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 Souleater wrote:
Anyway...what are the chances of a two-sided box set with Orks as one half? Or a battleforce?

Think for a while not much. Orks are getting heck of a lot stuff so yet another box set? We aren't marines!

Good news is the speed freak box will give you decent starter set anyway. If you can track down the kult of speed box that was on sale that would also be nice. And the start collecting orks COULD be good deal if the dreadnought gets help with the codex it needs(ATM dreads suck. Cool as hell, soft as paper, don't even hit that much)

 Souleater wrote:
I think Orktober could see me starting an Ork army.

I love the vibe of the Speedfreaks game.

I need the Underworld Grots warband.

I want to play Orks in KT because the Kommando Bob looks so cool.

...and Gretchin are just too cute!

Anyway...what are the chances of a two-sided box set with Orks as one half? Or a battleforce?

yeah, dont count on a 2side box set anytime soon, but heck, maybe when all codexs are out they will do more campaigns that focus on our forces and we might eventually get ghaz the primeork (rumors were unreliable for getting him with this release, the closest reliable rumor we had was unaware if ghaz got a new model or not).

anyway, back on topic. when i got into the hobby i was lucky with coming Across people who didnt want to continue their collections and i got a majority of my models from them for very cheap prices and some from sweet deals on ebay/amazon.

now that orks are about to get a codex those players who were selling their armies might try to "get them back", and so dont expect many online deals in the coming month or 2. if you can find them that is great, like i said, players have been selling their ork armies for a long while (treated poorly in 7th and waiting past a year for codex in 8th will do that).

if your thinking of doing speedfreeks themed lists then consider buying the speedfreak box 2 or 3 times (not only has new buggies but each box has 6 warbikers, and there's a good chance those could be good with the codex).

if you dont have any preference for a theme and want to be competitive with orks then wait till after the codex and see what is good or not then buy (though im not sure how long the speedfreeks box will be available).

The only real problem with the Boyz sprue is the lack of bits; The current sprue is contemporary with the Imperial Guard infantry squad sprues and the Space Marine tactical Squad kit from 3rd edition. Compare that Marine kit to the current Tactical Squad and that's the sort of improvement I'd like. Modular shootas, perhaps, so there's more variety there, or additional heads and bits of armour plate to make them look more Evil Sunzy (topknots, racing leathers), Goffy (scars, broken teef), Snakebitey (flamboyant hair squigs), etc.

Yeah the sprues are rather sparse for modern style.

But new boyz could result in lot bigger models so maybe this is better. We might have ork boyz on 40mm bases with bad luck!

But new accessory sprue with spare bits, new weapon option or two etc would be nice.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
The only real problem with the Boyz sprue is the lack of bits; The current sprue is contemporary with the Imperial Guard infantry squad sprues and the Space Marine tactical Squad kit from 3rd edition. Compare that Marine kit to the current Tactical Squad and that's the sort of improvement I'd like. Modular shootas, perhaps, so there's more variety there, or additional heads and bits of armour plate to make them look more Evil Sunzy (topknots, racing leathers), Goffy (scars, broken teef), Snakebitey (flamboyant hair squigs), etc.

Maybe compare them to actual new kits like Death Guard? If the kit gets redone, there will be less options, not more.

Since there seems to be a confusion about the number of kits:

#1 Red buggy


#2 Blue buggy


#3 Yellow buggy


#4 Silver buggy


#5 Warboss on trike:


#6 The rumor that called both the scrapjet and the snazzwagon also told us we would be getting Squig Buggies

7# The youtube video with the klan traits claims that there will be a mek workshop

I said what I'd like. But fine, the Intercessors rather than the Tactical Squad if you insist.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
I said what I'd like. But fine, the Intercessors rather than the Tactical Squad if you insist.

Looking at the intercessors sprue, I'm pretty sure that the ork boyz kit has more options than that.

No matter how I look I can't figure how those could be combo kits...Even tyres are unique for each vehicle. Drivers are different. Guns different. Shared parts would be super light so pretty sure with very little effort one kit would give all...And that GW would hate unless price of combo 4 kit is like 4x of solo kit.


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 Jidmah wrote:

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
I said what I'd like. But fine, the Intercessors rather than the Tactical Squad if you insist.

Looking at the intercessors sprue, I'm pretty sure that the ork boyz kit has more options than that.

Custodians then. 2-3 weapon option per model and character. Seems about comparable. Especially as with orks the rokkits/big shootas aren't real options anyway.

