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 Sal4m4nd3r wrote:


probably being able to use strategems and get clan rules is why they went up in price.

Those are free so it's flat out nerf

 Red Corsair wrote:
How funny is it that the squig mine as leaked seems to work verse super sonic fliers lol. It wouldn't be hard to mine the board in front of their flight path and do a crap load of mortal wounds.

I actually think the squig mine is better then people would guess. It has fun application for board control using the buggies to block movement in one areas after they have mined off another. I mean, the fact that a unit just has to have moved near it and not end it's move within 3" makes it pretty easy to use. As others have already said, this thing is going to be made or broken on cost.

I think it'd be fun if you could shoot mine squigs from the launchers, like you can spore mines from biovores. The Squig mine looks to be exactly like spore mines at this moment if the leak is true.

 TedNugent wrote:
Makes kommandos, nobs and grots seem a lot more enticing.

Boys aren't a good fit at 7 points. Trying to understand where they got that idea in their head.

The only thing would be teleportation strategems combined with a warboss and evil Suns making turn 2 charges coming in from reserves a practical guarantee.

Assuming other stuff doesn't go up in price. If kommandos and stormboyz don't go up as well internal balance is sooooo off that it's not even funny. No reason to not load up on those before boyz. Then again that's so bad internal balance it sounds just like GW. Let's sell more expensive stormboyz(lucky I just converted some myself from boyz) and kommandos(time to convert those too) rather than boyz.

And the teleport strategem sounds like one unit so you need to pay that CP twice to get both warboss and boyz there.

(besides warboss not needed. You can't advance once teleport so no need for warboss)


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 Sal4m4nd3r wrote:
the change to 32s is the change I am MOST pissed about. I have 250 ork boys...180-200 of which are fully painted. Now I have to spend more on bases then actual models on release..AND I just made 4-5 30 slot 25mm movement trays to pack all 30 boyz within 9" for max kff efficiency.

So don't rebase. GW doesn't require it so why should you go out of your way for extra effort and money? Somebody complains just ignore that TFG.


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geargutz wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:


Shh. no. look at all those guns! Look at all the names those guns have! Look at all the statlines! There's no possible way this thing could have less damage output than a double...storm bolter...oh.

Oh right, ork shooting suuuuuuuuuuuuucks.

grenades and shootss are 0pt upgrades, was talking to a Friend and the shotgun in other armies costs nothing. that dakka is free.

You realize that just because weapon has cost "0" doesn't mean it's actually free? Or do you seriously try to claim volcano cannon is really free?-) If you check the codex it has price "0" in it...

tneva82 wrote:

Yes i play but since vehicles are effectively immune to morale anyway don't worry about irrelevanties. Think i have lost 1 killa kan to morale ever. Either they walk in squadrons of 1(be ld0 for all i care), they get totally splattered or pass the ld when they lose that 1 anyway. Rolling 6 is unlikely.

Making mountain out of anthill

I think you are missing the point, this is the first leaked unit and unlike the index the new buggies seems to lack mob rule. It might mean nothing and it might mean a change in ork morale, I think it is worth pointing out.

Too little facts to start making assumptions.

edit: Not to mention we haven't even seen the RAW datasheet yet.

tneva82 wrote:


You realize that just because weapon has cost "0" doesn't mean it's actually free? Or do you seriously try to claim volcano cannon is really free?-) If you check the codex it has price "0" in it...

so, does that mean the stick bomb cost is added to a boy, or the price of the shoota? in 7th the shoota costed 1pt, do you mean to say that boys incorporated the price of the shoota when they made it into 8th?
or maybe, just maybe the shoota is costed as exactly 0pts and has no influence on the boyz price (pre codex, for all we know GW could make it cost 1pt again, but as it is it is exactly 0pts).

a zero pt upgrade is simply a zero pt upgrade. and while many 0pt upgrades/wargear have their cost added to the model. there are plenty that seem to not have any influence on the models final price.

geargutz wrote:

tneva82 wrote:


You realize that just because weapon has cost "0" doesn't mean it's actually free? Or do you seriously try to claim volcano cannon is really free?-) If you check the codex it has price "0" in it...

so, does that mean the stick bomb cost is added to a boy, or the price of the shoota? in 7th the shoota costed 1pt, do you mean to say that boys incorporated the price of the shoota when they made it into 8th?
or maybe, just maybe the shoota is costed as exactly 0pts and has no influence on the boyz price (pre codex, for all we know GW could make it cost 1pt again, but as it is it is exactly 0pts).

a zero pt upgrade is simply a zero pt upgrade. and while many 0pt upgrades/wargear have their cost added to the model. there are plenty that seem to not have any influence on the models final price.

