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And lo! Did the prophet Formosa descend from the mountain, sight in his eyes, understanding in his mind, “BEHOLD!!, For I bring news of events not yet past!”
Degenerated in politics in the first post, I stand by my statement previously in this thread, all such threads should be moved to OT, repeat offenders who don’t listen get the usual punishment.
greatbigtree wrote: I seem to recall someone wanting to get certain wargaming related threads / posters banned. Any recall on that, Per, Par, Pour... I'm tired, I don't have anything good right now. Per-ticular? My kung-fu is weak.
So if those should have been banned, and had at least tangential relation to wargaming... why should Political threads not get the axe? They have nothing to add to a Wargaming site?
There is a huge difference between banning based on content and banning based on behavior. The people/threads I advocated banning are spambots, different from the usual spambots only in that they spam links to things that are technically hobby related instead of fake IDs and cheap kitchens. None of the content is a problem, if it was posted by people who are actually part of the community and not spambots.
And it wouldn't matter about AoS, because AoS is about gaming.
You're missing the point. AoS is about gaming, but it's a trash game. The models suck, the rules sucked (and probably still do), the fluff sucks. Everything about it is terrible and it should die. I have zero interest in anything to do with AoS. But do you see me posting demands for AoS discussion to be banned just because I don't like it? Do I complain about how I hate reading those threads but can't stop doing it? Of course not. Because I am an adult with at least a minimal level of impulse control. I simply don't click on threads related to AoS and leave that section for the people who want to discuss AoS.
Nobody is stopping you from engaging in your filthy politics habit. Just don't do it here, in public.
Respect the shame of others, and politic in some dark corner in the back alleys of the internet. Not here. Not in our forum.
Once again, if you don't like politics you are free to not click on those threads. The fact that you don't want to participate in them doesn't mean you get to take them away from the people who do.
Peregrine wrote: If you can't discuss politics in your gaming group then you should probably be asking yourself why you're associating with those people at all.
Er... To play games of toy soldiers...?
But why would you want to play games of toy soldiers with them? If someone is so far into disagreement with you that you can't bear to know their political opinions why would you want to associate with them? It's like saying you'd rather be ignorant of the fact that another player is a racist so you can keep playing with them. I don't get that at all. If they're a racist then I want to know so I can refuse to have anything to do with them. Letting them hide their beliefs and keep playing is not an improvement. On the other hand, if they're reasonable enough people that I would want to associate with them at all then politics discussion shouldn't be a problem.
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There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
Formosa wrote: And lo! Did the prophet Formosa descend from the mountain, sight in his eyes, understanding in his mind, “BEHOLD!!, For I bring news of events not yet past!”
Degenerated in politics in the first post, I stand by my statement previously in this thread, all such threads should be moved to OT, repeat offenders who don’t listen get the usual punishment.
Oh hey, you're still allowed on the forums. That's surprising.
"The 75mm gun is firing. The 37mm gun is firing, but is traversed round the wrong way. The Browning is jammed. I am saying "Driver, advance." and the driver, who can't hear me, is reversing. And as I look over the top of the turret and see twelve enemy tanks fifty yards away, someone hands me a cheese sandwich."
Formosa wrote: And lo! Did the prophet Formosa descend from the mountain, sight in his eyes, understanding in his mind, “BEHOLD!!, For I bring news of events not yet past!”
Degenerated in politics in the first post, I stand by my statement previously in this thread, all such threads should be moved to OT, repeat offenders who don’t listen get the usual punishment.
Oh hey, you're still allowed on the forums. That's surprising.
No more surprising than the others that are still kicking around here, but none of them have my pezaz and charm
But why would you want to play games of toy soldiers with them? If someone is so far into disagreement with you that you can't bear to know their political opinions why would you want to associate with them? It's like saying you'd rather be ignorant of the fact that another player is a racist so you can keep playing with them. I don't get that at all. If they're a racist then I want to know so I can refuse to have anything to do with them. Letting them hide their beliefs and keep playing is not an improvement. On the other hand, if they're reasonable enough people that I would want to associate with them at all then politics discussion shouldn't be a problem.
