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 ClockworkZion wrote:
Here's a question (since I missed like 6 months of this edition and honestly don't know): Since 8th dropped, other than telling us what is in the pipeline next, has GW announced any details about an army prior to the lead up the the codex's release?

Because as far as I know, we haven't heard anything about other armies until it was time for them to go up for pre-order, so why would it be different here?

Pretty sure no. You started to get hints and info once your turn became. So first you got announcement of next 3 codexes so if your codex was there start waiting. Then hype and info starts to drible for first of those. Then it gets released. Then for the next and so on.

Only differences so far are that a) there was only 2 codexes announced(and codex-unrelated miniatures due to GW making slight mistake with their photographing team) and that gap between that announcement and first tidbits for first codex being bit longer than usual(but with new edition of AOS, kill team and AT it was albeit bit crowded area. Expecting codexes amidsts that would be optimistic).

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Here's a question (since I missed like 6 months of this edition and honestly don't know): Since 8th dropped, other than telling us what is in the pipeline next, has GW announced any details about an army prior to the lead up the the codex's release?

Because as far as I know, we haven't heard anything about other armies until it was time for them to go up for pre-order, so why would it be different here?

IIRC they had those army previews, debuting various units, stratagems, and rules they had coming up. With GSC obviously they've shown these new models and their codex is rumored to be last.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Here's a question (since I missed like 6 months of this edition and honestly don't know): Since 8th dropped, other than telling us what is in the pipeline next, has GW announced any details about an army prior to the lead up the the codex's release?

Because as far as I know, we haven't heard anything about other armies until it was time for them to go up for pre-order, so why would it be different here?

Mostly it's that there's a whole bunch of stars aligning which points to a null release of new stuff for Orks

* Total lack of anything GW regarding Orks (Not enough points to show them off, lol.)
* Lots of specialist games releases teased months early with leaks of new models (Rogue Trader, Battle of Pelenor Fields, Knights box)
* August White Dwarf was leaked, no Orks
* More specialist games being released (Rogue trader)
* Recent Rumour Engines point at a massive Slaanesh release
* New GSC stuff being shown off instead of new SW or Ork stuff on codex announcement
* Kill team release had nothing new Ork wise so close to the codex (Same goes for the Furries, see below...)
* Space Wolves were also kept back just like Orks, only to just get some upgrade sprues (Why was this held back so long? Are Orks getting the same treatment?)
* A whole community being ghosted
--- No response at all about models being sent to them by lolman1acs movement
--- No changes at all that needed to happen in CA
--- CA gave Orks the MOST out of touch stratagem ever. as well as an almost useless Warlord Trait
--- Community Posts using Orks as a piniata (Look how good this knight is, it killed 12 Killa Kans that cost so much more than it!!!!!`!)
--- Reece is GW's lead Ork Playtester "Stompa is good", "Grots are the best Ork Unit"

There were however, lots of Primaris teasers on launch of 8e (Which was the big poster child of this edition, so it may not be relatable.)

tneva82 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Here's a question (since I missed like 6 months of this edition and honestly don't know): Since 8th dropped, other than telling us what is in the pipeline next, has GW announced any details about an army prior to the lead up the the codex's release?

Because as far as I know, we haven't heard anything about other armies until it was time for them to go up for pre-order, so why would it be different here?

Pretty sure no. You started to get hints and info once your turn became. So first you got announcement of next 3 codexes so if your codex was there start waiting. Then hype and info starts to drible for first of those. Then it gets released. Then for the next and so on.

Only differences so far are that a) there was only 2 codexes announced(and codex-unrelated miniatures due to GW making slight mistake with their photographing team) and that gap between that announcement and first tidbits for first codex being bit longer than usual(but with new edition of AOS, kill team and AT it was albeit bit crowded area. Expecting codexes amidsts that would be optimistic).

So it's basically people getting self-hyped and then getting mad because GW is doing exactly what they should be doing and not pandering to them specially?

