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It's probably just you remember bad people more. I forget most people at my store unless my memory is jogged but I remember the bad people pretty clearly. Like the blatant cheating...

 vaklor4 wrote:
In what fantasy country do you live in where 40k is cheap compared to most hobbies? In card games like M:TG you can spend one hundred dollars and have a stacked deck ready for local play, or spend 20 dollars and have a tabletop casual ready deck. Or alternatively, Herolix, where if you want to go meta competitive, you barely need to break above the 100 dollar mark to get fully prepared. Or just buy a single brick and have a wide range of models you can play dozens of games with.

In the real world, where gaming of any kind is cheap. First of all, you aren't getting a MTG deck for $20-100 unless you only play in a group of people where everyone agrees to limit their spending to that level. If you want to play even semi-competitively you're spending hundreds of dollars per deck and changing them frequently as the format rotates. Second, adult hobbies get really expensive. The plane I fly? Rents for $170/hour, and I'm looking into buying a $25-50,000 plane to get that per-hour cost down. But what about one of my cheaper hobbies, photography? That's $500+ for a decent camera, another $500-1000+ for a starter set of lenses, plus light boxes/travel to outdoor locations/etc to actually take any pictures of anything. I have friends that have cars as their hobby and even a cheap track-worthy car is a few thousand dollars, plus assorted hundreds to thousands of dollar upgrade expenses. Want a new gaming PC? $1000+ easily. Take a vacation? $500+ for airline tickets, plus hundreds of dollars for a hotel room, plus whatever you want to do on the trip. Hell, even a dinner date at a decent restaurant is going to be more expensive than 40k when you look at it in per-hour terms. 40k is only expensive from the point of view of children with very limited gift money, or people working low-end jobs where everything is expensive.

IMO where this translates to community behavior is that more expensive hobbies require a better job, and a better job requires things like basic social skills and bathing every day. The TFG Nurgle cultist might be able to get a minimum-wage job at the local Walmart and save up enough money to buy a box of space marines (especially if they get into MTG and make a bunch of money ripping off kids), but I doubt I'm going to run into them at the airport or at a nice restaurant.

40k is cheaper than going out for dinner once or twice a week. One reason I never picked up on smoking, drugs or alcohol when I was younger is simple cost opportunity. Cigarettes or a blister pack of models? Models every time.

Warhammer has kept me away from drugs and alcohol.

Wargaming is time-intensive, but generally quite cheap compared to many other product-based hobbies. Is it cheap for a high school kid? No. Cheap for a person coming out of college with debt in a starting career? No. But, compare it to building cars, firearms, golf, etc...and it's laughably inexpensive.

Is it more expensive than jogging, or hiking? Sure.

Because it's a hobby you have little to no say in who joins the "community". What you can do is choose who you wish to spend time with. Our local community is perhaps 40-50 active members. I hang out, and game with about ten of them, having learned that the other 30+ are people I'm fine not spending time with. I'm not desperate to game and needing to go find pick-up games, etc. The repeated complaints you see on sites like this normally boil down to people insisting on playing strangers, or being unwilling to confront donkey-caves in their small gaming circle. That's just lack of proper communication, and a willingness to bring up and uncomfortable subject. It happens.

It's a strong reason why garage-hammer is so prevalent in our local group. We could go bump elbows at a small local gaming store, surrounded by loud MTG players, or we can chill out in someone's living room - enjoy dinner, and some beer and play on our own tables. The decision is pretty easy.

At my local we have the usual MTG crowd, not a bad bunch really, couple of stereotypes walking about.

Then we have the 40k group, mega varied bunch, 3 girls, a black dude, myself (Welsh/Singaporean), couple of polish lads and a bunch of others, about 30 of us all told, only 1 person id consider a TFG, but he doesn’t really play anymore.

Then there is the great unwashed as we call them, some of the most obnoxious people I have ever met, the Star Wars crowd, armada mainly but also x wing, it’s not fair to tar them all with the same brush but most of them seem to be TFG types with poor personal hygiene.

