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Hold on, what were the leaked Klan rules? I've been following the thread but completely missed that.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Hold on, what were the leaked Klan rules? I've been following the thread but completely missed that.

The Snakebites get 6+ feel no pain save as standard, the less cool Klans got some rules as well

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Every buggy is a distinct kit.

Source?

That seems pretty clear from the models themselves. Far too many different shaped pieces for those to not be distinct kits.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
I'm somewhat annoyed they want to increase the base size of Boyz models but not give us a new kit. No problem with them increasing the base size of them if they release a new kit but it's lazy and stinks of money grabbing to ask for one without the other.

E - there's a rumour of the Mek shop too which will be another kit. So 4 kits I reckon. Yea a Megaboss and Deffkoptas wouldn't hurt.

Other than the press pictures, where are we learning that they want boyz to be on 32mm bases?

Anyone bemoaning what we're getting is bonkers.

We're getting more brand new stuff than many factions combined.

The seen models are stunning. Assuming etb style pair in Speed freaks would mean you'd need freaks, 2 buggy boxes and the trike box for full set.

Excited is a gross understatement for how I'm personally feeling!

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Every buggy is a distinct kit.

Source?

 Vineheart01 wrote:
given how drastically different they all are i could see them being single kits.
Only two of them look like they MIGHT be using the same frame but everything else is different.

The rumour from Hastings said the Buggies are all ONE KIT (!) and it's super customisable, which would be incredible. Some parts of the buggies are identical, the intake for the engine is the best example, it's the same for each Buggy. I'm sure the engine parts themselves are the same bits either turned around or with different intakes too.

On the other side of the coin I can't see any Buggy that shares wheels, the weapons are all different, the Orks all different, the Grots all different, the armour plating etc etc etc.

I don't know now! Maybe one kit that builds any 2 Buggies?

Either way, it's our month, no harm hoping for more than less. Daemons of Nurgle got a fairly substantial update, it looks like Slaanesh are next. It wouldn't hurt for us to have a nice slice of update pie before xenos are forgotten for another year (and us for 5).

The engine intakes are different on each buggy too. The red one is stepped, the yellow one is smooth and the blue one has a skull on top and a hose out the back.

Gw have stated base sizes are optional so there isn't an issue there ..

 Inquisitor Kallus wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Every buggy is a distinct kit.

Source?

That seems pretty clear from the models themselves. Far too many different shaped pieces for those to not be distinct kits.

Well as my previous post I half agree but as you and I know, it's not what the rumour stated and some of the bits are definitely re-used. Not many in fairness but I don't think it's set in stone. GW have been doing some incredible work with their sprue and modelling production lately, this might be their Mona Lisa.

 hollow one wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
I'm somewhat annoyed they want to increase the base size of Boyz models but not give us a new kit. No problem with them increasing the base size of them if they release a new kit but it's lazy and stinks of money grabbing to ask for one without the other.

E - there's a rumour of the Mek shop too which will be another kit. So 4 kits I reckon. Yea a Megaboss and Deffkoptas wouldn't hurt.

Other than the press pictures, where are we learning that they want boyz to be on 32mm bases?

FLG Reece. I think GW have said that Boyz will now be packaged with 32s.

rtb02 wrote:
Anyone bemoaning what we're getting is bonkers.

We're getting more brand new stuff than many factions combined.

The seen models are stunning. Assuming etb style pair in Speed freaks would mean you'd need freaks, 2 buggy boxes and the trike box for full set.

Excited is a gross understatement for how I'm personally feeling!

Not everyone is a speed freek I guess? There are players who don't like or want to play with mechanised Orks. They are wrong and foolish, because we all know that Evil Sunz are the best except perhaps for Kult of Speed. But those oddboyz exist and I suspect they feel a little left out of this release.

rtb02 wrote:
Anyone bemoaning what we're getting is bonkers.

We're getting more brand new stuff than many factions combined.

The seen models are stunning. Assuming etb style pair in Speed freaks would mean you'd need freaks, 2 buggy boxes and the trike box for full set.

Excited is a gross understatement for how I'm personally feeling!

Yeah but who was really asking for five buggies? I'm hyped but really wanted Ghazghkull and some skarboyz.

 ImAGeek wrote:
The engine intakes are different on each buggy too. The red one is stepped, the yellow one is smooth and the blue one has a skull on top and a hose out the back.

Great spot! I wonder if they are the same core bit with additions though...the skull and the non-step I can imagine being additional bits we stick on to fill them out/differentiate them? Perhaps not though, I was going to say the front of them all looks identical but on closer inspection they aren't at all - there are chips on the front of the Dragster intake, the Snazzwagon is clean but has a rim and the Boosta Blasta is rimless.

