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Karol wrote:
Yes, insane does describe XIX century america well. Most newspapers I read that described american "duels" are of the "he was going out of the house of ill repute totally drunk, so my friend hit him with a wooden horse coller, and then the four of us opened fire at him with shotguns" kind.

Not saying it isn't effective at killing the person. Death per capita it is probablly more deadly then the normal duel.

You forgot the whole showdown at high noon thing we've turned into a trope. I'm not saying it's common, but two guys squaring off to throw lead at each other to prove who was the better man (or at least the faster draw) was a thing we had.

It might not be as cultured as muzzleloading pistols at dawn but it's definitely American.

And thinking of cowboys....why don't we have an official cowboy themed chapter? I mean dual pistol characters/sergeants, a Land Raider called the Iron Horse, a fondness of shotguns for those who don't use pistols....

Come on GW, there is an untapped gold mine here! Just make them really loud, friendly and bombastic and we can call them Space Texans.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Karol wrote:
Yes, insane does describe XIX century america well. Most newspapers I read that described american "duels" are of the "he was going out of the house of ill repute totally drunk, so my friend hit him with a wooden horse coller, and then the four of us opened fire at him with shotguns" kind.

Not saying it isn't effective at killing the person. Death per capita it is probablly more deadly then the normal duel.

You forgot the whole showdown at high noon thing we've turned into a trope. I'm not saying it's common, but two guys squaring off to throw lead at each other to prove who was the better man (or at least the faster draw) was a thing we had.

It might not be as cultured as muzzleloading pistols at dawn but it's definitely American.

And thinking of cowboys....why don't we have an official cowboy themed chapter? I mean dual pistol characters/sergeants, a Land Raider called the Iron Horse, a fondness of shotguns for those who don't use pistols....

Come on GW, there is an untapped gold mine here! Just make them really loud, friendly and bombastic and we can call them Space Texans.

I know you're joking, but.......this sounds badass.

Racerguy180 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Karol wrote:
Yes, insane does describe XIX century america well. Most newspapers I read that described american "duels" are of the "he was going out of the house of ill repute totally drunk, so my friend hit him with a wooden horse coller, and then the four of us opened fire at him with shotguns" kind.

Not saying it isn't effective at killing the person. Death per capita it is probablly more deadly then the normal duel.

You forgot the whole showdown at high noon thing we've turned into a trope. I'm not saying it's common, but two guys squaring off to throw lead at each other to prove who was the better man (or at least the faster draw) was a thing we had.

It might not be as cultured as muzzleloading pistols at dawn but it's definitely American.

And thinking of cowboys....why don't we have an official cowboy themed chapter? I mean dual pistol characters/sergeants, a Land Raider called the Iron Horse, a fondness of shotguns for those who don't use pistols....

Come on GW, there is an untapped gold mine here! Just make them really loud, friendly and bombastic and we can call them Space Texans.

I know you're joking, but.......this sounds badass.

I'm only half joking. I mean I want to see it and it to be a thing (maybe they all wear rebreathers to mimic the use of a bandana?), but at the same time I'm too lazy to do this when I've already got two projects I'm working on already (Thousand Sons and now Primaris Imperial Fists).

 Peregrine wrote:

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
Yet, for some reason, in every single gaming establishment I've frequented more than a handful of times for any significant period of time- someone smells like they've not washed in days. Not someone who's been sweating or forgot deodorant, or just forgot to brush their teeth, or maybe wore yesterday's socks... but a person who actually smells worse than some of the homeless people who spend days sleeping in the streets.

I suspect, like many of your posts, this is hyperbolic nonsense. I've played a lot of games in a lot of different stores and I can't remember anyone who smelled worse than homeless people, not even close. A bit sweaty, especially on hot day with a large crowd? Yep. Smelling like oil/chemicals/etc because they came directly from work? Yep. But nothing like you're describing. If it has ever happened in my presence it's been so rare that I can't remember any incidents. TBH the worst I've smelled is the people who smoke outside and then insist on coming back in the store, and for some reason that's considered a socially acceptable activity even outside of gaming.

Oh sweet summer child...