We're talking about playing a game of toy soldiers, not asking them to be your children's godparents. Their political beliefs are completely irrelevant to that, and I don't need to discuss them any more than I need to know about their family, or their job, or what they had for breakfast.
Yeah, I work with a lot of old white dudes... for whom concepts like equality are more abstract ideas being forced on them, rather than ideals.
When I rarely play games with strangers, the last thing I want to be part of my game is awkwardly deflecting attempts to get me to agree with some kind of asshattery. The moment it's broached I say, "I'm ok with people being who they want to be." And if it continues I usually have to say, "I'd rather talk about the game."
Even when it comes to someone with similar political leanings, I don't enjoy vehement intolerance. A comfortable agreement, sure, but I have no interest in listening to a stranger grind an axe. I'm there for a game, not awkward conversation. If I enjoy the game, maybe I'll get interested in your life outside the game, but not guaranteed by any means.
Seriously. Misery machines don't belong in fun-town. The politics threads are just misery machines. You can, and should, politic elsewhere. I don't understand the need to have a sewage treatment plant in a recreational facility. Take it elsewhere.
greatbigtree wrote: Yeah, I work with a lot of old white dudes... for whom concepts like equality are more abstract ideas being forced on them, rather than ideals.
When I rarely play games with strangers, the last thing I want to be part of my game is awkwardly deflecting attempts to get me to agree with some kind of asshattery. The moment it's broached I say, "I'm ok with people being who they want to be." And if it continues I usually have to say, "I'd rather talk about the game."
Even when it comes to someone with similar political leanings, I don't enjoy vehement intolerance. A comfortable agreement, sure, but I have no interest in listening to a stranger grind an axe. I'm there for a game, not awkward conversation. If I enjoy the game, maybe I'll get interested in your life outside the game, but not guaranteed by any means.
Seriously. Misery machines don't belong in fun-town. The politics threads are just misery machines. You can, and should, politic elsewhere. I don't understand the need to have a sewage treatment plant in a recreational facility. Take it elsewhere.
Otherwise the recreation areas get covered in crap?
Let’s not pretend we haven’t seen these posts pop up outside the off topic Forum, people are going to inject thier politics into any discussion they can, did you see the “40k gamers a weird bunch” thread, couple of pages in and it happened, same with this weeks usual fem marines thread, it’s going to happen so why not put it where it needs to be, off topic.
You can have the waste disposal outside of the park.
I work with the waste industry. You don't put a transfer station in a residential area. You just don't. And if people feel the need to drop politics into other threads, report it and no-politics becomes part of the culture. Because it's poison, and we don't want poison where we're trying to have a good time.
Hobbying is niche enough, we don't need to be subdividing based on stupid things like politics. Nobody changes any minds, there is simply no perceptible benefit, to justify the negative.
At best, a poster gets a thrill out of posting a zinger to upset someone else... that's trying to do the same to them. You get to cheer for your team. You get to continue the circle of being a jerk.
greatbigtree wrote: Yeah, I work with a lot of old white dudes... for whom concepts like equality are more abstract ideas being forced on them, rather than ideals.
When I rarely play games with strangers, the last thing I want to be part of my game is awkwardly deflecting attempts to get me to agree with some kind of asshattery. The moment it's broached I say, "I'm ok with people being who they want to be." And if it continues I usually have to say, "I'd rather talk about the game."
Even when it comes to someone with similar political leanings, I don't enjoy vehement intolerance. A comfortable agreement, sure, but I have no interest in listening to a stranger grind an axe. I'm there for a game, not awkward conversation. If I enjoy the game, maybe I'll get interested in your life outside the game, but not guaranteed by any means.
