. I do, to a point, see the kit's usefulness in-game as part of its value. Not how likely I can win with it, but how much I can do things with it, and on that 40k fails because most things have very little impact or in-game use individually. Adding one infantry squad to your army enhances gameplay very little, you need to add two and so on. Whereas with a game like Malifaux, for example, a single purchase can be a useful addition to your crew.

With GW you don't get out what you put in- $900+ on one army, hours and hours of modeling and painting (not everyone paints swiftly) and once you get them on the table, you're rewarded for your investment of time and effort with a shallow gameplay experience. A bit OT maybe, but still. For a game that costs so much, in money, time, and effort the payoff simply isn't there. Per the thread title it is "kinda weird" that GW is held to a different, oftentimes lower standard by players than other companies.

**Peregrine**

Formosa wrote:
Jordan Peterson however is an extremely intelligent thoughtful man who is very careful with his speech, he is constantly and probably lied about by the mainstream media and still somehow manages to rise above it, anyone that thinks he cannot produce a logical argument simply lacks the adequate language skills to understand him, all he does is make logical arguments, I watched a CBS Canada interview with him today and then watched the full interview... I have never seen such a clear cut case of media bias and lies designed to discredit a person ever, it was sad to watch.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA. No. Jordan Peterson is a fraud and a liar and it's amazing that anyone listens to him. Just look at his nonsense about lobsters, or even the original pronoun debacle that first got him attention. He may present a superficial appearance of competence, but underneath it is just garbage.

**SHUPPET**

darkcloak wrote:
Khornate25 wrote:
w1zard wrote:

8. Afro space marines sounds really cool actually. Was it like 80's disco afros on space marines? lol... If so, that is awesome.

Just black skinned sm.

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darkcloak wrote:
The "jerk40k article"...

Let's fight about this for years. I for one feel the OP is wrong and that all 40kers are upright, bathing members of society who are the pinnacle of social graces! But of course, anyone who disagrees with the OP will be wrong and part of the problem. I am a dirty jerkist who openly supports poor hygiene. At least that's what the OP will say instead of attacking my argument...

You produced no argumemt. Simply a statement.

Stop listening to Jordan Peterson or Ben Shapiro. You'll never learn hoe to produce a logical argument with them. Simply strawmen and accusation of strawmen

That was... a joke. If those people you mentioned are celebrities of some sort I have no idea who they are. Ben Shapiro? Isn't he an accidental injury lawyer? Had something to do with a hammer? Anyways, anyone who thinks 40kers are stinky is... probably right. We do smell bad.

the irony of accusing someone of shaping their arguments with the help of two people who had nothing to do with your post, then in the next breath talking about strawmen arguments.

**Wolf_in_Human_Shape**

Peregrine wrote:
Formosa wrote:
Jordan Peterson however is an extremely intelligent thoughtful man who is very careful with his speech, he is constantly and probably lied about by the mainstream media and still somehow manages to rise above it, anyone that thinks he cannot produce a logical argument simply lacks the adequate language skills to understand him, all he does is make logical arguments, I watched a CBS Canada interview with him today and then watched the full interview... I have never seen such a clear cut case of media bias and lies designed to discredit a person ever, it was sad to watch.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA. No. Jordan Peterson is a fraud and a liar and it's amazing that anyone listens to him. Just look at his nonsense about lobsters, or even the original pronoun debacle that first got him attention. He may present a superficial appearance of competence, but underneath it is just garbage.

How funny, coming from you.

**Galas**

Peregrine wrote:
Formosa wrote:
Jordan Peterson however is an extremely intelligent thoughtful man who is very careful with his speech, he is constantly and probably lied about by the mainstream media and still somehow manages to rise above it, anyone that thinks he cannot produce a logical argument simply lacks the adequate language skills to understand him, all he does is make logical arguments, I watched a CBS Canada interview with him today and then watched the full interview... I have never seen such a clear cut case of media bias and lies designed to discredit a person ever, it was sad to watch.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA. No. Jordan Peterson is a fraud and a liar and it's amazing that anyone listens to him. Just look at his nonsense about lobsters, or even the original pronoun debacle that first got him attention. He may present a superficial appearance of competence, but underneath it is just garbage.