I'm sorry little Perri, but you're so wrong that we know exactly how you'll pontificate to this reply, but whatever.... Until you've encountered a person like the infamous Dog gak Dave from round these parts then you have no place in saying it is hyperbole. It is fething real. I've seen (and had the displeasure of smelling too) a person who the GW staff straight up asked if he'd been bathing in sewage. I've encountered people who are so stinky it is unreal. The triangular snack food man is right. I honestly do not know how you can have gone this long and not come across one of Nurgle's chosen IRL. They exist and have existed in every store I've been in for an extended period of time. Only one store has kicked one of the smelly people out, and even then that wasn't for smelling like roses that had been dipped in gak, it was cheating at MTG.

Go figure.

 Grimtuff wrote:
The triangular snack food man is right. I honestly do not know how you can have gone this long and not come across one of Nurgle's chosen IRL.

Go figure.

I must be genuinely honest with you, I don't think he is arguing from a place of sincerity. For some reason he prefers to initiate conflict with me, so I'm fairly certain that if I claimed fire was hot there would be some comment from him (hidden from my view thanks to the 'Ignore User' feature) stating that in fact, I was some sort of liar and stupid person because it was actually cold. It's a consistent event, one that borderlines on harassment. It's best not to rise to the bait and let the moderators do their thing as they see fit.

It is a fairly consistent problem within the gaming world to encounter the smelly ones. My only theory is that they never really go away because someone at the shop is fully aware that every buck that person isn't spending on soap, deodorant, laundry detergent, toothpaste, etc... is money that they're hurling at cards, models, and other gaming stuff. What makes this awful isn't that the shop owner is willing to tolerate it as long as the guy's spending money, but because of the fact that this person may have a genuine addiction and neglect of personal care is a sign of multiple addictions- substance and otherwise. It's not doing that player any good at all. The best possible answer is to ask them to leave and deal with it, and repeat this until they learn they have to take care of themselves if they want to be able to buy their toys and play with them at the FLGS.

I believe a lot of these places need to come to an understanding about how much of a problem this is. I could handle someone who is just coming in to shop around and be on their way, but these people spend hours on end in the shop- which means that if they are indeed as unhygienic as they smell (and if you smell that way, you're filthy)- then It's not a good idea to have them in a room full of people for most of the day, handling things and coming into contact with stuff that others will be touching. Things like this go beyond just 'gross and annoying' to me, it crosses the line into what I consider a health risk to multiple people.

I rant on it because, I will admit it is a pet peeve. Because I know I've done things to make myself smell that awful before, but the only reason why is because I was outdoors for days without running water or a means to clean myself. There's no reason an adult in the modern world with access to running water should smell that way. Either they need to grow the hell up and be responsible like an adult, or the issue needs to be taken to some kind of health care professional.

 Grimtuff wrote:
Oh sweet summer child...

I'm sorry little Perri, but you're so wrong that we know exactly how you'll pontificate to this reply, but whatever.... Until you've encountered a person like the infamous Dog gak Dave from round these parts then you have no place in saying it is hyperbole. It is fething real. I've seen (and had the displeasure of smelling too) a person who the GW staff straight up asked if he'd been bathing in sewage. I've encountered people who are so stinky it is unreal. The triangular snack food man is right. I honestly do not know how you can have gone this long and not come across one of Nurgle's chosen IRL. They exist and have existed in every store I've been in for an extended period of time. Only one store has kicked one of the smelly people out, and even then that wasn't for smelling like roses that had been dipped in gak, it was cheating at MTG.

Go figure.

I'm not disputing that these people exist, obviously people with major issues exist and some of them probably find their way into game stores. But it's a tiny minority blown way out of proportion as a weird form of virtue signalling by a bunch of people yelling I KNOW HOW TO USE SOAP GUYS. And I'm not sure how you can say that I'm wrong about something that is my own experience. I have never, AFAIK, encountered a person that bad, not in any of the stores I have ever been in. Are you trying to claim that I'm lying about this?

You know, I too have not encountered someone who's, to put it bluntly with a bit of hyperbole, a walking bio hazard. I guess I'm one of the lucky ones, heh.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
I must be genuinely honest with you, I don't think he is arguing from a place of sincerity. For some reason he prefers to initiate conflict with me, so I'm fairly certain that if I claimed fire was hot there would be some comment from him (hidden from my view thanks to the 'Ignore User' feature) stating that in fact, I was some sort of liar and stupid person because it was actually cold. It's a consistent event, one that borderlines on harassment. It's best not to rise to the bait and let the moderators do their thing as they see fit.