Seriously. Misery machines don't belong in fun-town. The politics threads are just misery machines. You can, and should, politic elsewhere. I don't understand the need to have a sewage treatment plant in a recreational facility. Take it elsewhere.
Otherwise the recreation areas get covered in crap?
Let’s not pretend we haven’t seen these posts pop up outside the off topic Forum, people are going to inject thier politics into any discussion they can, did you see the “40k gamers a weird bunch” thread, couple of pages in and it happened, same with this weeks usual fem marines thread, it’s going to happen so why not put it where it needs to be, off topic.
Or simply enough you could deal with the people dumping it everywhere?
ZebioLizard2 wrote: Or simply enough you could deal with the people dumping it everywhere?
I say this knowing full well I'm no saint, but we have forum members with blatant political messages in their signature. We have forum members that have put, in their signature, lamentations of someone disparaging an ideology. We have forum members who seem to be overwhelmingly provocative and inflammatory and seem to want nothing more than to instigate fights with everyone no matter what the topic is. We have some that it seems like every single post they make is just deliberately volatile.
When they deal with the usual suspects, I'll have a bit more faith. But if the usual suspects need a 'containment area' to wave about their ideologies and raise hell to keep it from destroying every single conversation, then so be it.
And that one particular topic, 'Female Space Marines', is always bait. At this point anyone who's been here for at least a year should be fully aware and it should be considered trolling the forums and dealt with.
ZebioLizard2 wrote: Or simply enough you could deal with the people dumping it everywhere?
I say this knowing full well I'm no saint, but we have forum members with blatant political messages in their signature. We have forum members that have put, in their signature, lamentations of someone disparaging an ideology. We have forum members who seem to be overwhelmingly provocative and inflammatory and seem to want nothing more than to instigate fights with everyone no matter what the topic is. We have some that it seems like every single post they make is just deliberately volatile.
When they deal with the usual suspects, I'll have a bit more faith. But if the usual suspects need a 'containment area' to wave about their ideologies and raise hell to keep it from destroying every single conversation, then so be it.
And that one particular topic, 'Female Space Marines', is always bait. At this point anyone who's been here for at least a year should be fully aware and it should be considered trolling the forums and dealt with.
Agreed.
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Hey guys, we're reading this thread, but let's make room for some others to share their views, too (and not get distracted with a tangent like "female marines", please).
Overall, we're looking for feedback on if folks think the OT forum could function well without politics, and what people's preference might be.
The period of time where the US Politics thread was locked seemed to go quite well, so I wonder if we might get on just fine without it... and maybe have a bit less infighting with folks who feel really strongly about that, but could otherwise get along really well discussing wargaming (or even other nerd stuff) on the site.
The feedback is appreciated
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RiTides wrote: The period of time where the US Politics thread was locked seemed to go quite well, so I wonder if we might get on just fine without it... and maybe have a bit less infighting with folks who feel really strongly about that, but could otherwise get along really well discussing wargaming (or even other nerd stuff) on the site.
Went well, according to who? It seems like a biased view where you only see the positive feelings from people who don't like politics and don't consider the frustration of the people who do want to discuss it because they aren't defying the ban and spamming politics threads anyway. The fact that the politics discussions came right back the moment the ban was lifted pretty strongly suggests that people weren't happy with the ban, and it "went well" in much the same way that there would be no apparent conflict if we banned discussion of Tyranids and then banned anyone who tried to violate the ban. So you have to ask who exactly the ban benefits and went well for:
The people who like discussing politics? Of course not.
The people who don't like discussing politics? No, because the ban didn't change anything for them. They weren't involved in any of the discussions, so their presence or absence has zero effect on them.
The people who don't like other people being allowed to discuss politics? Here we see the only group who benefits, and why should their inappropriate desires be acknowledged? Why should "YOUR HAVING FUN THE WRONG WAY STOP IT NOW" be something we listen to, when anyone who isn't interested is free to not participate?