Yeah I have no horse in this race but after reading his book and watching some of his "classes" ... he gets a big "Meh". I give him a 5,5/10.

Antonio García Trevijano. Thats one man (Sadly he passed away the past year) one should realy listen too, if you can find videos/podcasts of him with english subtitles. His talks are mostly about the political situation in Spain (He was afterall the leader of the platform for the democratization of Spain during the "transition" after Franco's death), but he touches other themes like USA politics, Death Penalty, etc...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Garc%C3%ADa-Trevijano

Antonio García-Trevijano Forte (18 July 1927 – 28 February 2018) was a Spanish republican, a political activist, and an author. He was born in Granada, noted for his activism against the Franco dictatorship. He was referred to by the University Press of America as "a leading figure in Spanish politics since the late 1960s and probably one of the most important intellectuals of the 20th century in political and aesthetic theory"

But I'll stop with the offtopic. I just wanted to give attention to this great man, because he should have had it, but sadly was negated the merits he deserves for political reasons, and passed away with really not many people noticing it.

**ErkyTimbers**

I used to be really into 40k/LOTR and spend most of my time at a GW and gaming clubs back when I was a teenager in the early 2000s. I got back into the hobby last year, and I have to say the crowd seems to have changed a lot in that time.
Back in 2004 there seemed to be a lot of the stereotypical nerd crowd who matched up with OPs encounters (and worse), but now it seems to be a wider spectrum of people in the hobby. There's still the occasional guy you do don't want to be around for hygiene or personality reasons, but it's mostly nice, normal people.
Back in the day I feel like you could see (or smell) a 40k player coming, now it could be anyone!

Normies get out! Nah, but it's a good thing.

**Formosa**

Peregrine wrote:
Formosa wrote:
Jordan Peterson however is an extremely intelligent thoughtful man who is very careful with his speech, he is constantly and probably lied about by the mainstream media and still somehow manages to rise above it, anyone that thinks he cannot produce a logical argument simply lacks the adequate language skills to understand him, all he does is make logical arguments, I watched a CBS Canada interview with him today and then watched the full interview... I have never seen such a clear cut case of media bias and lies designed to discredit a person ever, it was sad to watch.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA. No. Jordan Peterson is a fraud and a liar and it's amazing that anyone listens to him. Just look at his nonsense about lobsters, or even the original pronoun debacle that first got him attention. He may present a superficial appearance of competence, but underneath it is just garbage.

In all fairness Peregrine you are pretty biased when it comes to this kind of thing, you may not like the guy, and thats totally fine, not everyone does, but he is not a fraud, he is not a liar, and every time I have seen this character assassination come up, not a single person has been able to point to an actual lie or prove he is a fraud, they just bring up the usual tired old "he is alt right" (provably wrong), he is racist, sexist etc. as if that is the be all and end all.

I will go open up a post in off topic though so we can discuss this as this is not the place for it.

**w1zard**

Peregrine wrote:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA. No. Jordan Peterson is a fraud and a liar and it's amazing that anyone listens to him. Just look at his nonsense about lobsters, or even the original pronoun debacle that first got him attention. He may present a superficial appearance of competence, but underneath it is just garbage.

I never heard of him before this, but I looked him up. Dude has a PHD in clinical psychology and taught at Harvard. His papers and lectures have been well regarded and it appears he has a very good academic reputation.

I may disagree with the opinion of someone like that, but I would very much think carefully before claiming that what they have to say is "garbage". I am a California Liberal btw, which is about as "left" as you can get in the U.S without joining fringe groups full of crazies.

**nou**

Formosa wrote:
Peregrine wrote:
Formosa wrote:
Jordan Peterson however is an extremely intelligent thoughtful man who is very careful with his speech, he is constantly and probably lied about by the mainstream media and still somehow manages to rise above it, anyone that thinks he cannot produce a logical argument simply lacks the adequate language skills to understand him, all he does is make logical arguments, I watched a CBS Canada interview with him today and then watched the full interview... I have never seen such a clear cut case of media bias and lies designed to discredit a person ever, it was sad to watch.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA. No. Jordan Peterson is a fraud and a liar and it's amazing that anyone listens to him. Just look at his nonsense about lobsters, or even the original pronoun debacle that first got him attention. He may present a superficial appearance of competence, but underneath it is just garbage.