This is absurd paranoia. I don't pay attention to you at all, you posted in a thread I looked at and you got a reply. You are not that important.

(Though I note that, once again, you post to tell everyone how much you care about me while simultaneously boasting about how you ignore me. If only we had a word for behavior like that...)

My only theory is that they never really go away because someone at the shop is fully aware that every buck that person isn't spending on soap, deodorant, laundry detergent, toothpaste, etc... is money that they're hurling at cards, models, and other gaming stuff.

And now, having done the paranoia, we descend into utter lunacy. No, stores are not accepting disgusting customers because spending a few dollars on soap might mean buying fewer MTG packs. Aside from the employees not wanting to deal with disgusting people the other customers don't want to deal with them either. No sane store owner is going to allow people like that to drive away a much greater value in sales to people who don't tolerate the Nurgle cultists. If such behavior is tolerated it's because of socially awkward employees who don't know how to handle the situation and/or fear of legal trouble, not a calculated decision that getting the soap money is a profitable business strategy.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
You know, I too have not encountered someone who's, to put it bluntly with a bit of hyperbole, a walking bio hazard. I guess I'm one of the lucky ones, heh.

I would say you are. Or, you've got people running the place that actually dealt with the problem. That's always a plus, in my book. It is something that requires regular maintenance, but it's very possible.

And I've also noticed it usually depends- a lot of time during the weekdays you're less likely to encounter this, if that's your gaming routine. Just a bit of a trend I've noticed. Your mileage may vary.

EDIT: I have noticed that it is often a trend with the US stores. I've a theory about this, but I need to do a little more digging before I leap to a conclusion. But it may have a lot to do with specifically where these places are located, or even that our own gaming stores that featured 40k and similar games were far less common- something about the willingness to be open and create bigger communities and being a bit less discriminatory about things, for the sake of having 'more players'. Half-cooked theory in my head at best, I may engage it later or simply forget about it.

 Peregrine wrote:

I'm not disputing that these people exist, obviously people with major issues exist and some of them probably find their way into game stores. But it's a tiny minority blown way out of proportion as a weird form of virtue signalling by a bunch of people yelling I KNOW HOW TO USE SOAP GUYS. And I'm not sure how you can say that I'm wrong about something that is my own experience. I have never, AFAIK, encountered a person that bad, not in any of the stores I have ever been in.

Yeah, same. I can't remember ever encountering this issue.

Racerguy180 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Karol wrote:
Yes, insane does describe XIX century america well. Most newspapers I read that described american "duels" are of the "he was going out of the house of ill repute totally drunk, so my friend hit him with a wooden horse coller, and then the four of us opened fire at him with shotguns" kind.

Not saying it isn't effective at killing the person. Death per capita it is probablly more deadly then the normal duel.

You forgot the whole showdown at high noon thing we've turned into a trope. I'm not saying it's common, but two guys squaring off to throw lead at each other to prove who was the better man (or at least the faster draw) was a thing we had.

It might not be as cultured as muzzleloading pistols at dawn but it's definitely American.

And thinking of cowboys....why don't we have an official cowboy themed chapter? I mean dual pistol characters/sergeants, a Land Raider called the Iron Horse, a fondness of shotguns for those who don't use pistols....

Come on GW, there is an untapped gold mine here! Just make them really loud, friendly and bombastic and we can call them Space Texans.

I know you're joking, but.......this sounds badass.

It is also a hollywood thrope. Most shoting were either done durning brawls or done with stuff like shotguns. The high noon stuff never really happened, unless it was something like an ambush. What is less mentioned though is how stabbings were popular back then. Almost never see someone stab someone in western movies, unless it is a movie about Alamo. Bullets cost money, weapons, specially the old black powder revolvers had missifres and jams. The stabbidy stab on the other hand was free. Plus it was a link to ancient times of JC getting brutsed.

And now, having done the paranoia, we descend into utter lunacy. No, stores are not accepting disgusting customers because spending a few dollars on soap might mean buying fewer MTG packs. Aside from the employees not wanting to deal with disgusting people the other customers don't want to deal with them either. No sane store owner is going to allow people like that to drive away a much greater value in sales to people who don't tolerate the Nurgle cultists. If such behavior is tolerated it's because of socially awkward employees who don't know how to handle the situation and/or fear of legal trouble, not a calculated decision that getting the soap money is a profitable business strategy.