Lastly you have the yu gi oh players, mostly late teens to early twenties, quiet as anything and a pretty chilled group.

No group is perfect, people can be douches from time to time, 40k is a popular game and as such will attract its fair share of the great unwashed, just like any popular thing.

 Peregrine wrote:

 vaklor4 wrote:
In what fantasy country do you live in where 40k is cheap compared to most hobbies? In card games like M:TG you can spend one hundred dollars and have a stacked deck ready for local play, or spend 20 dollars and have a tabletop casual ready deck. Or alternatively, Herolix, where if you want to go meta competitive, you barely need to break above the 100 dollar mark to get fully prepared. Or just buy a single brick and have a wide range of models you can play dozens of games with.

In the real world, where gaming of any kind is cheap. First of all, you aren't getting a MTG deck for $20-100 unless you only play in a group of people where everyone agrees to limit their spending to that level. If you want to play even semi-competitively you're spending hundreds of dollars per deck and changing them frequently as the format rotates. Second, adult hobbies get really expensive. The plane I fly? Rents for $170/hour, and I'm looking into buying a $25-50,000 plane to get that per-hour cost down. But what about one of my cheaper hobbies, photography? That's $500+ for a decent camera, another $500-1000+ for a starter set of lenses, plus light boxes/travel to outdoor locations/etc to actually take any pictures of anything. I have friends that have cars as their hobby and even a cheap track-worthy car is a few thousand dollars, plus assorted hundreds to thousands of dollar upgrade expenses. Want a new gaming PC? $1000+ easily. Take a vacation? $500+ for airline tickets, plus hundreds of dollars for a hotel room, plus whatever you want to do on the trip. Hell, even a dinner date at a decent restaurant is going to be more expensive than 40k when you look at it in per-hour terms. 40k is only expensive from the point of view of children with very limited gift money, or people working low-end jobs where everything is expensive.

IMO where this translates to community behavior is that more expensive hobbies require a better job, and a better job requires things like basic social skills and bathing every day. The TFG Nurgle cultist might be able to get a minimum-wage job at the local Walmart and save up enough money to buy a box of space marines (especially if they get into MTG and make a bunch of money ripping off kids), but I doubt I'm going to run into them at the airport or at a nice restaurant.

And if you actually paint your models you actually spend even less per month on warhammer. It takes me a good couple weeks to finish up a single kit. Often longer.

 Peregrine wrote:

 vaklor4 wrote:
In what fantasy country do you live in where 40k is cheap compared to most hobbies? In card games like M:TG you can spend one hundred dollars and have a stacked deck ready for local play, or spend 20 dollars and have a tabletop casual ready deck. Or alternatively, Herolix, where if you want to go meta competitive, you barely need to break above the 100 dollar mark to get fully prepared. Or just buy a single brick and have a wide range of models you can play dozens of games with.

In the real world, where gaming of any kind is cheap. First of all, you aren't getting a MTG deck for $20-100 unless you only play in a group of people where everyone agrees to limit their spending to that level. If you want to play even semi-competitively you're spending hundreds of dollars per deck and changing them frequently as the format rotates. Second, adult hobbies get really expensive. The plane I fly? Rents for $170/hour, and I'm looking into buying a $25-50,000 plane to get that per-hour cost down. But what about one of my cheaper hobbies, photography? That's $500+ for a decent camera, another $500-1000+ for a starter set of lenses, plus light boxes/travel to outdoor locations/etc to actually take any pictures of anything. I have friends that have cars as their hobby and even a cheap track-worthy car is a few thousand dollars, plus assorted hundreds to thousands of dollar upgrade expenses. Want a new gaming PC? $1000+ easily. Take a vacation? $500+ for airline tickets, plus hundreds of dollars for a hotel room, plus whatever you want to do on the trip. Hell, even a dinner date at a decent restaurant is going to be more expensive than 40k when you look at it in per-hour terms. 40k is only expensive from the point of view of children with very limited gift money, or people working low-end jobs where everything is expensive.