Someone with better eyes than me tell me if they reckon any of the engine parts look reused, obviously the comparison is mostly between the Blasta and Snazzwagon.

Aren’t the sprues in “Speed freaks” the same, but the buggies on the back of the box are different?
I’ll bet on the rumor by Hastings about this kit being the most kustomizable.

SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:
Aren’t the sprues in “Speed freaks” the same, but the buggies on the back of the box are different?
I’ll bet on the rumor by Hastings about this kit being the most kustomizable.

They might be separate kits with lots of interchangeable bits. A bit like the genestealer cult guys being interchangeable with the skitarii and cawdor, I think.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
The engine intakes are different on each buggy too. The red one is stepped, the yellow one is smooth and the blue one has a skull on top and a hose out the back.

Great spot! I wonder if they are the same core bit with additions though...the skull and the non-step I can imagine being additional bits we stick on to fill them out/differentiate them? Perhaps not though, I was going to say the front of them all looks identical but on closer inspection they aren't at all - there are chips on the front of the Dragster intake, the Snazzwagon is clean but has a rim and the Boosta Blasta is rimless.

Someone with better eyes than me tell me if they reckon any of the engine parts look reused, obviously the comparison is mostly between the Blasta and Snazzwagon.

I can’t see any reused pieces on the engines, or anywhere else for that matter! If it is one kit, it’s gonna be huge, and really expensive for one model. I don’t see it.

Just chiming in on the number of new kits we'll see ...

On Warhammer community, they have now shown many new models (whether or not they are from the same kit does not matter much here, we got 5 new entries in the codex!): the buggies (4) and the boss on a trike.

But we are only at the very beginning of Orktober. Assuming the Speed Freaks is up for pre-order this coming Saturday, I do not see GW spreading the release of the individual buggies and the trike over three weeks without announcing any new model ...

Even with the rumored Mek terrain, it's still not going to keep GW and Warhammer community busy with Orks for the entire month. So color me hopeful or naively optimistic, but I think there might be something else for us Orks.

Now, on a slightly more pessimistic side: we've seen a few shots of Orks armies that show the new models ... but nothing that we did not know yet ... no hidden Prime-Ork or new tankbustas or new deffkoptas ... though we don't see either some of the current models.
I'm here referring to the army picture with the trike front and center and the warboss with squig slightly behind him. The army has Deff dread, Gitz, Kans, boyz, nobz, stormboyz, battlewagon, bikes, trukk, and burnaz ... but no tankbustas or deffkoptas ...

I understand the clamour for ghazkull. I'd rather have general units though over a special character.

Plastic tankbusters and kommandos would be nice granted.

A decent warboss kit/ model would be nice as the aobr boss and was-grukk are ok but could do with a megaboss.

It's time for the freaks' glory. We've had enough footsloggers. Dreads all good, flyboyz sorted too. Gw filling the most substantial gap and area of ancient kits

rtb02 wrote:
Anyone bemoaning what we're getting is bonkers.

We're getting more brand new stuff than many factions combined.

The seen models are stunning. Assuming etb style pair in Speed freaks would mean you'd need freaks, 2 buggy boxes and the trike box for full set.

Excited is a gross understatement for how I'm personally feeling!

Biggest xenos release kit-wise since the necron relaunch, yep. but no new boyz!

Boyz are probably one of the last kits in the ork range that need to be remade. They look very good even for today standards.

Ghazkull, and the resin special units are much more needed.

Yeah, I don't see why people want new boyz. Why would you change something that's perfect?

the_scotsman wrote:
Seeing the gretchin on the back makes me hope they go super hard on WYSIWYG for the buggies and it's got a Grot Blasta in addition to all its other guns, "baneblade has a lasgun" style.

I actually hope they don't get too crazy specific, as that can make customizing/kitbashing/scratch building a lot more difficult. For instance, if the molotovs they have on the Snazzwagon have special rules that are different from stikkbombs that would make swapping crew between different buggies a lot more difficult.

I worry that if we get a bunch of new vehicles with extremely specific loadouts that end up being overpowered and a bunch of abusive bandwagoners start running loads of poorly done conversions, proxies and/or "counts-as" we'll get a backlash against the hobbying potential for kitbashing and scratch building that drew many of us to orks in the first place.

There's a really good chance my fear won't come to pass. Hopefully the new buggies will have decent but not over-powered rules. I think it's not an entirely unfounded fear to have though.

I wondered why the Kill Team Ork Burna/Loota box came with 32mm bases instead of the usual 25mm, but now it makes sense, as it looks like they are planning 32mm for Orks in general.

Do we really think GW are going to add 6 SKU's to their Ork line for all those buggies?