Well a few $ probablly not. But what if the guy comes in and buys 3 boxs of every MtG set, orgenises the local MtG events aka brings more people to buy stuff at the store. Then he can get away with anything that doesn't close the store or drops the sales.
I have seen guys who everyone knows they are prime a holes, being accepted at stores, just because they slap around 300$, aka a lot in Poland, every month on different stuff.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
You know, I too have not encountered someone who's, to put it bluntly with a bit of hyperbole, a walking bio hazard. I guess I'm one of the lucky ones, heh.

I would say you are. Or, you've got people running the place that actually dealt with the problem. That's always a plus, in my book. It is something that requires regular maintenance, but it's very possible.

And I've also noticed it usually depends- a lot of time during the weekdays you're less likely to encounter this, if that's your gaming routine. Just a bit of a trend I've noticed. Your mileage may vary.

EDIT: I have noticed that it is often a trend with the US stores. I've a theory about this, but I need to do a little more digging before I leap to a conclusion. But it may have a lot to do with specifically where these places are located, or even that our own gaming stores that featured 40k and similar games were far less common- something about the willingness to be open and create bigger communities and being a bit less discriminatory about things, for the sake of having 'more players'. Half-cooked theory in my head at best, I may engage it later or simply forget about it.

Dude, makes sense to me, you want to cast a wide net to get as many people in as possible and over here we tend to be too polite to inform others that they are honking, but sometimes it must be done and sadly there is almost no polite way to tell someone they have body odour issues, one offs we can all dismiss, it’s the serial odour offenders that it’s awkward to tell.

I ask people if I smell as I’m very self concious about it, if i feel stinky I do something about it, some people just don’t have that level of self awareness.

Karol wrote:
I have seen guys who everyone knows they are prime a holes, being accepted at stores, just because they slap around 300$, aka a lot in Poland, every month on different stuff.

The jerks, the bigots, the bullies and otherwise obnoxious elements are usually able to get away with it if they swipe the card at the FLGS enough times.

I get that it's a business, and it's going to protect a source of revenue- especially a reliable one, but at some point it's got to impact the bottom line.

My INT stat is too low to imagine how one could act out bigotry while playing w40k 0_o


On the other hand thanks to an accident as a kid, I do not have to worry about the whole smell thing, unless I start feeling the smell on my tongue. And to this day, this feat has only been achived by homeless people, and no w40k player.

Karol wrote:
My INT stat is too low to imagine how one could act out bigotry while playing w40k 0_o

You get some variation of jerk in every single hobby out there. I'm shocked at absolutely none of them, because that's just reality. The only thing that ever shocks me is when any sort of scummy person is allowed to go on doing awful stuff for a long time. And it's that point I hold the store itself accountable.

 Crimson wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

I'm not disputing that these people exist, obviously people with major issues exist and some of them probably find their way into game stores. But it's a tiny minority blown way out of proportion as a weird form of virtue signalling by a bunch of people yelling I KNOW HOW TO USE SOAP GUYS. And I'm not sure how you can say that I'm wrong about something that is my own experience. I have never, AFAIK, encountered a person that bad, not in any of the stores I have ever been in.

Yeah, same. I can't remember ever encountering this issue.

I have, but not due to a single individual... A store I worked at for a while was located in a windowless basement underneath a bank. They would cram 40 or 50 people in there for MtG tournies, the air conditioner would crap itself within half an hour, and the combined aroma of so many people packed into such a tiny space very quickly became something to behold.

Having said that, I encountered far worse on an individual level working other retail jobs. Poor hygiene is most certainly not some gamer-specific attribute.

Karol wrote:
My INT stat is too low to imagine how one could act out bigotry while playing w40k 0_o


On the other hand thanks to an accident as a kid, I do not have to worry about the whole smell thing, unless I start feeling the smell on my tongue. And to this day, this feat has only been achived by homeless people, and no w40k player.

You shouldn't lick the homeless.

 insaniak wrote:
Having said that, I encountered far worse on an individual level working other retail jobs. Poor hygiene is most certainly not some gamer-specific attribute.

I think the key difference a lot of people overlook, though- in most retail stores, you will certainly encounter this. Sometimes a LOT worse, too. But the difference is, Stinkbutt McMildewsweats is going to the retail store to walk around and look at things, make his purchase, and depart. In the FLGS, he's going to do that, but he's also going to be in a room full of other people for a significant amount of time.

