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**jhnbrg**

Ld 6 and no mob rule? I wonder how morale will work in the codex.

**tneva82**

Kirasu wrote:
Looks pretty terrible.. GW seems to not have learned how to value ork shooting, still.

Same # of shots as BS3+ weapons but with BS5+ for a similar cost. Assault 2D6 is 1 wound (before saves) vs a vehicle at 0AP and 1D.

Boom Squig should have just auto hit as on average you're getting 1 whole hit.

Umm you look at anti infantry weapon and complain it\s only 1 wound vs vehicle?

"My space marine heavy bolter causes only 0.6666 wounds before saves vs knights! It sucks!"

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jhnbrg wrote:
Ld 6 and no mob rule? I wonder how morale will work in the codex.

Vehicles rarely have any worry about morale anyway. 1 dies, you lose another on 6. That's if you even have more than 1 in squadron which looks like it might not be case. Depending on price you might not WANT more than 3 in the army so can run them on solo models anyway.

And mob rule wouldn't do much help anyway. 3 models < LD6

**Vineheart01**

technically yes it would help because mob rule also shares with nearby units.
They'd be LD30 if a full strength boy squad was close enough.

**jhnbrg**

tneva82 wrote:
Kirasu wrote:
Looks pretty terrible.. GW seems to not have learned how to value ork shooting, still.

Same # of shots as BS3+ weapons but with BS5+ for a similar cost. Assault 2D6 is 1 wound (before saves) vs a vehicle at 0AP and 1D.

Boom Squig should have just auto hit as on average you're getting 1 whole hit.

Umm you look at anti infantry weapon and complain it\s only 1 wound vs vehicle?

"My space marine heavy bolter causes only 0.6666 wounds before saves vs knights! It sucks!"

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jhnbrg wrote:
Ld 6 and no mob rule? I wonder how morale will work in the codex.

Vehicles rarely have any worry about morale anyway. 1 dies, you lose another on 6. That's if you even have more than 1 in squadron which looks like it might not be case. Depending on price you might not WANT more than 3 in the army so can run them on solo models anyway.

And mob rule wouldn't do much help anyway. 3 models < LD6

Do you even play orks?

Every vehicle scuadron has mob rule, if mob rule is out and ld is still 6 dont you think that is odd?

**the_scotsman**

beerbeard wrote:

- This is probably the slowest one. The race cars must be faster.

What I like to call the "Dark Eldar Method" of showing one thing to be fast by making other things in the same book slower, and ignoring how fast other things in other codexes go.

So the "slow buggy" is Leman Russ speed while the "fast buggy" will be...I dunno, probably 14".

**Kanluwen**

the_scotsman wrote:
beerbeard wrote:

- This is probably the slowest one. The race cars must be faster.

What I like to call the "Dark Eldar Method" of showing one thing to be fast by making other things in the same book slower, and ignoring how fast other things in other codexes go.

So the "slow buggy" is Leman Russ speed while the "fast buggy" will be...I dunno, probably 14".

There's also the possibility of rules that make it so Advancing "always" grants a certain distance or it can advance+fire with no penalties, etc.

**JimOnMars**

Boom squig + grot gunner gives 2 st6 hits at ap-1, marginally worse than a drukari raider with DC, and is not a transport, but it is tougher.

The crew squig launcher mostly misses, not worth much there.

It should be significantly less than 80 points of a raider with DC...55 or so would be about right. 60 would be OK.

**PiñaColada**

I'd imagine the kustom boosta blasta is the fastest (not factoring the weird jumps the shokkjump dragsta most likely will have access to).

I doubt the Kustom boosta blasta is faster than a warbike meaning 14" as of right now. Hopefully they're bumped up to 16" though

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JimOnMars wrote:
Boom squig + grot gunner gives 2 st6 hits at ap-1, marginally worse than a drukari raider with DC, and is not a transport, but it is tougher.

The crew squig launcher mostly misses, not worth much there.

It should be significantly less than 80 points of a raider with DC...55 or so would be about right. 60 would be OK.

If it's 60 points we should count our lucky stars IMO. I doubt it'll be priced that low, even though it might not be worth much more than that. It's quite durable at that price point though

**Dakka Flakka Flame**

OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Do you really get to pick what squigs to fire from your launchers?

or in true Ork tradition will it be random for each shot (as an old skool ork gamer I don't actually mind random, but that is going to impact on how useful this is going to be and how you'll want to use it

Maybe something like you can choose to shoot only once in which case you get to pick your squig, or you can choose to shoot twice but you fire random squigs and there's a chance to botch the whole thing?

I don't mind random as long as it is pointed appropriately. GW often seems to point random things as if the best result always happens, but maybe they'll do a better job this time?