I mean, I'm not trying to be cruel here, I know the folly of getting on the hype train more times than I should have in the past, but I don't really see how any of this is GW's fault. "You guys are next" isn't a free pass to get leaks or news early, it's a notification that you're in the chute for the next codex releases and not much more. All this salt about not being told something you're not even supposed to be told about yet just reeks of self-entitlement to be honest.

It's people complaining that they're last or second-to-last, which must mean GW hates them and everything they get will be bad and the army will be horrible forever and GW wants everyone to burn their Orks armies and order Primaris marines.

 Vitali Advenil wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Here's a question (since I missed like 6 months of this edition and honestly don't know): Since 8th dropped, other than telling us what is in the pipeline next, has GW announced any details about an army prior to the lead up the the codex's release?

Because as far as I know, we haven't heard anything about other armies until it was time for them to go up for pre-order, so why would it be different here?

IIRC they had those army previews, debuting various units, stratagems, and rules they had coming up. With GSC obviously they've shown these new models and their codex is rumored to be last.

Accidentally putting models out in Warhammer World too early and then owning up to them coming out "soon" isn't quite the same thing as a proper preview or codex notification.

And we all know Sisters of Battle are going to be the true last codex of the update cycle next year. Just so we can get Sisters of Silence, the Inquisition and Codex: Primaris Marines first.


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meleti wrote:
It's people complaining that they're last or second-to-last, which must mean GW hates them and everything they get will be bad and the army will be horrible forever and GW wants everyone to burn their Orks armies and order Primaris marines.

Seriously WHAT THE FECK IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE!? The later in an edition a codex appears the stronger and more balanced it tends to be (I say tends just in case someone can prove me wrong with a niche example from 2nd edition or something). The studio becomes more comfortable with how the system works, what it can handle and what ideas don't really work leading to much more solid and well rounded armies.

So basically we have people crying that they're codex will likely be AWESOME just because they don't have it yet?

Where the feck is the Exterminatus button when you need it?

 ClockworkZion wrote:



Seriously WHAT THE FECK IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE!? The later in an edition a codex appears the stronger and more balanced it tends to be (I say tends just in case someone can prove me wrong with a niche example from 2nd edition or something). The studio becomes more comfortable with how the system works, what it can handle and what ideas don't really work leading to much more solid and well rounded armies.

So basically we have people crying that they're codex will likely be AWESOME just because they don't have it yet?

Where the feck is the Exterminatus button when you need it?

Necrons got an average Codex.
Marines are still appearing within the top 10 in tournaments.
Imperial Guard are still one of the best Codexes.
Thousand Sons are average in every way other than certain characters and daemon princes.

What's this about later codexes being better and more rounded?

Clockwork, later codices are never more balanced. They always are stronger because the Studio goes, "Oh how about we add something new to it to show off?".

Orks are the ONLY codex where I could see that something new be something like a moral system that screws them over.

But general rule of thumb later codices are NEVER BALANCED. They're plain stronger.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
So it's basically people getting self-hyped and then getting mad because GW is doing exactly what they should be doing and not pandering to them specially?

I mean, I'm not trying to be cruel here, I know the folly of getting on the hype train more times than I should have in the past, but I don't really see how any of this is GW's fault. "You guys are next" isn't a free pass to get leaks or news early, it's a notification that you're in the chute for the next codex releases and not much more. All this salt about not being told something you're not even supposed to be told about yet just reeks of self-entitlement to be honest.

Pretty much yeah.

Personally I'm less bothered by the time and more about will the codex be good. GW has lousy track record with orks and thanks to several design choices they have made it's hard to fix orks while maintaining their character AND keep game playable. One issue for example is that with rampart point drops while upping game sizes other armies are already quite big in model count. Now orks are generally quantity over quality so having that playstyle unviable isn't good(it doesn't have to be ONLY playstyle that's viable but should be viable style). However doing that starts to become issue due to table size AND time. If you upgrade orks by making them cheaper you will end up even bigger army which takes more space(keeping in mind you can't voluntarily even leave stuff in reserve so if you can't deploy all...Those are out then) and more time. But if you start upgrading stats and rules you end up toward less horde and more elite army. That's hard line to balance. But as it is I have played against SOB out of all things that nearly matched my orks in model count! That was rough one. Being up against BS3+ 3+ save horde that had almost as many models as my orks...