So it's kind of like the difference between someone going to McDonald's to grab a combo meal and leave, vs. someone going into a bar and sitting there for hours. One of them's fairly a temporary inconvenience, and one of them is using the social area and interfering with what the customers are there to enjoy.

If you guys think real life 40k jerks are bad you definitely need to dip your toes into online gaming. Take real life jerks and ramp it up 100 times due to the wonderful anonymity the net provides. et voila.....
at least in real life you can punch the guy in the face *does not advocate violence as a means of conflict resolution*

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Karol wrote:
Yes, insane does describe XIX century america well. Most newspapers I read that described american "duels" are of the "he was going out of the house of ill repute totally drunk, so my friend hit him with a wooden horse coller, and then the four of us opened fire at him with shotguns" kind.

Not saying it isn't effective at killing the person. Death per capita it is probablly more deadly then the normal duel.

You forgot the whole showdown at high noon thing we've turned into a trope. I'm not saying it's common, but two guys squaring off to throw lead at each other to prove who was the better man (or at least the faster draw) was a thing we had.

It might not be as cultured as muzzleloading pistols at dawn but it's definitely American.

And thinking of cowboys....why don't we have an official cowboy themed chapter? I mean dual pistol characters/sergeants, a Land Raider called the Iron Horse, a fondness of shotguns for those who don't use pistols....

Come on GW, there is an untapped gold mine here! Just make them really loud, friendly and bombastic and we can call them Space Texans.

I don't know about space cowboys, but I learned that the Minotaurs chapter shoulderpad that comes with the Deathwatch kit is functionally identical to the chicago bulls logo.

...which is why my heavy thunder hammer guy is Dunkmaster Sergeant Jordan of the Chicago Bulls space marine chapter.


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Karol wrote:
My INT stat is too low to imagine how one could act out bigotry while playing w40k 0_o


On the other hand thanks to an accident as a kid, I do not have to worry about the whole smell thing, unless I start feeling the smell on my tongue. And to this day, this feat has only been achived by homeless people, and no w40k player.

We at one point had a pimply dude in a trenchcoat playing with a steel legion guard army whose army had swastikas on the side of the tanks and on a couple banners, and his opponent abruptly ended the game turn one when he shot with his bane wolf and yelled "gas the jews!"

Everything is possible through the magic of people who get very, very little social interaction.

Wait seriously? That actually happened? That's like a bad internet joke straight out of /pol/

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Wait seriously? That actually happened? That's like a bad internet joke straight out of /pol/

Usually it is. A lot of those guys are a far cry from being what they say, and it's all about that 'shock humor' in a weird way. Don't get me wrong, I don't find it funny (none of it really is original any more). But, believe it or not there are certain people that don't understand the most basic rule of jokes: One must know the audience, and tailor their humor and gags accordingly.

There are certainly jokes and such I would make privately with friends, some are quite vile- but it's an audience of friends and we all know how one another are and what our boundaries are. We all also know, that no matter how wretched and disgusting the jokes may be... that we're all actually good human beings and we don't actually do evil and vile things or hold any sort of twisted belief system that advocates some behavior. Like Lewis C.K. said, "Some things are just funny to say", and that must be measured against what you know of your audience.

Then there's a completely different attitude I have in other places. I don't even swear in the FLGS. I take the attitude that at any moment, my grandmother could walk through the door and hear what I'm saying when my back is turned. That's how I wish to present myself, that's the sort of environment the store needs, and that's a very basic moral principle that serves me well. I joke around about things- but nothing disgusting or vile. Because also, I know that even if most of the people hearing my joke were to take it as a joke and nothing more, there could always be that one idiot within earshot that might take it to heart and either raise hell about it, or maybe even take it as a precedent for him to start spewing his own vile thoughts. Either way, it's a hassle I would rather not bother with.

As far as Swastikas go on stuff, that'd be an easy no-go at any place I play unless it was something specifically for historical accuracy. And even then, the guideline is to use those models with the utmost discretion and understand that you could be asked to put them away. We fortunately only have a couple of people who play the historical games, and they make it a point to ensure that they avoid the deliberate symbols and stick instead to crosses or something less overt.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Wait seriously? That actually happened? That's like a bad internet joke straight out of /pol/

Yeah. Given a social read on the situation, it was an obvious joke, but it was also obvious that in the normal company that the guy kept, that was normal humor. he was also wearing one of those hammer pendants that in the local area have been heavily picked up as an "acceptable for public" alternative to other more recognizable white-power imagery.