In all fairness Peregrine you are pretty biased when it comes to this kind of thing, you may not like the guy, and thats totally fine, not everyone does, but he is not a fraud, he is not a liar, and every time I have seen this character assassination come up, not a single person has been able to point to an actual lie or prove he is a fraud, they just bring up the usual tired old "he is alt right" (provably wrong), he is racist, sexist etc. as if that is the be all and end all.

I will go open up a post in off topic though so we can discuss this as this is not the place for it.

After the initial post by Khornate mentioning Peterson I was about to make such thread myself, so please do make one.

**Formosa**

nou wrote:
Formosa wrote:
Peregrine wrote:
Formosa wrote:
Jordan Peterson however is an extremely intelligent thoughtful man who is very careful with his speech, he is constantly and probably lied about by the mainstream media and still somehow manages to rise above it, anyone that thinks he cannot produce a logical argument simply lacks the adequate language skills to understand him, all he does is make logical arguments, I watched a CBS Canada interview with him today and then watched the full interview... I have never seen such a clear cut case of media bias and lies designed to discredit a person ever, it was sad to watch.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA. No. Jordan Peterson is a fraud and a liar and it's amazing that anyone listens to him. Just look at his nonsense about lobsters, or even the original pronoun debacle that first got him attention. He may present a superficial appearance of competence, but underneath it is just garbage.

In all fairness Peregrine you are pretty biased when it comes to this kind of thing, you may not like the guy, and thats totally fine, not everyone does, but he is not a fraud, he is not a liar, and every time I have seen this character assassination come up, not a single person has been able to point to an actual lie or prove he is a fraud, they just bring up the usual tired old "he is alt right" (provably wrong), he is racist, sexist etc. as if that is the be all and end all.

I will go open up a post in off topic though so we can discuss this as this is not the place for it.

After the initial post by Khornate mentioning Peterson I was about to make such thread myself, so please do make one.

So as not to derail this thread

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/761634.page

**Delvarus Centurion**

Khornate25 wrote:
Hi people.
Not sure if this is the right spot or if it should go on the off-topic forum (feel free to move the thread if need be).

So this is something that came up to my mind while I was introducing a friend to W40k and beginning to pop Buproprion.

I started playing 40k in 2010 (was 20 back then). Since then I've met several players and played several games.

There were some times I've mumbled that 40k was the worst game ever and other times I've felt it was the greatest invention of the human mind. Something, on the other hand, stayed the same over the years : I seriously despise a big part of the players I've met. Not just the WAAC, but even the regular ones.
It is just me or are some W40k players just total jerks ? Here are some examples of behaviours I've witnessed that are not related to WAAC (mostly in the Grand Montreal Area but also in Gatineau) :

1- A store employee telling some players girlfriends that w40k didn't attract girls because they just suck at wargaming.

2-A player yelling at his girlfriend to shut up until he finished his game.

3-An opponent of mine who came to a match while unbathed.

4-A store owner telling a new player (teenager) how his painting skills were lame.

5-A store owner telling me that I could only use stuff bought in his store (it is just me or are store owners douchebags ?).

6-A duo of players laughing at a beginner who wanted to play T'au.

7-My unbathed opponent telling me I should never play T'au because of North Korea and that I was a fool if I believed in climate change (while he was enlightened because he was a catholic).

8- A player complaining about the afro space marines of his opponent.

I could go on and on, especially after 8 years, but to sum it up :

Most ''veterans" of the hobby in my area seem to be a bunch of jerks that have poor relationship skills (and hygiene), which scare off young newcomers (and that's without their obsession with WAAC).

These day I mostly play with people that I know aren't jerks or WAAC, which is mostly newcomers that either play with other newcomers or me.

So, are older w40k players more inclined to being jerks ?