IMO where this translates to community behavior is that more expensive hobbies require a better job, and a better job requires things like basic social skills and bathing every day. The TFG Nurgle cultist might be able to get a minimum-wage job at the local Walmart and save up enough money to buy a box of space marines (especially if they get into MTG and make a bunch of money ripping off kids), but I doubt I'm going to run into them at the airport or at a nice restaurant.

I used to race competitive Radio Controlled Cars. Talk about an expensive hobby ! 40K is dirt cheap in comparison.

The "jerk40k article"...

Let's fight about this for years. I for one feel the OP is wrong and that all 40kers are upright, bathing members of society who are the pinnacle of social graces! But of course, anyone who disagrees with the OP will be wrong and part of the problem. I am a dirty jerkist who openly supports poor hygiene. At least that's what the OP will say instead of attacking my argument...

Reemule wrote:
I don't think that you can say any kind of stereotype is going to fit.

I would put your complains as 3 groups.

Gamergate stupid hating on women and minorities. Yep. Dumb is dumb. We all need to slap this down.

The unwashed and dirty.. Ask them to go clean up. Be blunt.

The WAAC. Frankly this game need more WAAC. Not cheating, but the WAAC from other games who do stuff like...work out, eat healthy, read books on game theory, all so they can play better.

Other than that, people are terrible. Don't trust them.

You forgot your CAAC and FAAC people. These aren't unique to miniatures games, but are far more common in 40k and AoS than any other type of game I've ever played(and together make up about 40% of everyone on this forum). Casual at all cost people take great pride in being terrible at the game because it shields them completely from having to deal with losses. It's never their fault they lost, it's your "OP netlist" that won the game.(but...I played an all dreadnoughts list and didn't even have any tech marines and you had 3 Custode shield captains, 3 knights, and a guard battalion? NETLIST!!! WAAC TRYHARD!!! NOT MY FAULT MY ARMY DOESN'T HAVE D-WEAPONS!!!!) They usually follow this up with a bunch of comments about how tournaments are 'toxic' despite the fact that they never even go to tournaments and tend to be much sorer losers than most people at tournaments.

Then you have your Fluff at all Cost people. They're usually not as aggressively unpleasant as CAACs because they prefer to be passive aggressive and snide. These are the type of people who use their knowledge of the fluff and hobby skills as an excuse to look down on people and feel self important.They're 100% convinced that deliberately hamstringing yourself in the game to better match General-Lord-Admiral-Captain-Supervisor Snuggletits and his EDGELORDS OF MAXIMUM EDGE chapter on their totally-awesome-andn-at-all-lame-like-a-million-times-better-than-new-star-wars-and-marvel-is-so-played-out adventures is the ONLY way to play the game and that anyone who doesn't want to play like that should just be playing checkers or chess or backgammon, because that's not idiotic at all.

Basically, the community gets real up in arms about WAAC people but I have way more problems with the OTHER side of the spectrum.

Tabletop wargames is a niche hobby, and it tends to attract people with eccentricities. I'm not sure why you are surprised. Just a couple of things I wanted to point out...

1,3,4,7. Just bad social skills, even normal people do this kind of stuff.

2. You are aware this kind of thing is extremely common in relationships where neither person plays WH40K right?

5. Store owner probably has that rule so that he can sell a few extra kits. Sadly, it probably backfires on him and pushes people away from his store.

6. Are you sure they weren't just joking with him? If I knew a new player who wanted to get into Tau, the very first thing I would say to him is "So you like the blue anime fan space communists huh?".

8. Afro space marines sounds really cool actually. Was it like 80's disco afros on space marines? lol... If so, that is awesome.

