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A Kill Team expansion with Orks or another of their one-off board games would be perfect for plastic Kommandoz and Tankbustaz. Remember when Orks/Greenskins were everywhere and one of THE enemies in all sort of boxes? Those were the days. In general KT could be a good way to push out a variety of odd kits that needed an occassion for release, but I guess GW would rather use it as a terrain dump.


Koptaz as an ETB expansion would make sense as well. But releasing them as a kit in the first place (as well as Bloodhounds, Chosen, servitors, SoBs etc.)

Its also worth keeping in perspective here that, if the rumors are correct, we are looking at six or seven new kits (lowest would be five, if the squig wagon and trakk turn out to be multi-kits with one of the already seen buggies).

Even if it is five, this is the biggest xenos army model release since the relaunch of necrons. Bigger than the latest wave of Tau. Bigger than the latest wave of tyranids. Bigger than the GSC army release. Bigger than the Primaris Marines army release. And even if the Trike isn't a one-for-one replacement for the biker boss (spoiler alert, it is highly likely that it will be a mobile character with Waaagh in the HQ slot, just with different wargear...) all this stuff still exists in the index and we don't even know if it's being removed yet.

IMO we are likely to see the index-izing of the biker HQ options, possibly the big gunz, but I'd bet Nob Bikers stick around as there is technically 1 nob per three bikers in the biker kit.

 ceorron wrote:

rtb02 wrote:


Pedant.

He said they were hopefully gone. You said "Orks are getting the following removed". Very different statement and yours was baseless fear mongering.

Get rid of the generic stuff. Hangovers from third ed and not wanted.

It's not pedantic if it's true.

If you read the whole thread, big gunz, warboss/big mek/painboy/nobz on bike as well as kommandos/tankbusters are absolutely wanted,

People have these in their armies and so obviously don't want to see them go.

Alas for you it was wrong.

Things are wanted: true
You said big gunz were going: true

Is it a fact that big gunz are going? NO! Ergo you're talking nonsense and working on speculation.

My view is no issues getting rid of bug gunz but that's my pov. I don't speak for all.

Get back under your bridge...

I hope big gunz aren't gone. I have 3 that I built from lascannons, a zzap gun, a grot kit, foam board, toothpicks, plasticard and bases. I'm quite fond of them. Are they effective? feth no, zzap guns were crap in 5th ed, which is when I built them. Still cool though.
The no model = no rules policy doesn't make sense, especially when it comes to orks. They are the kitbash faction, so such a policy is anathema to them. I hope GW understands that...their legal team or whatever probably don't though, which is why such a stupid policy exists.

the_scotsman wrote:
Its also worth keeping in perspective here that, if the rumors are correct, we are looking at six or seven new kits (lowest would be five, if the squig wagon and trakk turn out to be multi-kits with one of the already seen buggies).

That's why the buggies will probably be 2 combo kits.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
Its also worth keeping in perspective here that, if the rumors are correct, we are looking at six or seven new kits (lowest would be five, if the squig wagon and trakk turn out to be multi-kits with one of the already seen buggies).

That's why the buggies will probably be 2 combo kits.

All three buggies we've seen so far have had entirely different kits. If you can pick out parts on them that appear to be shared, by all means pick them out, but earlier in the thread people were trying and failing to find shared features.

So, unless the buggies are three combo-kits, and the Squig buggy, Trakk buggy, and Trike are the three secondary kits, we're seeing at least four (can't see a buggy that combos to a building) and I think it's unlikely from what we've seen of the trike that it's a combo kit.

Aren't the engine air intakes the same on all of them? And the wheels of the Kustom boosta-blasta look like they're the same ones as on the Boomdakka snazz-wagon

PiñaColada wrote:
Aren't the engine air intakes the same on all of them? And the wheels of the Kustom boosta-blasta look like they're the same ones as on the Boomdakka snazz-wagon

The air intake on the engines of the boosta blasta and snazzwagon I can believe are the same (different angle, but they both appear to have a "lip" around the edge that is about the same shape) but the intake on the one with the heavy turret (forget what that one is called) is different.

The wheels are totally different between blasta and snazzwagon. There's a picture of the three of them together in the region of page 25 or so. They have different inner wheels and different tires.

If the dragracer and the snazzwagon do turn out to be dual kits, they're the most cunning dang dual kits I've ever seen in my life, as they only appear to share a single component that I can see. I could see them all having a shared undercarriage sprue and then everything exterior to that is on its own sprue, but that would be about it at the moment.

That'd be an idea I could definitely get behind though. We know how much mileage GW gets out of the rhino sprue.