I've seen crude, inappropriate humor that resutled in an ejection from the club/store before - your usual repeated rape jokes about female models or towards female opponents, once a slaanesh marine army with lots of greenstuff genitalia crudely modeled on then spraypainted pink, but if you're going to have something like that that you write off as "well, that was a poorly thought out joke" then it's usually that level of effort. Something someone slapped together in an afternoon and thought was REALLY funny before they took it out into public.

But this was a VERY intricately painted steel legion army with LOTS of swastikas on vehicles, flags, etc, all painted to a good standard and weathered in, etc. If it was just the joke, that would have earned the dude a pulling aside and an ejection after the second offense. But you don't put hundreds of hours into an off-color joke.

the_scotsman wrote:
But this was a VERY intricately painted steel legion army with LOTS of swastikas on vehicles, flags, etc, all painted to a good standard and weathered in, etc. If it was just the joke, that would have earned the dude a pulling aside and an ejection after the second offense. But you don't put hundreds of hours into an off-color joke.

Well, I'd have thought after screaming something about executing an ethnic group via airborne poisoning wouldn't get much in the way of a 'first warning', that kind of stuff warrants an immediate boot in most places (often the sort that isn't done privately or discretely, and results in the entire room watching awkwardly and quietly as one guy packs his stuff and leaves). If this were a few models in his army with a Swastika scrawled crudely onto them somewhere, I could see it not being such a big deal- 'a dumb joke that isn't funny, go fix that'. But if this guy sat and spent hours and hours on end making them look as good as possible, I'm thinking that he's either 'kinda joking but not really'... or has some serious mental issues and is somewhere on that spectrum I keep hearing about.

the_scotsman 761573 10102829 wrote:

We at one point had a pimply dude in a trenchcoat playing with a steel legion guard army whose army had swastikas on the side of the tanks and on a couple banners, and his opponent abruptly ended the game turn one when he shot with his bane wolf and yelled "gas the jews!"

Everything is possible through the magic of people who get very, very little social interaction.

Ah that kind of a dude, I have heard stories about one of the vets "germanorks" army. Doesn't sound very bigoted though, unless the definition changed since last time I was at school.

As far as Swastikas go on stuff, that'd be an easy no-go at any place I play unless it was something specifically for historical accuracy. And even then, the guideline is to use those models with the utmost discretion and understand that you could be asked to put them away. We fortunately only have a couple of people who play the historical games, and they make it a point to ensure that they avoid the deliberate symbols and stick instead to crosses or something less overt.

I think it is a cultur perception thing. In europe and probably the US, the swastika is a vile symbol and using it as a joke is done at ones own peril. On the other hand in Asia the perception of the same symbol is different. And I don't mean the solar happines symbol, I mean the actual nazi thing. Running around with it in Vietnam or Japan.

On the other hand if someone would plop an IG army in full regalia of the 16th Infantry Division from 1937, most westerners wouldn't even understand why it can be problematic.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
But this was a VERY intricately painted steel legion army with LOTS of swastikas on vehicles, flags, etc, all painted to a good standard and weathered in, etc. If it was just the joke, that would have earned the dude a pulling aside and an ejection after the second offense. But you don't put hundreds of hours into an off-color joke.

Well, I'd have thought after screaming something about executing an ethnic group via airborne poisoning wouldn't get much in the way of a 'first warning', that kind of stuff warrants an immediate boot in most places (often the sort that isn't done privately or discretely, and results in the entire room watching awkwardly and quietly as one guy packs his stuff and leaves). If this were a few models in his army with a Swastika scrawled crudely onto them somewhere, I could see it not being such a big deal- 'a dumb joke that isn't funny, go fix that'. But if this guy sat and spent hours and hours on end making them look as good as possible, I'm thinking that he's either 'kinda joking but not really'... or has some serious mental issues and is somewhere on that spectrum I keep hearing about.

Yeah, it didn't. And I guess that's kind of the point I was trying to make - I've seen the "person who interacts so much on the internet that he doesn't understand Internet Humor /= Real World Humor" that you were talking about. This wasn't it.