Those are all pretty ghastly examples, but they exist in all hobbies. Whenever I move away from the GW hobby and back into my other passion - rail photography, I see some of the worst of society there. Just behaving in different ways. When there's a heritage train on, they all come out of the woodwork and drive in a way that is dangerous to themselves, other enthusiasts and especially to other road users who have no interest in looking at a train beyond time lost at a level crossing. The trick is to do exactly what you've done - find a good place to game, find good people to game with and just flat out refuse games against bad opponents. If everyone did that, then people would be forced to change their behaviour, or go elsewhere to game.

I was once defeated by a 3000 point "army" of my little pony miniatures with space marine parts attached and proxied as bikers.

I generally advocate for people taking a sterner line on bad hygiene, rancid social skills (to the point of being offensive rather than just awkward or strange), and other inappropriate behaviours.

It's been a while since I've played but still maintain that the moment someone hits the point where you're thinking "christ, what an ass" and regretting the match is the moment you should just straight up end the game, pack your minis and leave.

I've played 40K for a while now and on a few different continents and I've never had these bad experiences with players other than the bad hygiene guy. I don't doubt these are people's experiences but I do wonder how much of it is exaggerated or miss remembered.

There's always the weird people in every hobby, its just that 40k especially attracts a lot of eccentric die-hards.. This may be due to the large barrier to entry (models are expensice), Si-fi theme (can be seen as geeky) and the combination of both modeling and war gaming (need to be okay with doing both.

All these factors together isolate a large amount of the population, so a good bit of the people left are the extremes, and left isolated from the general population it may seem that they rule the 40k.

That said not everyone is bad, its about 50-50 in my community, maybe even a bit more towards the normal side.Seems like your experiences are directed at certain people...

 Peregrine wrote:

 vaklor4 wrote:
In what fantasy country do you live in where 40k is cheap compared to most hobbies? In card games like M:TG you can spend one hundred dollars and have a stacked deck ready for local play, or spend 20 dollars and have a tabletop casual ready deck. Or alternatively, Herolix, where if you want to go meta competitive, you barely need to break above the 100 dollar mark to get fully prepared. Or just buy a single brick and have a wide range of models you can play dozens of games with.

In the real world, where gaming of any kind is cheap. First of all, you aren't getting a MTG deck for $20-100 unless you only play in a group of people where everyone agrees to limit their spending to that level. If you want to play even semi-competitively you're spending hundreds of dollars per deck and changing them frequently as the format rotates. Second, adult hobbies get really expensive. The plane I fly? Rents for $170/hour, and I'm looking into buying a $25-50,000 plane to get that per-hour cost down. But what about one of my cheaper hobbies, photography? That's $500+ for a decent camera, another $500-1000+ for a starter set of lenses, plus light boxes/travel to outdoor locations/etc to actually take any pictures of anything. I have friends that have cars as their hobby and even a cheap track-worthy car is a few thousand dollars, plus assorted hundreds to thousands of dollar upgrade expenses. Want a new gaming PC? $1000+ easily. Take a vacation? $500+ for airline tickets, plus hundreds of dollars for a hotel room, plus whatever you want to do on the trip. Hell, even a dinner date at a decent restaurant is going to be more expensive than 40k when you look at it in per-hour terms. 40k is only expensive from the point of view of children with very limited gift money, or people working low-end jobs where everything is expensive.

IMO where this translates to community behavior is that more expensive hobbies require a better job, and a better job requires things like basic social skills and bathing every day. The TFG Nurgle cultist might be able to get a minimum-wage job at the local Walmart and save up enough money to buy a box of space marines (especially if they get into MTG and make a bunch of money ripping off kids), but I doubt I'm going to run into them at the airport or at a nice restaurant.

Hell, I'm trying to get into shooting, starting with building an AR-15. You can be cheap and build one for like $4-500, or you can go balls out and spend $3000 on top-of-the-line, competition-level parts. And that's not even counting the hundreds of rounds of ammo, the membership at a shooting range (which can range between $15/mo at a good indoor range or a $3000 one-time fee and $450/yr for an amazing outdoor gun club).

40k was incredibly expensive back in 2007 when I was making minimum wage and $50 for a box of terminators was absurd. Now that I'm making decent money, it's far more about priorities than whether or not I can afford it.