Would be nice that GW has figured some magic bullet but with rules and general design parameters making it hard for orks and doubly more so in tournament enviroment(or anywhere that's time limited like my gaming club game nights)...Gulp.

The latest codex, Imperial Knights, is very powerful and changed the entire 40k competitive meta. Harlequins and Drukhari aren't far behind. Tau is a solid codex. The only one since Necrons that doesn't have high tournament representation is Deathwatch, and they're pretty decent too.

The Space Marines appearing in competitive lists are overwhelmingly Blood Angels (a December codex) and are exactly what you accuse the Thousand Sons of being, cherry picked characters like smash captains and Mephiston. There's also a very few Dark Angels armies (also a December codex). Guilliman armies have become increasingly rare in recent months, and represent a large share (probably a majority) of the remaining Codex: Space Marines lists.

It's almost like you're just cherrypicking facts to fit a narrative.

 Eonfuzz wrote:

Necrons got an average Codex.
Marines are still appearing within the top 10 in tournaments.
Imperial Guard are still one of the best Codexes.
Thousand Sons are average in every way other than certain characters and daemon princes.

What's this about later codexes being better and more rounded?

 Eonfuzz wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:



Seriously WHAT THE FECK IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE!? The later in an edition a codex appears the stronger and more balanced it tends to be (I say tends just in case someone can prove me wrong with a niche example from 2nd edition or something). The studio becomes more comfortable with how the system works, what it can handle and what ideas don't really work leading to much more solid and well rounded armies.

So basically we have people crying that they're codex will likely be AWESOME just because they don't have it yet?

Where the feck is the Exterminatus button when you need it?

Necrons got an average Codex.
Marines are still appearing within the top 10 in tournaments.
Imperial Guard are still one of the best Codexes.
Thousand Sons are average in every way other than certain characters and daemon princes.

What's this about later codexes being better and more rounded?

Save for Grey Knights (those poor kids) the worst GW has given us is mid-tier. And Blood Angels and Death Watch are the top contenders of Marines in tournaments at the moment, so let's not pretend every kind of Marine is running the roost. Newest flavors of Marines are trumping older ones hands down.

The curve isn't as drastic as old editions, but that's not to say newer books aren't more solid with better internal balance and a wider array of good builds in them.

tneva82 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Here's a question (since I missed like 6 months of this edition and honestly don't know): Since 8th dropped, other than telling us what is in the pipeline next, has GW announced any details about an army prior to the lead up the the codex's release?

Because as far as I know, we haven't heard anything about other armies until it was time for them to go up for pre-order, so why would it be different here?

Pretty sure no. You started to get hints and info once your turn became. So first you got announcement of next 3 codexes so if your codex was there start waiting. Then hype and info starts to drible for first of those. Then it gets released. Then for the next and so on.

Only differences so far are that a) there was only 2 codexes announced(and codex-unrelated miniatures due to GW making slight mistake with their photographing team) and that gap between that announcement and first tidbits for first codex being bit longer than usual(but with new edition of AOS, kill team and AT it was albeit bit crowded area. Expecting codexes amidsts that would be optimistic).

that's exactly how it gets, you typicall only get info in the week leading up to the pre-order.

BrianDavion wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Here's a question (since I missed like 6 months of this edition and honestly don't know): Since 8th dropped, other than telling us what is in the pipeline next, has GW announced any details about an army prior to the lead up the the codex's release?

Because as far as I know, we haven't heard anything about other armies until it was time for them to go up for pre-order, so why would it be different here?

Pretty sure no. You started to get hints and info once your turn became. So first you got announcement of next 3 codexes so if your codex was there start waiting. Then hype and info starts to drible for first of those. Then it gets released. Then for the next and so on.