 Jidmah wrote:
Since there seems to be a confusion about the number of kits:

Spoiler:

#1 Red buggy
[spoiler]

#2 Blue buggy

Spoiler:

#3 Yellow buggy

Spoiler:

#4 Silver buggy

Spoiler:

#5 Warboss on trike:

Spoiler:

#6 The rumor that called both the scrapjet and the snazzwagon also told us we would be getting Squig Buggies[/spoiler]

7# The youtube video with the klan traits claims that there will be a mek workshop

This doesn't confirm how many kits? The rumour is that all the Buggies can be built from one super customisable kit AFAIK. This is why there is confusion, we're trying to work out if any of the Buggies have re-used bits that back this up.

tneva82 wrote:
Custodians then. 2-3 weapon option per model and character. Seems about comparable. Especially as with orks the rokkits/big shootas aren't real options anyway.

If you dig deep enough you will find a set that has more options, but not for a unit that has 11 model in the box and is fielded in unit sizes of up to 30.

Just the basic boyz sprues already have two options each, slugga&choppa or shoota, with one combination being left-handed. In addition there are some shoulder pads which used to be for 'ard boyz. You can combine shootas and choppas freeley.

The extra sprue has:
- a complete nob with two possible heads, klaw or choppa and something that might be a slugga or shoota, and a choice of two boss poles.
- two heavy weapon boyz with the choice of two torsos, two backpacks, three heads and either rokkit launcha or big shoota. Most commonly used to build tank bustas, so they are very "real options".
- Assorted bits for customization: Choppa, stikkbombs, tankbusta bombs, ammunition, glyphs, shoulder pads and a steel jaw to customize your boyz

In addition, the boyz kit is fully compatible with other plastic orks that are based on the very same models: burna/lootas, warbikers, crew from battlewagons, dakkajets and the runtherd. Heads, torsos and arms can freely be switched between all of them with no more effort than gluing them on..

Show me another kit that can do this.

I think the buggies are either all separate kits or it's a kit with two buggies that can build all three variants (meaning no more than one of each though). I think the scrapjet is an entirely different kit since it wasn't revealed in the same wave, same with the rumoured squig buggies.

You might be right; I was going by my experience of assembling the Orks from SW:A a few months ago. The sprues seemed emptier than the more modern kits. I suppose that could be because the torsos are big, solid lumps rather than the hollow pieces on Marines, and they can't increase the density without having flow issues.

Still, some clan-specific parts would be nice, as would making the hair squigs separate (and adding some hats for Blood Axes).

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
This doesn't confirm how many kits? The rumour is that all the Buggies can be built from one super customisable kit AFAIK. This is why there is confusion, we're trying to work out if any of the Buggies have re-used bits that back this up.

The rumor that called all the buggy names said there were three kits in addition to the four already spoiled by GW at that time.

The super-customizable buggy kit is from the same rumor that claimed Pime-ork Thrakka to be coming, which is getting increasingly unlikely at this point.

Also note that Hastings has been off in the past since he said himself that he sees models at very early stages, so they might have scrapped the original attempt, or have

Last, but not least, we have seen that the Boosta-Blasta (red buggy) and the Dragsta (yellow buggy) do not share a sprue at all in the speed freaks box.

Bottom line - expecting any more than squig buggies, a mek shop and maybe one more kit (because the mek shop might or might not be part of the 4+3 kits) is completely unreasonable if you take into account all data currently known.

 Jidmah wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
This doesn't confirm how many kits? The rumour is that all the Buggies can be built from one super customisable kit AFAIK. This is why there is confusion, we're trying to work out if any of the Buggies have re-used bits that back this up.

The rumor that called all the buggy names said there were three kits in addition to the four already spoiled by GW at that time.

The super-customizable buggy kit is from the same rumor that claimed Pime-ork Thrakka to be coming, which is getting increasingly unlikely at this point.

Also note that Hastings has been off in the past since he said himself that he sees models at very early stages, so they might have scrapped the original attempt, or have

Last, but not least, we have seen that the Boosta-Blasta (red buggy) and the Dragsta (yellow buggy) do not share a sprue at all in the speed freaks box.

Bottom line - expecting any more than squig buggies, a mek shop and maybe one more kit (because the mek shop might or might not be part of the 4+3 kits) is completely unreasonable if you take into account all data currently known.

Exactly. The four buggies and the Warboss trike revealed so far don't share any common parts if you take a closer look. They are all separate kits. That means you already get five new kits, plus the squig buggy and the mek shop. I wouldn't count on anything else, especially not on a new Ghaz, as the old model has been shown in a new photo.