Riiiiight. So you think if GW would make leman russ with volcano cannon that's leman russ chasis+0 pts?

You clearly don't understand how the price of weapons etc are worked out...Even GW isn't stupid enough to think volcano cannon and lasgun are worth same despite both costing 0 pts according to end of codex point costs.

tneva82 wrote:


Riiiiight. So you think if GW would make leman russ with volcano cannon that's leman russ chasis+0 pts?

You clearly don't understand how the price of weapons etc are worked out...Even GW isn't stupid enough to think volcano cannon and lasgun are worth same despite both costing 0 pts according to end of codex point costs.

so, answer me this oh one who knows all, does the lemon russ have access to the volcano cannon?

edit"ill admit, what i just asked doesnt make much sence. but what im trying to say is that i dont doubt that the shadowsword has the price of the volcano canon. but i also argue that such insignificant upgrades like the stick bomb and shoota are not added to the boy because their effects in the game are often so minuscule that they are worthless (or cant be costed without going into numbers belore 1 but not 0 {like 0.5 pts for a shoota}) and GW gives them to the boy for free. im not denying what you said about that example, but i am saying your wrong because your dealing with an absolute.

 Red Corsair wrote:
How funny is it that the squig mine as leaked seems to work verse super sonic fliers lol. It wouldn't be hard to mine the board in front of their flight path and do a crap load of mortal wounds.

I actually think the squig mine is better then people would guess. It has fun application for board control using the buggies to block movement in one areas after they have mined off another. I mean, the fact that a unit just has to have moved near it and not end it's move within 3" makes it pretty easy to use. As others have already said, this thing is going to be made or broken on cost.

Given that it is a 3" radius circle that you have to place 3" away, and flyers are allowed to pivot 90 degrees before they move, I think you might have a hard time finding a location to put it where the flyer can't just pivot and go a different way.


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geargutz wrote:

tneva82 wrote:


You realize that just because weapon has cost "0" doesn't mean it's actually free? Or do you seriously try to claim volcano cannon is really free?-) If you check the codex it has price "0" in it...

so, does that mean the stick bomb cost is added to a boy, or the price of the shoota? in 7th the shoota costed 1pt, do you mean to say that boys incorporated the price of the shoota when they made it into 8th?
or maybe, just maybe the shoota is costed as exactly 0pts and has no influence on the boyz price (pre codex, for all we know GW could make it cost 1pt again, but as it is it is exactly 0pts).

a zero pt upgrade is simply a zero pt upgrade. and while many 0pt upgrades/wargear have their cost added to the model. there are plenty that seem to not have any influence on the models final price.

Yes. The price of the Choppa/Slugga or Shoota is absolutely factored into the cost of an ork boy.

They're 0 point upgrades because they're considered to have roughly the same benefit to the boy. The cost of the shoota is giving up the attack from the choppa to get the range and extra shot. The cost of the choppa is giving up the shoota.

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 Sal4m4nd3r wrote:
the change to 32s is the change I am MOST pissed about. I have 250 ork boys...180-200 of which are fully painted. Now I have to spend more on bases then actual models on release..AND I just made 4-5 30 slot 25mm movement trays to pack all 30 boyz within 9" for max kff efficiency.

So don't rebase. GW doesn't require it so why should you go out of your way for extra effort and money? Somebody complains just ignore that TFG.

I will have to in order to play in tournaments, which is what I enjoy.

If everyone could pick ONE unit to be dope what would it be? Like really good, pointed exactly right. STRONG but not OP...like a ROCK SOLID choice... which unit is it??

For me.. Burna boyz! Nothing is more orky then driving in a rickety ready to explode vehicle with a ready to explode at any moment chem tank on your back, with the sole intention to set as much gak on fire as possible... and sometimes a few enemies to!