Only differences so far are that a) there was only 2 codexes announced(and codex-unrelated miniatures due to GW making slight mistake with their photographing team) and that gap between that announcement and first tidbits for first codex being bit longer than usual(but with new edition of AOS, kill team and AT it was albeit bit crowded area. Expecting codexes amidsts that would be optimistic).

that's exactly how it gets, you typicall only get info in the week leading up to the pre-order.

Which invalidates every post crying about how we don't have info about where the Orks are. Of course we don't have info, they're not coming yet!

meleti wrote:
It's people complaining that they're last or second-to-last, which must mean GW hates them and everything they get will be bad and the army will be horrible forever and GW wants everyone to burn their Orks armies and order Primaris marines.

Except orkz are coming off of 2 complete Editions without a new Codex or units and then getting arguably the worst codex in 7th, the worst supplement in 7th and then getting a brand new unit that was completely useless. We are also coming off of the 8th edition index release which saw ALL of our options being nerfed into the ground and leaving us with 1 play style which is in my opinion excessively boring, take 150-210 boyz or you aren't competitive. So, also in my opinion, it isn't so much the "GW hates orkz because we are 2nd to last" and more "GW has a track record of doing feth all for Orkz and its getting tiresome" I am at the point where honestly, if the 8th codex isn't good I am probably going to pack it in and switch hobbies. It has been over a decade since I could enjoy my army and be competitive, I don't like having to ask my opponents to tone down there lists so I can have a chance.

SemperMortis wrote:

meleti wrote:
It's people complaining that they're last or second-to-last, which must mean GW hates them and everything they get will be bad and the army will be horrible forever and GW wants everyone to burn their Orks armies and order Primaris marines.

Except orkz are coming off of 2 complete Editions without a new Codex or units and then getting arguably the worst codex in 7th, the worst supplement in 7th and then getting a brand new unit that was completely useless. We are also coming off of the 8th edition index release which saw ALL of our options being nerfed into the ground and leaving us with 1 play style which is in my opinion excessively boring, take 150-210 boyz or you aren't competitive. So, also in my opinion, it isn't so much the "GW hates orkz because we are 2nd to last" and more "GW has a track record of doing feth all for Orkz and its getting tiresome" I am at the point where honestly, if the 8th codex isn't good I am probably going to pack it in and switch hobbies. It has been over a decade since I could enjoy my army and be competitive, I don't like having to ask my opponents to tone down there lists so I can have a chance.

I don't want to start up the crusade about how screwed over Sisters players have been for around two decades now (and only one model concept to show for the "we'll keep you in the loop as we work on them" we were promised) but Orks have not had it the worst. Basically any army that isn't Marines spends some time slumping and while Orks weren't doing well, it's not maliciousness that an army sucks, it's a misguided attempt to do what they think will be fun only to have it bite them in the ass when it turns out the community doesn't play the army that way.

Since we're seeing actual playtesting and only one codex that's truly bad with everything else being mid-tier or better, and more viable builds in the newer books over the old ones I don't think Ork players should be worrying.

Save that for when they actually start showing us the rules.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Since we're seeing actual playtesting and only one codex that's truly bad with everything else being mid-tier or better, and more viable builds in the newer books over the old ones I don't think Ork players should be worrying.

Save that for when they actually start showing us the rules.

Honestly, while I truly think our codex will be in a good spot, some dark shadow in the back of my mind can't help but imagine the worst case scenario and just straight-up not fixing our codex. Maybe I'm that kind of morbid person who likes to think of the worst possible outcome, who knows.

Sure, I complain about the lack of news, but at the end of the day I could forgive the wait and even forgive not getting any new models if our codex is actually solid. If not though, hoo-boy, might be time to find a new army. And I think going forward that's the stance I need to take. Accept the lack of news or rumors, and just be patient. Being petulant isn't going to speed anything up.

meleti wrote:
The latest codex, Imperial Knights, is very powerful and changed the entire 40k competitive meta. Harlequins and Drukhari aren't far behind. Tau is a solid codex. The only one since Necrons that doesn't have high tournament representation is Deathwatch, and they're pretty decent too.