I don't get why they "waste" five to six kits for new mono-build vehicles, when they could have done say two or three vehicle kits with alternate builds and customization, and then some other stuff instead, but that's the way GW rolls nowadays. All of the recent releases are pretty much mono builds/poses (e.g. Nighthaunts, whose Grimghast Reapers and Bladegheist Revenants could have easily made into one kit, or Namarthi Thralls and Reavers). They seem to favour unique poses and gear over modularity nowadays.

We do have to consider the possibility that the two Speed Freeks buggies do not get a stand-alone kit, and are just board game pieces that happen to have 40k rules (like the Rogue Trader teams).

 lord_blackfang wrote:
We do have to consider the possibility that the two Speed Freeks buggies do not get a stand-alone kit, and are just board game pieces that happen to have 40k rules (like the Rogue Trader teams).

Sure, that's possible. But I think it's more akin to Forgebane and standalone Armigers. Meaning the standalone kit for those two buggies will get released like 6 months later

 stahly wrote:
They seem to favour unique poses and gear over modularity nowadays.

"Modularity leads to kitbashing. Kitbashing leads to 3rd parties. 3rd parties... leads to suffering!" - Yoda, GW Marketing Manager.

tneva82 wrote:
No matter how I look I can't figure how those could be combo kits...Even tyres are unique for each vehicle. Drivers are different. Guns different. Shared parts would be super light so pretty sure with very little effort one kit would give all...And that GW would hate unless price of combo 4 kit is like 4x of solo kit.

I cannot find any repeats across them either, not even parts turned around or reversed.

So either they've completely hoodwinked us, of there really are 5 (or 6) unique kits.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
We do have to consider the possibility that the two Speed Freeks buggies do not get a stand-alone kit, and are just board game pieces that happen to have 40k rules (like the Rogue Trader teams).

Odds of that: Near zero. Why on earth GW would NOT use those for later to sell more models...If they were just for box set(which is likely simple one off game anyway...) the customer base would be lot smaller for those...

Also from community:

Next up is Codex: Orks itself. The book features bespoke rules for the six major Ork clans, dozens of powerful and thematic Stratagems to use in battle, a selection of wazzy psychic powers and updated datasheets – including all the new wagons that feature in Speed Freeks

 lord_blackfang wrote:
We do have to consider the possibility that the two Speed Freeks buggies do not get a stand-alone kit, and are just board game pieces that happen to have 40k rules (like the Rogue Trader teams).

Or, more likely, their initial release is in the boxed game and they get split out later on once that sells through, so that people will spend a chunk of cash in one go. Standard GW MO.

PiñaColada wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
We do have to consider the possibility that the two Speed Freeks buggies do not get a stand-alone kit, and are just board game pieces that happen to have 40k rules (like the Rogue Trader teams).

Sure, that's possible. But I think it's more akin to Forgebane and standalone Armigers. Meaning the standalone kit for those two buggies will get released like 6 months later

Not neccessarily that long. Warglaives came out in like 2-3 months on their own.

tneva82 wrote:

PiñaColada wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
We do have to consider the possibility that the two Speed Freeks buggies do not get a stand-alone kit, and are just board game pieces that happen to have 40k rules (like the Rogue Trader teams).

Sure, that's possible. But I think it's more akin to Forgebane and standalone Armigers. Meaning the standalone kit for those two buggies will get released like 6 months later

Not neccessarily that long. Warglaives came out in like 2-3 months on their own.

Yeah, it certainly could be sooner. I think in my mind I meant within 6 months but reading the sentence that's not at all what I said haha

Do we think Ghaz getting a new kit is now a very long shot?

Regardless of the kit layout, I don’t see many buggies remaining in the set format for long. Ork players being what they are, hacksaws will be wielded with gusto to produce ‘Frankenbuggies’ before you can say Waaaaaargh!

 Jidmah wrote:
The rumor that called all the buggy names said there were three kits in addition to the four already spoiled by GW at that time.

The super-customizable buggy kit is from the same rumor that claimed Pime-ork Thrakka to be coming, which is getting increasingly unlikely at this point.

Also note that Hastings has been off in the past since he said himself that he sees models at very early stages, so they might have scrapped the original attempt, or have

Last, but not least, we have seen that the Boosta-Blasta (red buggy) and the Dragsta (yellow buggy) do not share a sprue at all in the speed freaks box.

Bottom line - expecting any more than squig buggies, a mek shop and maybe one more kit (because the mek shop might or might not be part of the 4+3 kits) is completely unreasonable if you take into account all data currently known.

I know only of the Hastings rumour regarding kits. The rumour that gave us the names of the units did not mention how many kits we'd be getting AFAIK? I don't believe they've seen any new kits, they were guessing what would be a new model based on what has a new name in the codex.