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insaniak wrote: We're talking about playing a game of toy soldiers, not asking them to be your children's godparents. Their political beliefs are completely irrelevant to that, and I don't need to discuss them any more than I need to know about their family, or their job, or what they had for breakfast.
Their political beliefs are potentially relevant because "is this person a complete who I do not want in my community" is a question I am entirely in favor of asking. If a person is a KKK member I don't want them in my community just because they haven't said anything racist at that particular moment, they're still a complete who should be thrown out. If someone doesn't believe in my right to exist then them, get out.
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There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
I would vote (yeah, yeah) that politics should stay on dakka but the rules should be more clearly defined and ruled with an iron fist. Although I don't post in the political sections I do read them and find it both interesting and useful to keep update with the goings on in those nations (often with a wealth of sources I would not otherwise come across) and would be sad to see it go.
However I feel that their should be some more specific rules that are clearly spelt out, like no blanket statements against supporters/detractors of various beliefs, parties, ideologies etc. No attacking the poster just their argument etc. No politics outside of the designated threads (maybe expanded to half a dozen to cover the world, military and cultural current events). etc.
After such a list had been drawn up a three strikes system should be implemented, first breach one receives a sternly worded message and loose their quick reply access for a month, second banned from OT for an month (or other ban depending upon specifics of poster/post) third banned for good.
Just my two pence for what its worth (ie. nothing)
What I find funny about this thread is that you, Peregrine, seem to actually believe, that you are an example of a mature political disputant that makes political/ideological threads on dakka worth it.
So let me just quote you as an answer:
"HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, NO"
ingtaer wrote: I would vote (yeah, yeah) that politics should stay on dakka but the rules should be more clearly defined and ruled with an iron fist. Although I don't post in the political sections I do read them and find it both interesting and useful to keep update with the goings on in those nations (often with a wealth of sources I would not otherwise come across) and would be sad to see it go.
However I feel that their should be some more specific rules that are clearly spelt out, like no blanket statements against supporters/detractors of various beliefs, parties, ideologies etc. No attacking the poster just their argument etc. No politics outside of the designated threads (maybe expanded to half a dozen to cover the world, military and cultural current events). etc.
After such a list had been drawn up a three strikes system should be implemented, first breach one receives a sternly worded message and loose their quick reply access for a month, second banned from OT for an month (or other ban depending upon specifics of poster/post) third banned for good.
Just my two pence for what its worth (ie. nothing)
I genuinely doubt that will happen, given that is one of the biggest occurrences of insults within the thread proper. It has even been used by one of the frequent moderators that post there.
The fact that the politics discussions came right back the moment the ban was lifted pretty strongly suggests that people weren't happy with the ban
That isn't an argument for it, just that certain individuals would gleefully charge headlong to a politics post and discuss there. It also tends to be a very specific crowd of posters that look for it as well.
The people who don't like other people being allowed to discuss politics? Here we see the only group who benefits, and why should their inappropriate desires be acknowledged? Why should "YOUR HAVING FUN THE WRONG WAY STOP IT NOW" be something we listen to, when anyone who isn't interested is free to not participate?
It's nice to believe that this is the only issue going on or a disingenuous showing that you don't want to acknowledge the negatives of the post , but it's quite clear that the post contains quite a few overall rule breaking, insults, and generally vitriol that if it was in any other section of the forum it would have been closed long ago. I mean this certainly can be fun to you, but it's a cesspit showing on the forum.
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Their political beliefs are potentially relevant because "is this person a complete who I do not want in my community" is a question I am entirely in favor of asking. If a person is a KKK member I don't want them in my community just because they haven't said anything racist at that particular moment, they're still a complete who should be thrown out. If someone doesn't believe in my right to exist then them, get out.