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As far as movement goes, one thing I like about 10" on the Squigbuggy is that it matches the movement of Squiggoths in case we want to do some more primitive conversions. Considering its weapons (if the playtester leak is accurate) I also don't think a 10" movement is a big disadvantage.

I do hope the other buggies are faster. I could easily see the Kustom Boosta Blasta, the Shokkjump Dragsta and maybe the Megatrakk Scrapjet having special rules when it comes to advancing that make them extra-fast.

**the_scotsman**

PiñaColada wrote:
I'd imagine the kustom boosta blasta is the fastest (not factoring the weird jumps the shokkjump dragsta most likely will have access to).

I doubt the Kustom boosta blasta is faster than a warbike meaning 14" as of right now. Hopefully they're bumped up to 16" though

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JimOnMars wrote:
Boom squig + grot gunner gives 2 st6 hits at ap-1, marginally worse than a drukari raider with DC, and is not a transport, but it is tougher.

The crew squig launcher mostly misses, not worth much there.

It should be significantly less than 80 points of a raider with DC...55 or so would be about right. 60 would be OK.

If it's 60 points we should count our lucky stars IMO. I doubt it'll be priced that low, even though it might not be worth much more than that. It's quite durable at that price point though

Or they could give the ork bikes the same Turbo-Boost advance of every other bike unit in the game, instead of having them move 14" then pick up their bikes and run with them D6" for an advance.

**Kaiyanwang**

ManTube wrote:
Based on those stats I'd be reluctant to pay even 70-75 points for the squig buggy. It kind of reminds me of the wazbom blasta jet; a bunch of individually weird and wacky little rules that combined together do.... not that much. The weapons have very weird generalist stats for all of them, with profiles that are only ok against very rare types of units. Grotesques, Ogryns, maybe a few types of tyranid gribblies. The squig mines are another type of cute little nuisance that I wouldn't really count on doing much, especially since orks are an assault army so leaving behind mines is not really useful when you are running towards the enemy.

While the speed freeks rules release seems to be pretty game-specific, I hope the shokkjump dragsta keeps that teleporting positional type ability in 40k. If priced appropriately, I could see that ind of power being very useful depending on when it activates. Might be able to function as a jump-shoot-jump kind of ability. Or, if it doesn't end up with the "deploy outside of 9 inches" rule, it might be good for popping up behind screens to snipe characters or shoot backfield tanks before charging them with its mini-deff rolla and shutting down their shooting for a turn while it falls back. the size might make this kind of tactic difficult though.

I just really hope the dragsta is good because it's definitely my favorite of the buggies (partially because I play badmoons, but also because it just looks really crazy and cool).

The plan is to hope they got 1 model right out of 6. Then the other 5 buggies will "count as" that model.

**TedNugent**

It sounds pretty neat, but yeah the damage output mathematically doesn't come out to much and it sounds like a lot of annoying dice rolls, including multiple sets of shot, hit and damage rolls for each wacky gun. Different ranges and profiles depending on the range, too. It's like 5 units worth of weapon profiles and rolls for what amounts to less than a dead MEQ per turn.

Weird.

**the_scotsman**

TedNugent wrote:
It sounds pretty neat, but yeah the damage output mathematically doesn't come out to much and it sounds like a lot of annoying dice rolls, including multiple sets of shot, hit and damage rolls for each wacky gun. Different ranges and profiles depending on the range, too. It's like 5 units worth of weapon profiles and rolls for what amounts to less than a dead MEQ per turn.

Weird.

Assuming you get that perfect "get to 6" without advancing, unload and charge" you get...lets see...

1.11 dead meqs from shooting (using the D3 shot profile) and .6666 from melee.

So roughly 2 dead meqs. That is a lot of die rolling for that lol.

**nflagey**

Maybe that buggy is more aimed at other shirtless units ...

**rtb02**

Stuff the maths. Doesn't play out that way usually.

**the_scotsman**

nflagey wrote:
Maybe that buggy is more aimed at other shirtless units ...

It's better at killing MEQ than GEQ (eyyy what else is new). 1.85 dead GEQ from the launchers plus .684 from the rando extra shooting crap, then about 1 kill from melee.

12 points of GEQ per turn assuming perfect conditions. Not exactly inspiring.

**gungo**

The squig mine might be decent if the squig mine can move like a tankbusta squig...

That’s about the only good thing I can say about this buggy and I hope this is the cheapest buggy points wise.

**PiñaColada**

gungo wrote:
The squig mine might be decent if the squig mine can move like a tankbusta squig...

That’s about the only good thing I can say about this buggy and I hope this is the cheapest buggy points wise.

I seriously doubt the squig mine moves at all once its placed. The rules for it would seem odd then I think..