Reading the first two, just sounds like virtue signalling. I really doubt a store owner said that. Your whole list sounds made up, I've been playing since 1994 and haven't seen that much you've listed especially not with store owners, they have a living to make I doubt any store owner would say that gak. The only problem I've had are the know-it-alls of list building, who can't keep anything to themselves even if you tell them you are just playing a fun list and they smellies.

**RatBot**

There are a lot of weirdos in nerd hobbies and a lot of people in these hobbies suffer from serious issues related to social propriety. It's not just 40K, they exist everywhere.

Nearly everyone I've met while gaming has been a functional person who can behave themselves properly, I think, and both my FLGS owners are actually good at their jobs (personable, understanding, willing to go the extra mile for customers, welcoming, etc...) so I'm pretty lucky, I guess.

EDIT: I will note that the local 40K players tend to be a little more... eccentric than other game groups, but they're not bad people at all; they're polite, groomed, etc

**Peregrine**

Delvarus Centurion wrote:
especially not with store owners, they have a living to make I doubt any store owner would say that gak

To be fair, quite a few store owners are less business experts and more random gamers who managed to con a bank into giving them a business loan to subsidize their gaming hobby. There's a reason the average life expectancy of a game store is somewhere around the average time required for the loan money to run out. I can absolutely imagine that kind of game store owner saying customer-losing things that would horrify a competent store owner in any other market.

**SHUPPET**

Peregrine wrote:
Delvarus Centurion wrote:
especially not with store owners, they have a living to make I doubt any store owner would say that gak

To be fair, quite a few store owners are less business experts and more random gamers who managed to con a bank into giving them a business loan to subsidize their gaming hobby. There's a reason the average life expectancy of a game store is somewhere around the average time required for the loan money to run out. I can absolutely imagine that kind of game store owner saying customer-losing things that would horrify a competent store owner in any other market.

Yeah, I gotta agree. Store owners are no less capable of this behavior than anyone else, and hobby store owners are generally a particularly unsuccessful business, so there's nothing that says someone must be particularly tactful and aware of smart customer interaction just by running one. And while most have been fine, I've seen a few definitely reaching towards that less-than-pleasant extreme.

**darkcloak**

To be on topic, for a change, it's true that nerd hobbies attract some pretty strange people. A lot of us weirdos do suffer from some sort of social paranoia or whatever. That is why it's important for game stores to be comfortable places. It's good for the goblins to get out and be with other goblins. I used to be a pretty awkward person in public, always felt like a fish out of water even into my 30s. Going to a game store and interacting with other people in that setting helped me overcome that.

Who would have guessed huh? DC used to be awkward...

**Dakka Flakka Flame**

Funny thing, I'm more shy in the game store than most anywhere else. I'm naturally a shy and socially awkward person, but various jobs in customer service made me get over that at least to the point that I could do my job well. When I meet a stranger that I'm probably never going to see again or I'm dealing with someone as part of my job I have no problem talking to them. When I walk into a game store I get all nervous and try too hard not to put my foot in my mouth because I hope to be on friendly terms with the people there for some time to come.

**w1zard**

Dakka Flakka Flame wrote:
Funny thing, I'm more shy in the game store than most anywhere else. I'm naturally a shy and socially awkward person, but various jobs in customer service made me get over that at least to the point that I could do my job well. When I meet a stranger that I'm probably never going to see again or I'm dealing with someone as part of my job I have no problem talking to them. When I walk into a game store I get all nervous and try too hard not to put my foot in my mouth because I hope to be on friendly terms with the people there for some time to come.

My first job was customer service too. It did wonders for my people skills to the point where I had friends commenting to me that I was almost a completely different person just a year later. I was extremely introverted and had really poor social skills that tended to put people off before that job.

**jeff white**

SHUPPET wrote:
darkcloak wrote:
Khornate25 wrote:
w1zard wrote:

8. Afro space marines sounds really cool actually. Was it like 80's disco afros on space marines? lol... If so, that is awesome.

Just black skinned sm.

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darkcloak wrote:
The "jerk40k article"...