The Space Marines appearing in competitive lists are overwhelmingly Blood Angels (a December codex) and are exactly what you accuse the Thousand Sons of being, cherry picked characters like smash captains and Mephiston. There's also a very few Dark Angels armies (also a December codex). Guilliman armies have become increasingly rare in recent months, and represent a large share (probably a majority) of the remaining Codex: Space Marines lists.

It's almost like you're just cherrypicking facts to fit a narrative.

 Eonfuzz wrote:

Necrons got an average Codex.
Marines are still appearing within the top 10 in tournaments.
Imperial Guard are still one of the best Codexes.
Thousand Sons are average in every way other than certain characters and daemon princes.

What's this about later codexes being better and more rounded?

What is my narrative? If anything I'm trying to say "Theres been some bad codex and the creep isn't' as bad as it once was"

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Save for Grey Knights (those poor kids) the worst GW has given us is mid-tier. And Blood Angels and Death Watch are the top contenders of Marines in tournaments at the moment, so let's not pretend every kind of Marine is running the roost. Newest flavors of Marines are trumping older ones hands down.

The curve isn't as drastic as old editions, but that's not to say newer books aren't more solid with better internal balance and a wider array of good builds in them.

Agreed. I'm a bit worried that it'll be one of the worse codexes for the reasons I posted up above. The SW codex should however be telling (Have they learnt from Knights or over knee jerked)

 ClockworkZion wrote:
...and while Orks weren't doing well, it's not maliciousness that an army sucks, it's a misguided attempt to do what they think will be fun only to have it bite them in the ass when it turns out the community doesn't play the army that way.

I disagree, 7th edition ork codex and supplement were clearly not a failed attempt at making orks fun.

Every single model that has been somewhat decent in the old codex got a major nerf (lootaz, kanz, battelwagons, shoota boyz, etc...), many rules were clearly never used once in a playtest(Rolling 63 shots for flash gits one at a time, mandatory deep striking for 46-91 models, Thrakka rolling three additional warlord traits from a table which had only two that had any effect on him, etc, etc...) and supplement rules which were all downside, with every single formation inside forcing you to buy more models than you could reasonably field in 5th/6th.

So I'd say its somewhere between the malice of trying to force us into buying new models and not giving a grot's ass about the quality of what they were delivering.

That said, I agree with all your other points, there is no reason for so many ork players to act the way they do. The codex will come around.

Heard orks are coming in november. So, we're gona have rebalances around december. Meaning that we'll have around a month before the new year tourney. And by that time noone will know what good we have and to prepare any counters. Excellent.

 koooaei wrote:
Heard orks are coming in november. So, we're gona have rebalances around december. Meaning that we'll have around a month before the new year tourney. And by that time noone will know what good we have. Excellent.

That november comes from bogus rumour that was already shown to be flat out wrong by having tons of dates wrong.

Here's the thing: So far every time GW has released "these codexes next" those have come in quick succession from each other. People thought knights would be august with huge gap between previous two as well. Guess how that panned? They came in june. There's no reason whatsoever to think GW breaks that pattern now. September is where orks will come almost certainly. 8.9 for pre-order would be my guess.

So? Orks are coming. Be it november, december or january. It's soon.

Index rules weren’t bad through malice... they wrote rules for every single unit possible for all armies at once. Whilst still writing 7th supplements. No surprise that quality suffered.

And there’s no way they could “learn from Knights” because of print times. This will have been on a boat before Knights was released.

I hope Orks get a great Codex as inner teenage-me would secretly love to collect them again!

fe40k wrote:
Then GW announced Orks and Space Wolves codecii are coming next.

Yup, UK Games Expo seminar - I was in the room for it.

fe40k wrote:
Then, out of NOWHERE, and WITHOUT even announcing that they were in the works - GSC steal the Ork spotlight. The new boxed set is Space Wolves VS GSC, instead of SW vs Ork.

And then it gets worse - "New models are coming out soon!"; and then they go on to showcase Space Wolf new models (which is fine), but also new GSC models.

OK, this is false - no mention was made of a SW/Ork boxed set. No mention was made of a big boxed set, period.