Snazzguns all have the same core frame yet you can make dozens of combinations.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Snazzguns all have the same core frame yet you can make dozens of combinations.

Yep, could be, and we don't know how these buggies are going to be parceled out and kitted. We know theoretically Speed Freeks is going to have the three that have been shown plus 2 bike sprues and some small ork terrain, but we could be seeing a Helverin/Armiger situation where theyre all purchased separately and share an undercarriage sprue.

Ork players are more likely than most to kitbash/convert etc so GW will either want to go the easy build route with minimal spares in each box or enough shared parts that most stuff gets used up

If they do a shared chassis that's dressed up in multiple ways with loads of spares in the box it will mean lots of people making their own chassis as less money in

(i'd love to be proved wrong as that's just what i'd do)

the_scotsman wrote:

PiñaColada wrote:
Aren't the engine air intakes the same on all of them? And the wheels of the Kustom boosta-blasta look like they're the same ones as on the Boomdakka snazz-wagon

The air intake on the engines of the boosta blasta and snazzwagon I can believe are the same (different angle, but they both appear to have a "lip" around the edge that is about the same shape) but the intake on the one with the heavy turret (forget what that one is called) is different.

The wheels are totally different between blasta and snazzwagon. There's a picture of the three of them together in the region of page 25 or so. They have different inner wheels and different tires.

If the dragracer and the snazzwagon do turn out to be dual kits, they're the most cunning dang dual kits I've ever seen in my life, as they only appear to share a single component that I can see. I could see them all having a shared undercarriage sprue and then everything exterior to that is on its own sprue, but that would be about it at the moment.

That'd be an idea I could definitely get behind though. We know how much mileage GW gets out of the rhino sprue.

Well, to be completly honest I was just listing things from memory. The wheels of the kustom boosta-blasta and the boomdakka snazzwagon struck me as the same when we got to see the snazzwagon. Looking at it now I see that they're not. The airtintake on the snazzwagon and shokkjump buggies really seems to be the same part though. It'd be weird if they're not but so incredibly similar..

I reckon the speed freaks box set buggies are "easy build" kits with no customisation. That's based on how the wheels are integrated with the body on the red sprue - there's no real reason to do that if you want any modularity (and does seem to go against how "advanced" kits are done). They won't necessarily use parts from the modular kit.

The latest one we've seen might be from the advanced kit which also includes the parts to make the first two buggies as well in a non-easy-kit fashion.

 Daedleh wrote:
I reckon the speed freaks box set buggies are "easy build" kits with no customisation. That's based on how the wheels are integrated with the body on the red sprue - there's no real reason to do that if you want any modularity (and does seem to go against how "advanced" kits are done). They won't necessarily use parts from the modular kit.

The latest one we've seen might be from the advanced kit which also includes the parts to make the first two buggies as well in a non-easy-kit fashion.

We've seen sprues. Those are not "easy build" kits. The wheels look to be done the same way as the Genestealer Cult Goliaths.

rtb02 wrote:

 ceorron wrote:

rtb02 wrote:


Pedant.

He said they were hopefully gone. You said "Orks are getting the following removed". Very different statement and yours was baseless fear mongering.

Get rid of the generic stuff. Hangovers from third ed and not wanted.

It's not pedantic if it's true.

If you read the whole thread, big gunz, warboss/big mek/painboy/nobz on bike as well as kommandos/tankbusters are absolutely wanted,

People have these in their armies and so obviously don't want to see them go.

Alas for you it was wrong.

Things are wanted: true
You said big gunz were going: true

Is it a fact that big gunz are going? NO! Ergo you're talking nonsense and working on speculation.

My view is no issues getting rid of bug gunz but that's my pov. I don't speak for all.

Get back under your bridge...

Hey I like this bridge.

the_scotsman wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Snazzguns all have the same core frame yet you can make dozens of combinations.

Yep, could be, and we don't know how these buggies are going to be parceled out and kitted. We know theoretically Speed Freeks is going to have the three that have been shown plus 2 bike sprues and some small ork terrain, but we could be seeing a Helverin/Armiger situation where theyre all purchased separately and share an undercarriage sprue.

I think the main reason behind this is to help the orks avoid the rule of 3.

mhalko1 wrote:


I think the main reason behind this is to help the orks avoid the rule of 3.

Can Orks even count that high?

Weird boyz can count to ten multiple times, and all boyz can count up to thirty

 oomiestompa wrote:

mhalko1 wrote:


I think the main reason behind this is to help the orks avoid the rule of 3.

Can Orks even count that high?

Yup!
One, some, many.