 Peregrine wrote:

 vaklor4 wrote:
In what fantasy country do you live in where 40k is cheap compared to most hobbies? In card games like M:TG you can spend one hundred dollars and have a stacked deck ready for local play, or spend 20 dollars and have a tabletop casual ready deck. Or alternatively, Herolix, where if you want to go meta competitive, you barely need to break above the 100 dollar mark to get fully prepared. Or just buy a single brick and have a wide range of models you can play dozens of games with.

In the real world, where gaming of any kind is cheap. First of all, you aren't getting a MTG deck for $20-100 unless you only play in a group of people where everyone agrees to limit their spending to that level. If you want to play even semi-competitively you're spending hundreds of dollars per deck and changing them frequently as the format rotates. Second, adult hobbies get really expensive. The plane I fly? Rents for $170/hour, and I'm looking into buying a $25-50,000 plane to get that per-hour cost down. But what about one of my cheaper hobbies, photography? That's $500+ for a decent camera, another $500-1000+ for a starter set of lenses, plus light boxes/travel to outdoor locations/etc to actually take any pictures of anything. I have friends that have cars as their hobby and even a cheap track-worthy car is a few thousand dollars, plus assorted hundreds to thousands of dollar upgrade expenses. Want a new gaming PC? $1000+ easily. Take a vacation? $500+ for airline tickets, plus hundreds of dollars for a hotel room, plus whatever you want to do on the trip. Hell, even a dinner date at a decent restaurant is going to be more expensive than 40k when you look at it in per-hour terms. 40k is only expensive from the point of view of children with very limited gift money, or people working low-end jobs where everything is expensive.

IMO where this translates to community behavior is that more expensive hobbies require a better job, and a better job requires things like basic social skills and bathing every day. The TFG Nurgle cultist might be able to get a minimum-wage job at the local Walmart and save up enough money to buy a box of space marines (especially if they get into MTG and make a bunch of money ripping off kids), but I doubt I'm going to run into them at the airport or at a nice restaurant.

Weather or not the hobby is expensive has to do with how much you bring in, screw how much other things cost.
For me, 40k is very expensive, but I have a collection form my younger, more Income flush years when I lived with family, in the real world, the $50 for the new codex goes to groceries.

40k may not be "expensive" per se, but the model kits, rulebooks and to an extent the paints (stupid pots) are pretty lousy value. 40k is expensive for what you receive in return for the money that represents your time and effort.

 McNinja wrote:

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 Peregrine wrote:

 vaklor4 wrote:
In what fantasy country do you live in where 40k is cheap compared to most hobbies? In card games like M:TG you can spend one hundred dollars and have a stacked deck ready for local play, or spend 20 dollars and have a tabletop casual ready deck. Or alternatively, Herolix, where if you want to go meta competitive, you barely need to break above the 100 dollar mark to get fully prepared. Or just buy a single brick and have a wide range of models you can play dozens of games with.

In the real world, where gaming of any kind is cheap. First of all, you aren't getting a MTG deck for $20-100 unless you only play in a group of people where everyone agrees to limit their spending to that level. If you want to play even semi-competitively you're spending hundreds of dollars per deck and changing them frequently as the format rotates. Second, adult hobbies get really expensive. The plane I fly? Rents for $170/hour, and I'm looking into buying a $25-50,000 plane to get that per-hour cost down. But what about one of my cheaper hobbies, photography? That's $500+ for a decent camera, another $500-1000+ for a starter set of lenses, plus light boxes/travel to outdoor locations/etc to actually take any pictures of anything. I have friends that have cars as their hobby and even a cheap track-worthy car is a few thousand dollars, plus assorted hundreds to thousands of dollar upgrade expenses. Want a new gaming PC? $1000+ easily. Take a vacation? $500+ for airline tickets, plus hundreds of dollars for a hotel room, plus whatever you want to do on the trip. Hell, even a dinner date at a decent restaurant is going to be more expensive than 40k when you look at it in per-hour terms. 40k is only expensive from the point of view of children with very limited gift money, or people working low-end jobs where everything is expensive.