But sometimes you do deal with people making jokes maybe not quite that bad, but in the neighborhood, and they are obviously on the spectrum and do warrant a second chance, depending on the circumstance.


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Karol wrote:

the_scotsman 761573 10102829 wrote:

We at one point had a pimply dude in a trenchcoat playing with a steel legion guard army whose army had swastikas on the side of the tanks and on a couple banners, and his opponent abruptly ended the game turn one when he shot with his bane wolf and yelled "gas the jews!"

Everything is possible through the magic of people who get very, very little social interaction.

Ah that kind of a dude, I have heard stories about one of the vets "germanorks" army. Doesn't sound very bigoted though, unless the definition changed since last time I was at school.

Bigoted, noun. having or revealing an obstinate belief in the superiority of one's own opinions and a prejudiced intolerance of the opinions of others.

I'm not sure how much one can reveal an obstinate belief in the superiority of one's own opinion and a prejudiced intolerance of the opinions of others than by revealing that one is a member of a hate group. That's like going out and joining a club just for that.

I thought always that it was a false belief in ones superiority. When one is superior holding such ideas is not bigoted it is just the truth.

Otherwise stating something like asian make the best engineers could be considered bigoted. Same with Jews holding the highest number of noble prizes. Or Norwegians dominating cross-country skiing.

To a degree if someone was aiming to make his army as brutal as possible then trying to turn them in to nazis in space could be a way to do it. Now this of course does not mean it ain't a very stupid idea to begin with.

To toss my hat in on the Plaguebearers in real life:

I've met a couple over the course of over a decade now and usually it wasn't a common thing. The Magic players at my current FLGS tend to be the worst of the smelly crowd (maybe they all play black decks too?) to the point that my mostly dead sense of smell still feels like I got bricked in the face with the smell.

Pretty much if you stink so bad I can smell you, we've moved beyond soap, and even beyond bleach. Only a bath of holy promethium can save us from your stench.

Karol wrote:
I thought always that it was a false belief in ones superiority. When one is superior holding such ideas is not bigoted it is just the truth.

Otherwise stating something like asian make the best engineers could be considered bigoted. Same with Jews holding the highest number of noble prizes. Or Norwegians dominating cross-country skiing.

To a degree if someone was aiming to make his army as brutal as possible then trying to turn them in to nazis in space could be a way to do it. Now this of course does not mean it ain't a very stupid idea to begin with.

The first is bigoted (if we're speaking technically) depending on how you apply it, the second is not - you've chosen a sorting criteria (religious belief/cultural affiliation?) and applied a comparison.

You can take the first and reword it - say, "asians make up the largest fraction of engineers in the world" and that's just a fact. But if you then take an individual asian baby, and just based on the fact that they are ethnically asian, say "you are more probable to become an engineer" then that is prejudice.

You don't know if, in the simplest sense, asians make up the largest fraction of engineers in the world because asians make up the largest fraction of PEOPLE in the world.

Obviously, nobody's going to get too mad if you apply a positive attribute to someone prejudicially. But at the end of the day you are applying a handful of small physical variations in skin tone and facial structure as a causative factor towards something that has almost always been shown to be entirely unrelated.

If you don't see how "asian make the best engineers" is a bigoted statement you have a lot of learning to do...I work with a ton of Asian engineers, some are really good and others are terrible.

The statement Jews hold the highest number of noble prizes is a fact (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_Nobel_laureates) which gives it a bit more leeway but it is still cringe worthy.

Then you run into the problem with just because some Norwegians dominate cross-country doesn't mean all of them do.

Drawing conclusions based off of a trait as dubious as race/religion or even sex is problematic. Just because someone is Norwegian doesn't mean they can ski and assuming so does them a disservice. Using someones race/religion/gender to assume facts about them is pretty much the definition of prejudice.

It's a slippery slope because those factors are not irrelevant but at the same time are not determinative (more likely a Norwegian can ski than a Nigerian but not all Norwegians can and not all Nigerians can't).

It's usually best to try to base your judgments around other factors (which is hard because humans are cognitively lazy and our brains basically work by classifying things on as little stimuli as possible.)

I could give you a lot of examples from my personal life as examples but its just best to not pre-judge someone on traits as superficial as race/gender.