I do sort of wonder if the buggy only has one shotgun on it or several. I'm guessing it could just be one but if it's one for every ork crewmember it's a bit better, although hardly great

**Sal4m4nd3r**

I know people who have hands on the codex. Boys are 7ppm. I am 100% certain.

**TedNugent**

Sal4m4nd3r wrote:
I know people who have hands on the codex. Boys are 7ppm. I am 100% certain.

Is there any compensation for the points increase?

**ceorron**

Sal4m4nd3r wrote:
I know people who have hands on the codex. Boys are 7ppm. I am 100% certain.

Are 'ard boyz still in?
Can warboss/mek/painboy take bike?
Are kannons/lobbaz/zzapp gunz still an artillery choice?

**Sal4m4nd3r**

They wouldnt tell me gak. Because they dont want to get in trouble. But when I said I bet GW raised the price of boys to 7ppm.. well lets just say they are the worst fething liars and basically admitted it.

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TedNugent wrote:
Sal4m4nd3r wrote:
I know people who have hands on the codex. Boys are 7ppm. I am 100% certain.

Is there any compensation for the points increase?

probably being able to use strategems and get clan rules is why they went up in price.

**Tibs Ironblood**

Not impressed with that statline, but hey if the points are right then it can work. Point are everything in a point based balancing system so we shall see.

7 point boys are fine if they are increasing points for mooks across the board. If it's just a nerf to Ork boys to try and force other playstyles without making other playstyles better I'll likely just sell all my orks.

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Sal4m4nd3r wrote:
They wouldnt tell me gak. Because they dont want to get in trouble. But when I said I bet GW raised the price of boys to 7ppm.. well lets just say they are the worst fething liars and basically admitted it.

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TedNugent wrote:
Sal4m4nd3r wrote:
I know people who have hands on the codex. Boys are 7ppm. I am 100% certain.

Is there any compensation for the points increase?

probably being able to use strategems and get clan rules is why they went up in price.

Paying more points because you get access to the same rules (stratagems and clan rules) when no one else did (and often went down in points) makes me want to fling a table and listen to emo music on youtube as a write sad poetry.

**geargutz**

Sal4m4nd3r wrote:

probably being able to use strategems and get clan rules is why they went up in price.

lets be sure this conversation doesn't go of the rails from this statement. its been talked half to death on either side if a 7ppm is worth the clan traits or other things.

as far as the squig buggy
it would make sense that it only goes 10inches. it is snakebites, the least tech savy of the clans. we are lucky the could get the thing moving without cutting out the floor and using their feet "flinstones style"(note to self, convert a squigbuggy to do that). its hvy amount of wounds is its survivability and its impressive range for its tshirt cannons makes it more of a gun platform. while it is focused around killing infantry its mines can cordon off a part of the board for imperial knights who might not want to get any unnecessary mortal wounds.

**TedNugent**

Makes kommandos, nobs and grots seem a lot more enticing.

Boys aren't a good fit at 7 points. Trying to understand where they got that idea in their head.

The only thing would be teleportation strategems combined with a warboss and evil Suns making turn 2 charges coming in from reserves a practical guarantee.

**Tibs Ironblood**

TedNugent wrote:
Makes kommandos, nobs and grots seem a lot more enticing.

Boys aren't a good fit at 7 points. Trying to understand where they got that idea in their head.

The only thing would be teleportation strategems combined with a warboss and evil Suns making turn 2 charges coming in from reserves a practical guarantee.

At least 7 point boys would make blood axe kommandos a lot more appealing. For two points you would essentially be buying a 4+ armor save against shooting which is nice.

(Gotta find something positive from this.)

**TedNugent**

Kommandos with a 4+ through the blood axe clan trait, free burnas and 6" movement range with the option to show up anywhere 9" away on turn 2 are no brainers compared to 7 point boys. Unless the trukks went down in price, I'm just getting some grots.

7 point boys didn't make any sense in 7th, they didn't perform, I don't see this being different.

Kind of irritates me because I wanted to go evil Suns green tide with kombi skorchas and mob up, painboys and warboss.

But this is the no brainer at this point if they stay at 9 ppm.

6+ armor saves are kind of garbage.

**Ammo Pouch**

Ammo Pouch wrote:
Kommandos no longer available on GW site, does this indicate new Kommando kits inbound?

Kommandos have now disappeared from online store altogether..

**Ghaz**

Ammo Pouch wrote:
Ammo Pouch wrote:
Kommandos no longer available on GW site, does this indicate new Kommando kits inbound?

Kommandos have now disappeared from online store altogether..

Kommandos were on 25mm bases and may just be receiving 32mm bases.

**nflagey**

He meant they are not at all on the website anymore ... not just "sold out"