Another Speed Freek article about Da Kustom Boosta-blasta:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/10/16/16th-oct-speed-freeks-da-kustom-boosta-blastagw-homepage-post-3/

 Redemption wrote:
Another Speed Freek article about Da Kustom Boosta-blasta:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/10/16/16th-oct-speed-freeks-da-kustom-boosta-blastagw-homepage-post-3/

Hmm, the only thing I really got out of that is that the rivet kannon is indeed an anti-tank weapon and that at least in this game, those tusks on the front are actual weapons. Still, I didn't even expect an article today so that's more than I hoped for

geargutz wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:


Shh. no. look at all those guns! Look at all the names those guns have! Look at all the statlines! There's no possible way this thing could have less damage output than a double...storm bolter...oh.

Oh right, ork shooting suuuuuuuuuuuuucks.

grenades and shootss are 0pt upgrades, was talking to a Friend and the shotgun in other armies costs nothing. that dakka is free.

I suppose when you put your car in for a service and the service includes a "free" valet you think that is free too?

There's a big difference between "free" and "included in the price"

The free valet that comes with a car service is included in the price.

The crew guns on this unit, are included in the price.

PiñaColada wrote:

 Redemption wrote:
Another Speed Freek article about Da Kustom Boosta-blasta:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/10/16/16th-oct-speed-freeks-da-kustom-boosta-blastagw-homepage-post-3/

Hmm, the only thing I really got out of that is that the rivet kannon is indeed an anti-tank weapon and that at least in this game, those tusks on the front are actual weapons. Still, I didn't even expect an article today so that's more than I hoped for

There is some possibly useful info in there. River cannon has 12in range does 2 damage 3 shots and sounds like it has decent armor penetration with a special rule that rerolls def die maybe reroll successful armor saves?
The scorchas have 6in range and 2+ to hit.

And a bunch of other rules that may not translate over

gungo wrote:

PiñaColada wrote:

 Redemption wrote:
Another Speed Freek article about Da Kustom Boosta-blasta:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/10/16/16th-oct-speed-freeks-da-kustom-boosta-blastagw-homepage-post-3/

Hmm, the only thing I really got out of that is that the rivet kannon is indeed an anti-tank weapon and that at least in this game, those tusks on the front are actual weapons. Still, I didn't even expect an article today so that's more than I hoped for

There is some possibly useful info in there. River cannon has 12in range does 2 damage 3 shots and sounds like it has decent armor penetration with a special rule that rerolls def die maybe reroll successful armor saves?
The scorchas have 6in range and 2+ to hit.

And a bunch of other rules that may not translate over

I'm unsure if we can take any of those stats at face value. Yesterdays picture of the shokkjump dragsta datasheet has a rokkit launcha on it but in the speed freeks game it has 12" 2 shots D2 and can reroll 1 attack. Point is those stats are certainly pretty different from regular 40k and I'm not sure if we can even try and make educated guesses from the datasheets

The rivet cannon sounds like ork melta. We can't know how the range converts until we get more leaks.

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I'd say the range will be different from Speed freaks to 40k. Makes sense that on the Track environment of Speedfreeks the ranges are all less than 24.

 JimOnMars wrote:
The rivet cannon sounds like ork melta. We can't know how the range converts until we get more leaks.

I'm personally hoping for a sort of Frag Cannon... together with the Skorcha and the front spikes hopefully being a servicable melee weapon it would be an excellent anti-MEQ/TEQ platform. If the Rivet Kannon is indeed anti-tank it needs to be at the very least a 2-shot weapon with Ork BS because there doesn't appear to be a Grot Gunner on the thing.

 Sal4m4nd3r wrote:
I will have to in order to play in tournaments, which is what I enjoy.

Only in those tournaments which require it. It's unlikely to be a universal rule. And if the tournaments around you do use such a rule, it would be worth trying to discuss it with the TO before you go and actually re-base everything.

If everyone could pick ONE unit to be dope what would it be? Like really good, pointed exactly right. STRONG but not OP...like a ROCK SOLID choice... which unit is it??

I don't want any one unit to be solid. I want an army with a bunch of useful options.

 Nuclear Mekanik wrote:


I suppose when you put your car in for a service and the service includes a "free" valet you think that is free too?

There's a big difference between "free" and "included in the price"

The free valet that comes with a car service is included in the price.

The crew guns on this unit, are included in the price.

funny you should say that because i got my cigarette lighter fixed yesterday and it was free.
also, for a counter example, if the burna is 0pts then is its price calculated into the cost of the komandos?
my main argument is the effectiveness of the sticksquig and shotgun are soo minimal that they would be somewhere worth 0.5 pts and thus at most might cost in total maybe a single point. you guys seem to be blowing the incompetence of GW out of proportion.
yes, they do make mistakes, but they aren't that ignorant that they will add any significant cost to the squigbuggy for a normal grenade and a wpn worse then a shoota.