By that logic Peregrine anyone that is a far left extremist should have the same treatment, see this is one of my biggest bug bears when it comes to this subject, I have and will again freely admit I have said some purposefully provocative things just to shine a light on this exact kid of hypocrisy, and its always played out exactly how I intended it, Every.Single.Time
You say that they dont believe in your right to exist, but what about their right to exist, you say they dont respect your view while not respecting their view, its double standards and you are one of, if not THE worst offender on this forum for disrespecting others views.... I dont want this to degenerate into an argument, I admit my faults, I have on this very thread and other places... I just honestly hope you can do the same and try to modify your behaviour as I am currently trying to do.
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ingtaer wrote: I would vote (yeah, yeah) that politics should stay on dakka but the rules should be more clearly defined and ruled with an iron fist. Although I don't post in the political sections I do read them and find it both interesting and useful to keep update with the goings on in those nations (often with a wealth of sources I would not otherwise come across) and would be sad to see it go.
However I feel that their should be some more specific rules that are clearly spelt out, like no blanket statements against supporters/detractors of various beliefs, parties, ideologies etc. No attacking the poster just their argument etc. No politics outside of the designated threads (maybe expanded to half a dozen to cover the world, military and cultural current events). etc.
After such a list had been drawn up a three strikes system should be implemented, first breach one receives a sternly worded message and loose their quick reply access for a month, second banned from OT for an month (or other ban depending upon specifics of poster/post) third banned for good.
Just my two pence for what its worth (ie. nothing)
A very fine point well put, I have fallen into the pitfalls you describe and I should not have done.
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nou wrote: What I find funny about this thread is that you, Peregrine, seem to actually believe, that you are an example of a mature political disputant that makes political/ideological threads on dakka worth it.
So let me just quote you as an answer:
"HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, NO"
I'm pretty sure he knows he's just trolling the mods at this point. The idea that anyone could have such a low level of self awareness boggles the mind.
nou wrote: What I find funny about this thread is that you, Peregrine, seem to actually believe, that you are an example of a mature political disputant that makes political/ideological threads on dakka worth it.
So let me just quote you as an answer: "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, NO"
He's/She's actually one of the more articulate and insightful debaters on here, just he/she won't mince words. You're almost always guaranteed a quality post from Peregrine, whether you like it or not.
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Formosa wrote: By that logic Peregrine anyone that is a far left extremist should have the same treatment
I'm not really sure what the far-left equivalent to the racists/anti-LGBT bigots/misogynists/etc would be, but sure, if someone has appalling beliefs on that level I'd be in favor of banning them. So far though I've met plenty of people in the former category, but none in the latter.
Edit: the weird super-anarchist who insisted that we all go back to being hunter-gatherers and destroy modern society (along with most of the people in it, to cut down the population) and was morally opposed to using soap might count as an extreme leftist? She wasn't in a gaming context, but I suppose if someone like that showed up at a gaming store I wouldn't be terribly interested in associating with them either.
You say that they dont believe in your right to exist, but what about their right to exist, you say they dont respect your view while not respecting their view, its double standards and you are one of, if not THE worst offender on this forum for disrespecting others views.... I dont want this to degenerate into an argument, I admit my faults, I have on this very thread and other places... I just honestly hope you can do the same and try to modify your behaviour as I am currently trying to do.
There is a difference between "your views are awful and/or factually incorrect and therefore I don't respect them" and "you deserve to be tortured for eternity because of who you are". Or, to name one I haven't personally heard, "your entire race is inferior and the cause of the decline of society". Or there's the (former, IIRC) dakka poster who posted blatant anti-Semetic comments in the politics thread. Etc. That's well beyond, say, disagreement over tax policy.
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There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
I'm not really sure what the far-left equivalent to the racists/anti-LGBT bigots/misogynists/etc would be, but sure, if someone has appalling beliefs on that level I'd be in favor of banning them. So far though I've met plenty of people in the former category, but none in the latter.