In 4th ed it was one, two, three, four, five, many, lots, iirc.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
In 4th ed it was one, two, three, four, five, many, lots, iirc.

Still is. But don’t make the mistake the Imperium did and assume “lots” is any number higher than six; Orks actually just use base seven for some reason.

There's rumours that the Speed Freeks box has simplified versions of the true "buggy" kit, whatever that looks like. I think it was from Hastings.

He said that the Speed Freeks box had only 2 buggy options that were set while the actual kit would be the most customisable kit GW have ever made. Given the previews so far I think it's fair to say there are 2 "main" chassis for the buggies - the kustom boosta blasta/snazzwagon and the dragster. Presumably another, yet unreleased buggy will have the dragster chassis and the Squig thing might be a variation on the Wartrike? Which would be 2 or 3 new kits that make 6 unique models. Perhaps each buggy kit makes a dragster and boostablasta variant.

I would be very surprised if GW didn't release another Ghazzy soon though. Particularly if we're getting this monster Ork on Wartrike. They'll almost have to.

I reckon we're due a plastic boss and Weirdboy then we'd be golden.

TIL people arent just using the weirdnob shaman as their weirdboy for 40k orks.

the_scotsman wrote:
TIL people arent just using the weirdnob shaman as their weirdboy for 40k orks.

Lol guilty! But I only have one, because I cannot stand repeating models. He's pretty heavily converted too.

mhalko1 wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Snazzguns all have the same core frame yet you can make dozens of combinations.

Yep, could be, and we don't know how these buggies are going to be parceled out and kitted. We know theoretically Speed Freeks is going to have the three that have been shown plus 2 bike sprues and some small ork terrain, but we could be seeing a Helverin/Armiger situation where theyre all purchased separately and share an undercarriage sprue.

I think the main reason behind this is to help the orks avoid the rule of 3.

Except rule came in what? April. Too late to influence rules and most def model design...

Lead times. First codex that might account for that rule would be like next year

tneva82 wrote:

mhalko1 wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Snazzguns all have the same core frame yet you can make dozens of combinations.

Yep, could be, and we don't know how these buggies are going to be parceled out and kitted. We know theoretically Speed Freeks is going to have the three that have been shown plus 2 bike sprues and some small ork terrain, but we could be seeing a Helverin/Armiger situation where theyre all purchased separately and share an undercarriage sprue.

I think the main reason behind this is to help the orks avoid the rule of 3.

Except rule came in what? April. Too late to influence rules and most def model design...

Lead times. First codex that might account for that rule would be like next year

Its possible they might allow them to come in squads, counting as 1 unit similar to most IG vehicles

 Billagio wrote:

Spoiler:

tneva82 wrote:

mhalko1 wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Snazzguns all have the same core frame yet you can make dozens of combinations.

Yep, could be, and we don't know how these buggies are going to be parceled out and kitted. We know theoretically Speed Freeks is going to have the three that have been shown plus 2 bike sprues and some small ork terrain, but we could be seeing a Helverin/Armiger situation where theyre all purchased separately and share an undercarriage sprue.

I think the main reason behind this is to help the orks avoid the rule of 3.

Except rule came in what? April. Too late to influence rules and most def model design...

Lead times. First codex that might account for that rule would be like next year

Its possible they might allow them to come in squads, counting as 1 unit similar to most IG vehicles

Considering you can squad buggies in the index I expect that to stay the same. I do also expect all the buggies we've seen so far to be unique datasheets. Something about the phrasing of it makes it seem like different units rather than loadouts

 ceorron wrote:

rtb02 wrote:

 ceorron wrote:

rtb02 wrote:


Pedant.

He said they were hopefully gone. You said "Orks are getting the following removed". Very different statement and yours was baseless fear mongering.

Get rid of the generic stuff. Hangovers from third ed and not wanted.

It's not pedantic if it's true.

If you read the whole thread, big gunz, warboss/big mek/painboy/nobz on bike as well as kommandos/tankbusters are absolutely wanted,

People have these in their armies and so obviously don't want to see them go.

Alas for you it was wrong.

Things are wanted: true
You said big gunz were going: true

Is it a fact that big gunz are going? NO! Ergo you're talking nonsense and working on speculation.

My view is no issues getting rid of bug gunz but that's my pov. I don't speak for all.

Get back under your bridge...

Hey I like this bridge.

Thank you for your apology and acceptance what you stated was erroneous.

rtb02 wrote:


Thank you for your apology and acceptance what you stated was erroneous.

"Megatrakk Skrap-jet" - Confirmed to be a character-toting trike, the one shown in the background of the Buggy video.

This is from faeit.