IMO where this translates to community behavior is that more expensive hobbies require a better job, and a better job requires things like basic social skills and bathing every day. The TFG Nurgle cultist might be able to get a minimum-wage job at the local Walmart and save up enough money to buy a box of space marines (especially if they get into MTG and make a bunch of money ripping off kids), but I doubt I'm going to run into them at the airport or at a nice restaurant.

Hell, I'm trying to get into shooting, starting with building an AR-15. You can be cheap and build one for like $4-500, or you can go balls out and spend $3000 on top-of-the-line, competition-level parts. And that's not even counting the hundreds of rounds of ammo, the membership at a shooting range (which can range between $15/mo at a good indoor range or a $3000 one-time fee and $450/yr for an amazing outdoor gun club).

40k was incredibly expensive back in 2007 when I was making minimum wage and $50 for a box of terminators was absurd. Now that I'm making decent money, it's far more about priorities than whether or not I can afford it.

if 40k models had the same price point for an individual item, nobody would play.

the scope on my long range rifle would get me a nice warlord titan(that's just the optic, not including; rifle, ammo, case....). at least with guns they have some other purpose(home defense) than fun. can't exactly have my salamanders securing the homestead(would be nice).

What drives me mad is that one lying WAAC player destroyed an entire group of people that were looking for a fun way to spend some free time.

And Reemule... no, we do not need more WAAC players, we need more players that want everyone to have fun... if you need something to get your ego up, then swallow steroids and pump iron all day... at least then nobody else's day is ruined.

I found a group of people playing other wargames (KoW, historic stuff,...) and they seem to be about having a fun time with friends... all that competitive stuff ruins the game.

I play(ed) T'au and I got tons of stupid comments about them being too strong, I only were about winning, "f@$£ing fish"... but I only chose them because I liked the background story, liked most of the models, never played the power lists and therefore never won... and the one being the biggest jerk about it was the WAAC player who always played the strongest armies with the strongest combos... ruined the game for me that I did spend too much time and money on.

I'd argue the gun is mostly fun (especially a scope that expensive).

But man am I glad I don't have to deal with donkey-caves like the OP.

Blastaar wrote:
40k may not be "expensive" per se, but the model kits, rulebooks and to an extent the paints (stupid pots) are pretty lousy value. 40k is expensive for what you receive in return for the money that represents your time and effort.

Quite so; and what's worse the low value investments are almost all right at the start ( Full codex/rulebook/chapter approved/??? + starter paints + model tools ). Once you've passed that, unless you can cash out intelligently, the value of your investement ( inc. time and scheduling with peeps) pays only around game #50 when you can play almost any level of opponent and both get some fun out of it.

If you've held on until then you're probably never going to escape

I have one opponant ,we share 7 armies ,play 7th 100% non competative and have brilliant game because of it!

Blastaar wrote:
40k may not be "expensive" per se, but the model kits, rulebooks and to an extent the paints (stupid pots) are pretty lousy value. 40k is expensive for what you receive in return for the money that represents your time and effort.

I disagree. Value is what you make of it. In terms of time+effort/money, you get out what you put in. I am building up a primaris dark angels force, and a death guard warband. Probably for kill team, and maybe small 500-1000point games (specific format name eludes me, but it's essentially warmachine/hordes scale - dudes and walkers. Biggest thing in the format is a dreadnought). You need to stop thinking about it purely in terms of the amount of plastic you get.

Now my dark imperium box set took me about two months to work through. And that is probably with 4-6 hours per model. I am going all out on modelling, and painting them. I spend some of a recent bonus on intercessors, plague marines and reivers. Again, for the cash investment, the value/enjoyment I am getting out of it is immense when I factor in how much time and enjoyment I am getting, just out of building and painting them. In term of gaming, they'll last me the rest of my life.

That's value.