Let's fight about this for years. I for one feel the OP is wrong and that all 40kers are upright, bathing members of society who are the pinnacle of social graces! But of course, anyone who disagrees with the OP will be wrong and part of the problem. I am a dirty jerkist who openly supports poor hygiene. At least that's what the OP will say instead of attacking my argument...

You produced no argumemt. Simply a statement.

Stop listening to Jordan Peterson or Ben Shapiro. You'll never learn hoe to produce a logical argument with them. Simply strawmen and accusation of strawmen

That was... a joke. If those people you mentioned are celebrities of some sort I have no idea who they are. Ben Shapiro? Isn't he an accidental injury lawyer? Had something to do with a hammer? Anyways, anyone who thinks 40kers are stinky is... probably right. We do smell bad.

the irony of accusing someone of shaping their arguments with the help of two people who had nothing to do with your post, then in the next breath talking about strawmen arguments.

Indeed. Exalted.

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w1zard wrote:
Peregrine wrote:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA. No. Jordan Peterson is a fraud and a liar and it's amazing that anyone listens to him. Just look at his nonsense about lobsters, or even the original pronoun debacle that first got him attention. He may present a superficial appearance of competence, but underneath it is just garbage.

I never heard of him before this, but I looked him up. Dude has a PHD in clinical psychology and taught at Harvard. His papers and lectures have been well regarded and it appears he has a very good academic reputation.

I may disagree with the opinion of someone like that, but I would very much think carefully before claiming that what they have to say is "garbage". I am a California Liberal btw, which is about as "left" as you can get in the U.S without joining fringe groups full of crazies.

A reasonable person on the left coast?
Thought i might see a leprachaun first.
Exalted comment.

**Karol**

SHUPPET wrote:
Peregrine wrote:
Delvarus Centurion wrote:
especially not with store owners, they have a living to make I doubt any store owner would say that gak

To be fair, quite a few store owners are less business experts and more random gamers who managed to con a bank into giving them a business loan to subsidize their gaming hobby. There's a reason the average life expectancy of a game store is somewhere around the average time required for the loan money to run out. I can absolutely imagine that kind of game store owner saying customer-losing things that would horrify a competent store owner in any other market.

Yeah, I gotta agree. Store owners are no less capable of this behavior than anyone else, and hobby store owners are generally a particularly unsuccessful business, so there's nothing that says someone must be particularly tactful and aware of smart customer interaction just by running one. And while most have been fine, I've seen a few definitely reaching towards that less-than-pleasant extreme.

yeah, but in todays world where everyone tapes or videos everyone an action like the ones OP described are rather rare to to happen in public. Of course this can be something like we get on a daily basis with tweets or posts, being spinned the way you want them to spin. In fact if one considers the last few years there is a higher chance that someone situations described as Right wing Gun nuts starting a PoC hunt preparations or Leftists selling planning to overthrow the goverment, are jokes, some over the top of interpretation of a joke or an out right lie on the side of the person describing the situation.

Now this is of course doesn't mean that there are no horrible do not exists in the world, and that some may be playing w40k. I is just that the chance of seeing a w40k player slaping his girlfriend in the face and sending here off to make him a sandwitch is rather low on the probability scale. And the argument that we somehow have to "fix" the w40k community, because there are people doing is a stupid one.

But then again we live in a world where intentions stoped mattering, and what matters is someones fake or real outrage. And if it is someones way to earn money you can get outraged by almost everything. To use a Polish example here, and for some people to have a laugh, some dudes are puting shirts on monuments in Poland that say stuff like "Constitution and Law are important", they are being hunted by the state for anti stata behaviour

One could think that for a state, someone who is all about obeying the law would be a prime example of a good citizent.

**Ix_Tab**

40k players weird? surely not, if so a thread like this might degenerate into an uninformed discussion of Peterson et al

**HuskyWarhammer**

RatBot wrote:
There are a lot of weirdos in nerd hobbies and a lot of people in these hobbies suffer from serious issues related to social propriety. It's not just 40K, they exist everywhere.

Nearly everyone I've met while gaming has been a functional person who can behave themselves properly, I think, and both my FLGS owners are actually good at their jobs (personable, understanding, willing to go the extra mile for customers, welcoming, etc...) so I'm pretty lucky, I guess.