Oh thats quite easy, de platforming, condoning violence, claiming people are Nazi or alt right, which is just a veiled way of calling them a nazi, the racist, sexist and prejudiced comments that they are known for making, its quite easy to spot as long as you are not blinded by those ideals and see it as "ok to do to them, but not ok to do to me", I am not accusing you of such behaviour, I am pointing out the issue as I see it.
Edit: the weird super-anarchist who insisted that we all go back to being hunter-gatherers and destroy modern society (along with most of the people in it, to cut down the population) and was morally opposed to using soap might count as an extreme leftist? She wasn't in a gaming context, but I suppose if someone like that showed up at a gaming store I wouldn't be terribly interested in associating with them either.
that.... that is pretty out there
There is a difference between "your views are awful and/or factually incorrect and therefore I don't respect them" and "you deserve to be tortured for eternity because of who you are". Or, to name one I haven't personally heard, "your entire race is inferior and the cause of the decline of society". Or there's the (former, IIRC) dakka poster who posted blatant anti-Semetic comments in the politics thread. Etc. That's well beyond, say, disagreement over tax policy.
You have condoned punching a nazi, people on here have been called nazis, therefore you condone violence against them, I know this is a slippery slope fallacy and I am just pointing it out to illustrate my point, I agree anti semitic statements should result in a ban, I think such racism should be applied across the board, my problem is that, as I said before, "its ok to do it to them, but its not ok to do it to me" happens on this forum.
remember that white priviledge thread, well, that was full of anti white racism, but its ok, because it was the left that was doing it, and if you disagree, your a racist transfobe nazi... this is not Hyperbole, this ACTUALLY happened.
So I am in favour of your princible of banning people for such acts, I just want to make sure the mods and others apply it to EVERYONE regardless of personal political stance or views.
I think the politics thread should be closed and the topic banned. It's almost impossible to have these discussions without it devolving, if not in to personal attacks then in to group based attacks that are almost as bad but rarely moderated.
The usual suspects who cause the discussions to degrade just learn the maximum level of asshattery that won't get them warnings/bans and dance around that line, but it is still so often asshattery.
I think the political threads are just toxic discussions and bring down the tone of the forum as a whole.
No, I don't read the politics threads anymore, but their existence is still part of the face of dakka, and not a good part.
The only good part about them is (maybe?) they generate more hits for the site and more revenue, but although it's a fast moving discussion with a lot of hits I'd be surprised if it's more than just the same handful of people that were in those threads years ago when I was still following them. The megathread moves so fast that it'd be hard for anyone new to get involved anyway.
If folk are so desperate to chat about politics it's not like there isn't other places on the internet they can do that.
The only concern is if by closing the megathread the usual offenders just go posting their rhetoric in other threads that aren't anything to do with politics.
Formosa wrote: Oh thats quite easy, de platforming, condoning violence, claiming people are Nazi or alt right, which is just a veiled way of calling them a nazi, the racist, sexist and prejudiced comments that they are known for making, its quite easy to spot as long as you are not blinded by those ideals and see it as "ok to do to them, but not ok to do to me", I am not accusing you of such behaviour, I am pointing out the issue as I see it.
It is difficult to find someone on the left that is quite like a KKK racist or Neo-Nazi in those exact terms- but even on the right, people know those individuals are disgusting and they hate them. I have, however, found no shortage of persons on the left that through lowered expectations seem to believe that other races are inferior (Those poor X people can't help but do Y, unlike us white people). I've also seen racism against white people, which is still racism no matter which way you slice it- and have actually seen outright discrimination and targeted actions against those people. So they are out there. And they're all stupid and should all just go away. All of them. Just, stay in their houses and not bother the rest of the world with their childishness.
I don't bother with questioning whether someone's beliefs are as bad as others. What I concern myself with is someone's actions. They can keep their beliefs to themselves and I'd never know one way or another, and as long as they're doing that I don't care.