Models were mentioned for SW & Orks, this is true.

But the only model shown in the seminar was the GSC Abberant with street sign - so we knew about them at the same time as the books.

We were also explicitly told that the GSC models were coming out ahead of their Codex, and that this was not to be seen as an announcement of the GSC Codex.

fe40k wrote:
Where the FETH are the Ork models? The Ork announcements? The Ork rumors and leaks?

Probably a week or two away - given GW usually operates on the 3 month preview window (most recently confirmed with the Titanicus Warhound not being seen at an event alongside the Warlord and Reaver, as it wasn't going to be out until over 3 months later), I doubt we're looking any later than early September - possibly 01/09/18, but I can't promise that (as I don't have any info beyond the seminar and extrapolation of previous trends to work with).

fe40k wrote:
Oh, right, they got shoveled into the remnants bin, like they've been since 3rd edition. Never forget that in an Index where everything is badly overpriced; GW didn't have 4000 points of Orks for Adepticon 8th edition.

Orks, the classic Space Marine rival, and one of the most iconic 40k races, who've been in the game since the beginning - Orks, don't have 4000 points.

Tell my why Orks should care about GW? Why?

I can't answer the 4,000 points thing - I'm not sure it wasn't someone in the web team coming up with a quick reason why Orks weren't an option, and communicating a false message.

I do think the Ork community needs to chill the feth down a bit, though - sure, Tooth & Claw is a surprise, and I can see why it wouldn't be a welcome one for you. But if we look at it as the reason for the release of the new GSC models - like Forgebane and the Armigers - then it isn't out of line with recent GW practise.

GW isn't out to get you - they do need to do a better line on taking a read of their audience, and definitely need to work on how they communicate things, but even they are not stupid enough to be deliberately taking a dump on a portion of the fanbase - they've learned from the SoB players, even when they didn't learn from the Squat fans...

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Index rules weren’t bad through malice... they wrote rules for every single unit possible for all armies at once.

I agree, the index was a genuine attempt at turning the terrible 7th edition codex into a decent army. The biggest problem of the index is that it assumed that many models were fine in 7th and translated them to 8th - they were basically polishing a turd.

I'm not at all upset about the GSC vs SW box set. The mere fact that we are now back in the 40k news cycle makes me happy. (I'm sorry, I can't take anymore AT stuff, I'm happy for everyone hyped for it though). Orks will probably be along shortly, maybe in September, maybe in Orktober.. Whichever the case any eventual new models will already have been made and the rules already written.

It's just a waiting game at this point. As soon as the codex is out we'll know if orks are viable or not. Then we can potentially get back to defeatism and/or constructive criticism

 ClockworkZion wrote:
So it's basically people getting self-hyped and then getting mad because GW is doing exactly what they should be doing and not pandering to them specially?

I mean, I'm not trying to be cruel here, I know the folly of getting on the hype train more times than I should have in the past, but I don't really see how any of this is GW's fault. "You guys are next" isn't a free pass to get leaks or news early, it's a notification that you're in the chute for the next codex releases and not much more. All this salt about not being told something you're not even supposed to be told about yet just reeks of self-entitlement to be honest.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Which invalidates every post crying about how we don't have info about where the Orks are. Of course we don't have info, they're not coming yet!

Have you joined this thread just to troll Zion? Because that's how it's coming across. Orks and Space Wolves were announced over 75 days ago as the next 2 codexes. Other codex announcements have followed with previews 1-2 weeks later. Do you see the difference there? We've had nothing for over 2 months. No model previews. No rule previews. Nothing.

I'll also remind you that GW have set themselves up for a fall here, no one else. They claimed they'd get "all codexes in our hands within a year of 8th dropping". They've broken this promise. They also built expectations with their general method of announcing codexes and then previewing after as I mentioned previously. Something else that they have radically changed only for these 2 releases.

You've also had some context from Semper (years of awful rules, no updates and general neglect), that you flat out ignored because apparently "Sisters have had it worse". Right. SISTERS ARE ALSO GETTING A COMPLETELY REVAMPED MODEL LINE. I think you'd find there would be less Orkish complaints if we had a similar promise.