EDIT: I will note that the local 40K players tend to be a little more... eccentric than other game groups, but they're not bad people at all; they're polite, groomed, etc

You’re not the only one. I was reading this thinking, “Wow, it must suck for some people.” The worst hygiene issue we have at my FLGS is a guy who likes to come play after his workout (and shower) who smells faintly of the body wash/deodorant be just used.

**nateprati**

This post is obviously bs. Racism, sexism at my local store! The owner was in on it! Also jordan and ben are bad! (How on earth was that subject even relevent)

Yea ive never heard this before. I was also born yesterday.

Pot stirring bs

**greyknight12**

Any statement that can be summed up as “everyone does these things except for me!” is usually not an honest one.

**SirWeeble**

I don't think the oddballs really are much more numerous in 40k than the outside world.

If you've ever worked a customer service job, you'd be keenly aware of how screwed up people are in general. 8/10 customers are at least on the surface - acceptable. They aren't screaming, don't smell, don't have the 'crazy' look. 2/10 are 'warning: do not engage" types.

Occasionally this 'acceptable' crowd become regulars and end up talking to you a bit more. A good 30-40% of them turn out to be weirdos, creeps, perverts, or have some other malfunction that makes you wish you weren't required to interact with them.

The point is: the 40k crowd seem proportionally stranger because you have to interact with them in a manner that is deeper than basic transactional interactions.

In more isolated social circumstances - eg: work, school, or social functions - you are brought together by similar life circumstances, socio-economic class, age, or skills. With 40k the only common bond is the enjoyment of this game and even within that subset is a variety of interests - painting, lore, tactics. Certainly we're all within the sub-category of 'nerd' to some degree - but the flavor varies.

**Blndmage**

SirWeeble wrote:
I don't think the oddballs really are much more numerous in 40k than the outside world.

If you've ever worked a customer service job, you'd be keenly aware of how screwed up people are in general. 8/10 customers are at least on the surface - acceptable. They aren't screaming, don't smell, don't have the 'crazy' look. 2/10 are 'warning: do not engage" types.

Occasionally this 'acceptable' crowd become regulars and end up talking to you a bit more. A good 30-40% of them turn out to be weirdos, creeps, perverts, or have some other malfunction that makes you wish you weren't required to interact with them.

The point is: the 40k crowd seem proportionally stranger because you have to interact with them in a manner that is deeper than basic transactional interactions.

In more isolated social circumstances - eg: work, school, or social functions - you are brought together by similar life circumstances, socio-economic class, age, or skills. With 40k the only common bond is the enjoyment of this game and even within that subset is a variety of interests - painting, lore, tactics. Certainly we're all within the sub-category of 'nerd' to some degree - but the flavor varies.

So then, your saying that roughly half the people in the world are "weirdos, creeps, perverts, or have some other malfunction that makes you wish you weren't required to interact with them", yes?

If you could clarify your definitions, that'd be very helpful.

**Karol**

The difference today, comparing to the past, was that two people who are fans of enemy teams could play a game of w40k against each other, and not politics were coming up durning the game. Right now the possible reaction to playing someone you disagree with, is to hit them with a padlock. And what is worse, people expect to be called heros for doing that.

**Blndmage**

Karol wrote:
The difference today, comparing to the past, was that two people who are fans of enemy teams could play a game of w40k against each other, and not politics were coming up durning the game. Right now the possible reaction to playing someone you disagree with, is to hit them with a padlock. And what is worse, people expect to be called heros for doing that.

What!?
Where do you play 40k games that turn into beat downs with padlocks?

**Peregrine**

Blndmage wrote:
Karol wrote:
The difference today, comparing to the past, was that two people who are fans of enemy teams could play a game of w40k against each other, and not politics were coming up durning the game. Right now the possible reaction to playing someone you disagree with, is to hit them with a padlock. And what is worse, people expect to be called heros for doing that.

What!?
Where do you play 40k games that turn into beat downs with padlocks?

The same place where it's ok to smash an opponent's army so they have to forfeit, or threaten to beat them if they don't. I very much hope Karol is just a troll.