I don't like a bully. I don't like intolerance. That means if you're going to mistreat someone because of who they cast their vote for, or where they stand on a political issue- you're just another brand of bully and bigot and you just need to go away. You're not welcome around me. And I'm happy to say that most of the country, at least the sane parts of it, feels exactly the same way.
The best part of this thread is the desperate virtue-signalers who brought up SJWS, feminism, and fem marines out of the blue despite it not being referenced in any way, not being on topic, but they just can't stop bringing it up even after being directly told not to by a mod.
The most heated topics are never going to work well here because of some of the core, structural problems with the community. Maybe in a few years when some of these elements wander off, or there is some kind of a moderation shift, but I don't see it happening.
In the meantime the best you can do is cordon off chat elements that reveal who some of us really are, I guess.
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lord_blackfang wrote: Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
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Ouze wrote: The best part of this thread is the desperate virtue-signalers who brought up SJWS, feminism, and fem marines out of the blue despite it not being referenced in any way, not being on topic, but they just can't stop bringing it up even after being directly told not to by a mod.
I would like to point out the irony here is that we all agreed that those topics were disruptive because individuals cannot seem to see someone disagree with them on these topics without running into the threads and insulting other posters. I specifically mentioned name-calling, in fact.
I think you could have chosen a better way to say this, because despite how correct you think your own beliefs are in the matter- it does not grant you any sort of right to go about insulting people on the forum. Otherwise, you have simply proven a point made by myself and others.
JohnHwangDD wrote: It's odd that this particular thread exists at all - I would have thought OP would have been banned from OT or Politics threads.
That is one of Dakka Dakka's enduring (but certainly not endearing) mysteries, isn't it?
Manchu wrote: Our common ground is interest in miniatures gaming. Politics is divisive in the best of times. These are not the best of times.
It wouldn't be appropriate to talk (nevermind rant) about politics in a game store or a gaming club, as has been pointed out earlier in this thread. Perhaps that ought to be the standard on Dakka Dakka as well.
Probably?
But these topics are easy to avoid. They clearly must serve some purpose other than just corralling off the undesirable element so...
Ouze wrote: The best part of this thread is the desperate virtue-signalers who brought up SJWS, feminism, and fem marines out of the blue despite it not being referenced in any way, not being on topic, but they just can't stop bringing it up even after being directly told not to by a mod.
The most heated topics are never going to work well here because of some of the core, structural problems with the community. Maybe in a few years when some of these elements wander off, or there is some kind of a moderation shift, but I don't see it happening.
In the meantime the best you can do is cordon off chat elements that reveal who some of us really are, I guess.
I think you have missed the irony of your own statement and ignored the context, they were mentioned (apart from SJW, not sure why that came up) because of how disruptive and and divisive they are, and almost on que someone posted up a thread, almost as if they were baiting the mods... we also said that such threads should just be moved to off topic or the political thread since they ALWAYS split along ideological lines.
Ouze wrote: So thanks but I'll pass on your lessons on forum morality (or at least consistency).
Well, I was hoping to share a lesson I'd learned in being outright rude and insulting to others. Recently I decided to re-evaluate the way I deal with other posters here and just help the mods find the problems rather than try to take them on myself and make the place less pleasant for others.
I wouldn't be too bothered if you tried to emulate that, but I understand if you'd prefer not to. It doesn't seem to have caused you much concern, so to each their own.
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Ouze wrote: Here's something for you to consider: the guy who compared feminists to ISIS is now saying stuff like this:
I'm quite intrigued why after what has been what, a year? This bothers you quite a bit. Enough that you put it in your signature, even.
One would consider that some degree of harassment, I believe.
Huh, odd that we're talking about the more toxic and volatile actions on the forums spilling out and disturbing others.
You know what? Here, I'll say it like this: Would you like me to apologize? Would that please you and help you let go of that, if I said "I was wrong I should not have said that"?
Ball's in your court.
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so you can keep playing with them. I don't get that at all. If they're a racist 
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