Maybe someone already pointed this out but I just noticed, it looks like the Kustom Boosta-blasta driver is a cybork. It appears he has exposed metal neck vertebrae. I hope they have a proper cybork entry in the codex this time.

Dont know if someone has pointed it out before, bu the kommando kit is currently unavailable, so its probably one of the new kits that havent been announced yet.

I cannot even find it in both Spanish and UK stores.

I think Orks need new Tankbustas more than anything.
Everything about them looks weird and out of proportion.
And not in an Orky way, they just look crap.

the_scotsman wrote:

 Marklarr wrote:
Why would anyone need the squig buggy to go faster? It has a 36” range for almost all gunz. Badmoons for the win with this buggy

Because it pays for 2 6" range small arms and 4 WS4+ S6 AP-1 melee attacks.

You're nuts if you think this thing is gonna be fairly priced to sit around in the backfield lobbing shots at 36" range. GW is going to price this sucker like you're driving up 6" away, unloading and charging every turn.


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 Nym wrote:
So... These Squigbuggy stats are quite average. In order to be payable it needs to cost less than 70pts since it's basically weaker than a Rhino with double Stormbolter and has no transport capacity.

60-65pts would be spot on I think. So it will probably be 90...

Shh. no. look at all those guns! Look at all the names those guns have! Look at all the statlines! There's no possible way this thing could have less damage output than a double...storm bolter...oh.

Oh right, ork shooting suuuuuuuuuuuuucks.

Well the only thing I see worthwhile being within 6” of anything is the one off Squig mine, but then I see the vehicle getting tied up in Cc and I’m not really impressed with the CC stats personally, as for the other short range weapons.....meh to them.

It also pays for all of its 36” range weapons, which won’t work in combat. Let’s just hope it has the ability to fall back and shoot! That will make this it much better in my eyes as it’ll give the buggy the option to be aggressive with pushing forward with it.

https://spikeybits.com/2018/10/breaking-new-40k-ork-speed-freeks-rules-spotted.html

Have you guys seen this? Leaked Kustom Boosta-blasta rumours
Assuming the picture is to be trusted:

The rivet kannon seems sweet
FOUR burna exhausts? 4D3 auto hits is a big deal imo
Grot blasta being S4?
Potential mortal wounds on the charge is always nice
Speed Mob ability is still unknown
Only 12" move is a bit less than I hoped for. I thought it'd be 14/16 but 12 is still pretty fast

and 5 power points ... how does that convert, roughly, to regular points?

PiñaColada wrote:
https://spikeybits.com/2018/10/breaking-new-40k-ork-speed-freeks-rules-spotted.html

Have you guys seen this? Leaked Kustom Boosta-blasta rumours
Assuming the picture is to be trusted:

The rivet kannon seems sweet
FOUR burna exhausts? 4D3 auto hits is a big deal imo
Grot blasta being S4?
Potential mortal wounds on the charge is always nice
Speed Mob ability is still unknown

I have a feeling that the S4 is a typo, but that'd be an interesting buff to grots, making their shooting more potent when they actually ever get to fire them. I'm really glad the Rivet Kannon actually has a flat 6 shots, it give me hope that they'll be fixing some of the guns like the Deffstorm Mega-Blasta to have a more consistent amount of shooting. When your BS is only 5+, you really need the higher end of the dice rolls to ever make use of weapons.


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 nflagey wrote:
and 5 power points ... how does that convert, roughly, to regular points?

If I remember correctly, PL is roughly the number times 20. So it's 100, but it's not always a direct translation due to upgrades and all.

 nflagey wrote:
and 5 power points ... how does that convert, roughly, to regular points?

Both a squad and Ogryns and a Tzaangor shaman are 5PL, they're both 90 points so I'm guessing it sort of has to fall in the 80-100 point area

wacherax wrote:
Dont know if someone has pointed it out before, bu the kommando kit is currently unavailable, so its probably one of the new kits that havent been announced yet.

I cannot even find it in both Spanish and UK stores.

Still available here

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/Ork-Tankbustas?_requestid=13520326

https://www.games-workshop.com/de-DE/Panzaknakkaz-der-Orks