I think those who would like more are green-tide and foot Ork players primarily. This release is quite literally perfect for me, but I still maintain it's a cheek for GW to expect us to use new bases on existing models for which we have hundreds of models. Either do new models (not that they're needed for Boys, I agree) and new bases or do neither. New bases without new models is bogus.

 Ratius wrote:
Do we think Ghaz getting a new kit is now a very long shot?

For now yes. There would be some inclinations if there was. For example if it would be noticably bigger than present model it would be represented by rules by having more wounds yet the rule leaks we have got mentions no super boosted Ghazz rules. Leakers would likely note if he had got significant stat change especially since that would be tell-tale sign of new model...

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
The rumour that gave us the names of the units did not mention how many kits we'd be getting AFAIK? I don't believe they've seen any new kits, they were guessing what would be a new model based on what has a new name in the codex.

True, but the point remains that more new pictures of old Thrakka keep popping up and hastings claimed that there would be a new kit for him. Maybe there will be, but not for this release.

Honestly, the only old kit remake that would not surprise me is a plastic kopta. Many other armies are still sitting on their metal to failcast units, so I don't think those are on high priority to be replaced at all.

I also noticed that the KFF mek will get its point updates even without a new model - the SAG big mek will be in the codex, and the point costs for KFF will stay with the MA big mek, the morkanaut and the wazzbom blastajet. Due to the flowchart, you'll still be able to buy a KFF for your non-MA big mek.

I think those who would like more are green-tide and foot Ork players primarily.

Footslogger players could get huge boosts for their armies by some tweaking of the rules. If nobz became a little cheaper, they could run on foot alongside boyz thanks to their ammo runts, the Waaagh! banner nob is a brand new entry from the index and the rumored gretchin stratagem could make units like flash gits, burnas or tank bustas into viable options for them.
Not to mention, I couldn't think of a footslogging unit that wouldn't be redundant with something we already have.

This release is quite literally perfect for me, but I still maintain it's a cheek for GW to expect us to use new bases on existing models for which we have hundreds of models.

How about not crying about the sky falling before it actually comes closer for once?
If ITC really doesn't care for rebasing boyz (I don't take rvd's word for it), I doubt anyone else will. I have just played a against a tiny daemon prince of khorne on a square base this sunday, no one cared. Well, except we called him "little guy" and made calls to Khorne in squeaky voices all game and it was hilarious

Either do new models (not that they're needed for Boys, I agree) and new bases or do neither. New bases without new models is bogus.

To be fair, the bases have always been too small for most ork models. Especially for lootas, it's impossible to put them in base contact to each other, and burnas are little better. As long as you are in no way forced to rebase your army, it's a net gain. I hope GW is sensible enough about the issue of re-basing hundreds of orks to not make a dumb decision on this.

 Jidmah wrote:
How about not crying about the sky falling before it actually comes closer for once?

Flips table. Throws laptop in bin. Burns house down. Cries on street in ashes of once-house.

 Jidmah wrote:
To be fair, the bases have always been too small for most ork models. Especially for lootas, it's impossible to put them in base contact to each other, and burnas are little better. As long as you are in no way forced to rebase your army, it's a net gain. I hope GW is sensible enough about the issue of re-basing hundreds of orks to not make a dumb decision on this.

GW and sensible decisions are not to be used in the same sentence in an Ork thread!

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
Since there seems to be a confusion about the number of kits:

Spoiler:

#1 Red buggy
[spoiler]

#2 Blue buggy

Spoiler:

#3 Yellow buggy

Spoiler:

#4 Silver buggy

Spoiler:

#5 Warboss on trike:

Spoiler:

#6 The rumor that called both the scrapjet and the snazzwagon also told us we would be getting Squig Buggies[/spoiler]

7# The youtube video with the klan traits claims that there will be a mek workshop

This doesn't confirm how many kits? The rumour is that all the Buggies can be built from one super customisable kit AFAIK. This is why there is confusion, we're trying to work out if any of the Buggies have re-used bits that back this up.

I guess the question I have on that is literally just "how"? It's not just the bits that look totally unique, it's the general size and shape of the buggies as well. The Scrapjet and the F1 racer looking one have COMPLETELY differing body shapes. I could buy maybe the snazzwagon and the other turreted one being a combo but just barely.

Most likely is Hasting heard of initial plan which later changed or whoever told him either had misunderstood a bit or told in a confusing manner.

Either way it's pretty safe bet that those are all mono kits. Wonder if same vehicle has ANY options or will all look same without scratchbuilding...