Maybe instead of selling individual buggies they'll sell a big box of them and smaller bits can be swapped between the different chassis?

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Yeah, I don't see why people want new boyz. Why would you change something that's perfect?

I agree that the Boyz Kit is quite versatile and modular, but it does look very dated compared to the rest of the range. The earliest version of that exact sprue I have is trademarked 1997. So they're going on 21 years old and it shows. I was hoping for something a bit more updated with nicer sculpts and updated faces. I just can't imagine doing ANOTHER army of hunched over, squatting boyz, I was hoping for a revamp in line with the Ironjawz postures and level of detail. (Or at least at the same level of detail as the new orks.) Compare the newer orks here with the standard boy. Intricacy of clothing, armor, poses and especially faces is miles ahead.

All the shots so far only show old boyz, but they are judicial about what is included in these shots so I'm guessing all the rest of the new models (if any are coming) are under wraps for now. I am still holding out hope fr new boyz.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Do we really think GW are going to add 6 SKU's to their Ork line for all those buggies?

That's weird yes but seeing how different kits are alternative is 1 kit that gives you like 4 buggies. Imagine the price...fun if you want just 1 and need to pay 100e!

Edit oh and note how castellan/valiant and warglaive/helverin are separate kits. Armigers are particularcy annoying as 1 has knight household pads, other mechanicum so if you want unified look you need to basically collect two houses...

 Hive City Dweller wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Yeah, I don't see why people want new boyz. Why would you change something that's perfect?

I agree that the Boyz Kit is quite versatile and modular, but it does look very dated compared to the rest of the range. The earliest version of that exact sprue I have is trademarked 1997. So they're going on 21 years old and it shows. I was hoping for something a bit more updated with nicer sculpts and updated faces. I just can't imagine doing ANOTHER army of hunched over, squatting boyz, I was hoping for a revamp in line with the Ironjawz postures and level of detail. (Or at least at the same level of detail as the new orks.) Compare the newer orks here with the standard boy. Intricacy of clothing, armor, poses and especially faces is miles ahead.

Spoiler:

All the shots so far only show old boyz, but they are judicial about what is included in these shots so I'm guessing all the rest of the new models (if any are coming) are under wraps for now. I am still holding out hope fr new boyz.

Stroooooooongly disagree. Ironjawz don't just have different posture, they have different, less-Orc/ky anatomy, and for my money the newer faces have overly-pronounced pignoses and not nearly enough jaw, as well as in some cases having features that are too rounded. They're not all bad, but I like pretty much all of the classic Nelson style heads, where for the newer stuff I have to pick out a handful of decent ones and discard the rest.

Literally all they have to do to "fix" Boys, assuming they were to do a new version, is give them Nob-sized bodies while keeping the heads and hands the same size.

tneva82 wrote:
Edit oh and note how castellan/valiant and warglaive/helverin are separate kits.

That's an excellent point. I hadn't considered that. Those kits certainly share parts, but they have unique aspects that aren't repeated between kits.

That could occur with these buggies - some universal "buggy" frame, and then another frame that makes each one unique.

Other than bad teeth on one head I think the Boyz kit looks good.

The noses on some of the new sculpts don't bother me, but I think the teeth look a bit off and I don't like the more rounded features as much. Overall they are pretty small differences though, not something to get all worked up over.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Edit oh and note how castellan/valiant and warglaive/helverin are separate kits.

That's an excellent point. I hadn't considered that. Those kits certainly share parts, but they have unique aspects that aren't repeated between kits.

That could occur with these buggies - some universal "buggy" frame, and then another frame that makes each one unique.

In both cases arm weapons. In the bigger ones also top carapace though difference isn't huge. In case of smaller ones the shoulder pads etc and that's the infuriating situation as if you are strickler for looks you either need to buy 2 kits to get 1 kit in preferred style or have friend who collects the other look. Super annoying. I would gladly have payed bit more to have the both weapon/armour plate sprue in same box. Would allow magnetizing and give the household look of your preference for all armigers. Very player unfriendly decision by GW :-( Luckily orks shouldn't have THAT worry as they aren't as uniformed anyway.

With the buggies they are so different that pretty much only thing that looks might be shared would be the superstructure inside which would be covered by other parts. Would take players no time to figure how to get all buggies from one kit!

The Knights are 2 separate kits for money reasons alone. GW didn't want people to magnetise such an expensive kit so they split them into two. Its a purely commercial driven decision.

I think Orktober could see me starting an Ork army.

I love the vibe of the Speedfreaks game.

I need the Underworld Grots warband.

I want to play Orks in KT because the Kommando Bob looks so cool.

...and Gretchin are just too cute!

Anyway...what are the chances of a two-sided box set with Orks as one half? Or a battleforce?