I'd fething love to see your reaction if the same thing had happened with Thousand Sons. I would love to hear the amount of whining that would flow from that part of the community.

Stop trolling this thread, if you have nothing constructive to add and just want to insult Ork players, you don't belong here.

tneva82 wrote:
Pretty much yeah.

Pretty much no. See above.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

Have you joined this thread just to troll Zion? Because that's how it's coming across. Orks and Space Wolves were announced over 75 days ago as the next 2 codexes. Other codex announcements have followed with previews 1-2 weeks later. Do you see the difference there? We've had nothing for over 2 months. No model previews. No rule previews. Nothing.

They got previews for NEXT codex. Not for 2nd and 3rd.

You have point normally we would have got sooner wolf hints but for orks it matters not if they tease at wolves at june when ork teasers would start when orks are next, ie after wolves codex release which is, wait for it, 25th august. So earliest you would have got ork teasers is 26th anyway. And teasing wolves june, july and august would be silly. As would be teasing june and then nothing until release.

You did not get tyranid teasers when next was IG. Simple as that. GW teases NEXT codex in turn. But yeah orks are obviously special snowflake codex that deserves something other codexes didn't get because...reasons.

Yeah, everyone really needs to chill out. The level of paranoid, entitled screeching really seems to have kicked up a notch lately. The Codex is coming when it’s coming, and suggesting that GW are pursuing some sort of vendetta against Orks is just mental. Can’t wait for the Codex to contain a minor flaw that stops it being absolutely perfect, and all the whingers who’ve threatened to leave the hobby make good on that and piss off out of 40K.

 Nazrak wrote:
Yeah, everyone really needs to chill out. The level of paranoid, entitled screeching really seems to have kicked up a notch lately. The Codex is coming when it’s coming, and suggesting that GW are pursuing some sort of vendetta against Orks is just mental. Can’t wait for the Codex to contain a minor flaw that stops it being absolutely perfect, and all the whingers who’ve threatened to leave the hobby make good on that and piss off out of 40K.

I should stay out of this, but...

Thinking that GW is out to spite ork players with a bad codex is silly. On the other hand I think that the rules team lack the tools to make a good ork dex in 8:th. I think we will get a codex that caters for the tournament scene with a few strong builds but with a large number of models only fit for open play or removed completely.

The -1 to hit makes ork shooting almost impossible to balance against other armies.

 Nazrak wrote:
Yeah, everyone really needs to chill out. The level of paranoid, entitled screeching really seems to have kicked up a notch lately. The Codex is coming when it’s coming, and suggesting that GW are pursuing some sort of vendetta against Orks is just mental. Can’t wait for the Codex to contain a minor flaw that stops it being absolutely perfect, and all the whingers who’ve threatened to leave the hobby make good on that and piss off out of 40K.

"you need to chill out"
not everyone is born with the apparent patience of the gods. 2 whole months of no news after announcement is cruel when you consider how they handled the other codexs. now admittedly in the past when they announced 2 dexes the articles would start relatively close to each other, so now that SW are finally getting articles im expecting ork stuff soon too.

"its coming when its coming"
yes, many players are asking for "when codex", but i dont think thats the main issue here, its the fact of absolutely no ork related articles from GW that isnt imperial knight spank or showing off a fans collection. many of us are asking for articles to help "HYPE" us up, and when GW is so unwilling to do any of that it makes us think they are trying to downplay the release, and many will assume thats because the codex is going to be crap. the silence is disturbing.

"piss off out of 40K"
you dont have much sympathy do you? many players have been neglected by GW for so long that if this release is not perfect or even just good then that would be the final straw. players were dropping off at the neglect from 7th edition, and so it wouldn't be so hard to believe that many would contemplate dropping off this edition. and no, having many players drop out with their ork armies just hurts the hobby. years or months from now, when everyone plays tournament spank then all you would have to blame is yourself because you encouraged the players with fun and interesting lists to "piss off"