Now I take the wife out to dinner. I can pay £70 -£100 for two decent-to-good steaks, and a few beers. Now, in terms of 'value', is that 300g to 400g bit of meat worth £50? I mean, I can get a meal and cook it and home for the barest fraction of that, if I want. But still, a good steak is worth every penny, even if at the end of the day all it accomplishes is coming out the other end the next day.

We can spend £20-£30 on having a few beers on a Fridays or Saturday night. If you define 'value' by the fact that all we get is multiple trips to the bathroom, and a sore head the next day, it's rubbish. I guarantee you we'll make a good night of it though.

'Value' is what you make of it.

w1zard wrote:


8. Afro space marines sounds really cool actually. Was it like 80's disco afros on space marines? lol... If so, that is awesome.

Just black skinned sm.




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 darkcloak wrote:
The "jerk40k article"...

Let's fight about this for years. I for one feel the OP is wrong and that all 40kers are upright, bathing members of society who are the pinnacle of social graces! But of course, anyone who disagrees with the OP will be wrong and part of the problem. I am a dirty jerkist who openly supports poor hygiene. At least that's what the OP will say instead of attacking my argument...

You produced no argumemt. Simply a statement.

Stop listening to Jordan Peterson or Ben Shapiro. You'll never learn hoe to produce a logical argument with them. Simply strawmen and accusation of strawmen

I recall a man from a local game shop. He was an employee. Painted beautiful armies. Nice guy. Stunk up a storm and not just in the shop but everywhere. I saw him in the university gym and yup he was stinky there too. To be fair however i have the same problem and this is that the stink is in the shirts. In summer if i dont use a ton of oxygen bleach then the shirts themselves come alive and with any exposure to humid air start to smell like rancid smoked sausage. If my wife does the laundry then i might get three hours out of a shirt. Maybe 30mins! If i do it then ok. All day is possible... But then again i have the benefits of 50yrs and advanced degrees in chemistry to draw on while others including that stinky games shop guy did not. He was just a college dude who didnt know how to get his shirts clean. Anyways that guy ended up moving to work at whitedwarf. His old armies from the shop ended up in white dwarf and he ended up in white dwarf advising how to paint so well. and now ... I dunno where he us but maybe still with gw. Hopefully he got some help with his laundry.

hmm, I don't know, I've witnessed worse than your list during maybe 1 week in certain jobs. That said I do have a pet theory that GW business practices have shaped their fanbase
negatively.

 Khornate25 wrote:

w1zard wrote:


8. Afro space marines sounds really cool actually. Was it like 80's disco afros on space marines? lol... If so, that is awesome.

Just black skinned sm.

That's just racism then. I wouldn't have a single issue with an entire chapter of dark skinned space marines. Hell, that's basically the Salamanders right there. Anyone who starts causing crap over the skin color of someone else's miniatures (whether they be all white or all black or all asian) is not worth wasting your time on. I would never play with that person again.

Unfortunately racism is not unique to 40k either.

 Khornate25 wrote:

w1zard wrote:


8. Afro space marines sounds really cool actually. Was it like 80's disco afros on space marines? lol... If so, that is awesome.

Just black skinned sm.




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 darkcloak wrote:
The "jerk40k article"...

Let's fight about this for years. I for one feel the OP is wrong and that all 40kers are upright, bathing members of society who are the pinnacle of social graces! But of course, anyone who disagrees with the OP will be wrong and part of the problem. I am a dirty jerkist who openly supports poor hygiene. At least that's what the OP will say instead of attacking my argument...

You produced no argumemt. Simply a statement.

Stop listening to Jordan Peterson or Ben Shapiro. You'll never learn hoe to produce a logical argument with them. Simply strawmen and accusation of strawmen

That was... a joke. If those people you mentioned are celebrities of some sort I have no idea who they are. Ben Shapiro? Isn't he an accidental injury lawyer? Had something to do with a hammer? Anyways, anyone who thinks 40kers are stinky is... probably right. We do smell bad.