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For New Zealanders, Mighty Ape have it for NZD$254.99 - $42 discount but still feels overpriced https://www.mightyape.co.nz/product/warhammer-40000-speed-freeks/28470139 - sadly, it's unlikely to be cheaper elsewhere down here :(

 Clang wrote:
For New Zealanders, Mighty Ape have it for NZD$254.99 - $42 discount but still feels overpriced https://www.mightyape.co.nz/product/warhammer-40000-speed-freeks/28470139 - sadly, it's unlikely to be cheaper elsewhere down here :(

So is there some sort of tax or import issue that leads to these massive prices in NZ/AU?

 Togusa wrote:

 Clang wrote:
For New Zealanders, Mighty Ape have it for NZD$254.99 - $42 discount but still feels overpriced https://www.mightyape.co.nz/product/warhammer-40000-speed-freeks/28470139 - sadly, it's unlikely to be cheaper elsewhere down here :(

So is there some sort of tax or import issue that leads to these massive prices in NZ/AU?

I think its largely a "because we can" tax, since GW can shut down a lot of the grey channel imports to Oz & NZ through contracts with suppliers they can get away with it.

Likely aware the eBay type domestic resellers simply are unlikely to make a huge dent in the supply so basically they can charge what they want, they obviously get enough sales at this price point otherwise it would have been changed

Based on the US price for two boxes of bikes, we are left with $67.50 US to cover the two buggies, terrain, and the game. The buggies should easily come in at around $35-40 each and the terrain will likely go for $30 at least.

It does wind up being a savings over expected retail but if you already have bikes like most of us do then it's less of a value because you're not likely to offload those bikes for anything close to what you'd buy them for.

Was quite hyped for orktober at first but lost the love totally now for some reason

pismakron wrote:
The new boxes could be twice as expensive and I would still buy two of each. GW got me by the balls. I am a total junkie

Shush, don't give them any ideas!

$40 for 3 bikes was never a reasonable price to begin with

 TedNugent wrote:
$40 for 3 bikes was never a reasonable price to begin with

And yet some people bought them by the dozen. I personally bought all my bikers on Ebay for dirt cheap I think I have 35ish Warbikes and I maybe spent 100 to $125 USD for them.

as for the Box set for this game....as I said, I have 35 warbikes...why the feth would I buy the box set when half the cost (at least) is tied into 6 new warbikes that I will never be able to use in games because the most you can have is 36.

Anyway...fingers crossed GW does justice to their own hype....Calling this new Codex "THE BEST ORK CODEX EVER!"

 TedNugent wrote:
I won't lie, it annoys me that warbiker nobs can't take kombis.

Does the kit come with kombi-weapons to give them?

When the codex doesn't include a wargear option that was in the index, are we going to still be able to use the index wargear until the next version of the rules drops?

Yes, that's what the designer's commentary says.

Good, because I just modeled my first nob with a kombiskorcha lol.

Coh Magnussen wrote:
Good, because I just modeled my first nob with a kombiskorcha lol.

I wouldn't worry about units like that since the nob kit does actually include a kombi-skorcha. We need to worry about units that DON'T have a model, like KMB's on Killa Kanz and Deff Dreads, all of our characters on bikes, regular meks with KFF's (I think there MAY be a model for that, not sure), things like that.

Theres an old model for mek with KFF, but apparently its not on the site anymore.
Which i find weird because they still sell the other "was metal now finecast" stuff.

They better not remove that one unless they FINALLY give our vehicles access to it anyway. Always bugged me that the Morkanaut was the ONLY nonmek to have a KFF, when it makes more sense to strap it to a BW than an ork's back...

Coh Magnussen wrote:
Good, because I just modeled my first nob with a kombiskorcha lol.

If you have any models that are index only entries, or have index wargear, I would not expect them to be valid in about a year. Just based on how GW has operated over the past 20 years, models that no longer have rules and are based on kit bashes, or oop models, disappear as options with time.

blaktoof wrote:

Coh Magnussen wrote:
Good, because I just modeled my first nob with a kombiskorcha lol.

If you have any models that are index only entries, or have index wargear, I would not expect them to be valid in about a year. Just based on how GW has operated over the past 20 years, models that no longer have rules and are based on kit bashes, or oop models, disappear as options with time.

That's exactly why I am angry they wrote the Kannon, Zapp and lobba off instead of keeping them as an option for the entry.
This index thing will disappear, then
The big guns entry and may be the whole FW ork range vehicules with these weapons are hence deleted from use in the game:
how much can we use these pdf they released with rules for the OOP items?

gungo wrote:

 Hive City Dweller wrote:
Say what you will, the price is fairly reasonable for what you get in the box. If you get Bikes from GW each box of 3 costs $40. So two boxes add up to $80. If each of those new buggies costs $35 (reasonable for new items) then they add up to $70. So at that point the stuff is worth $150 not accounting for the terrain, the game board, rule-book or gaming accessories.

I get that it's frustrating to have to buy all of it, but chances are good the buggies will be available separately in the future.

No one is claiming the price isn’t accurate.. the issue is unlike nearly every box set there is no discount... so if I wasn’t really in the need for new warbikers or really into convincing people to play one off games. This is a hard pass.. I’ll just pick up the buggies I want when they go in preorder and the terrain when it goes on preorder and If i need more scatter terrain.

I have 10 warbikers I don’t really need more. I would have picked up the boxsex if it was 125-135....as that would mean at least one box of war bikes are free and a good discount

I suspect buggies are 40-50 which gives discount. And hard to say no discount when we don#t know price of buggies


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 lord_blackfang wrote:

gungo wrote:
No one is claiming the price isn’t accurate.. the issue is unlike nearly every box set there is no discount...

No, the really worrying part is that there almost certainly is a discount, which would mean that GW prices the new buggies a lot higher than what we're used to.

Well buggies are new units lot bigger. Surely no-one thought we would get new buggies at price of old?


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 TedNugent wrote:

 Hive City Dweller wrote:
Say what you will, the price is fairly reasonable for what you get in the box. If you get Bikes from GW each box of 3 costs $40. So two boxes add up to $80. If each of those new buggies costs $35 (reasonable for new items) then they add up to $70. So at that point the stuff is worth $150 not accounting for the terrain, the game board, rule-book or gaming accessories.

I get that it's frustrating to have to buy all of it, but chances are good the buggies will be available separately in the future.

$40 for 3 bikes is excessive.

The old battleforce (of which I own two) included 3 bikes, a truck and 20 boys for $100. Bundles include discounts to account for the fact that you are buying in bulk and may be getting things in the bundle you didn't necessarily want to buy.

You can afford for the margins to be lower on a bulk sale due to the higher price point.

Umm you don#t put discounted price of unit before factoring in further discount. You look what they are individially.


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SemperMortis wrote:

 TedNugent wrote:
$40 for 3 bikes was never a reasonable price to begin with

And yet some people bought them by the dozen. I personally bought all my bikers on Ebay for dirt cheap I think I have 35ish Warbikes and I maybe spent 100 to $125 USD for them.

as for the Box set for this game....as I said, I have 35 warbikes...why the feth would I buy the box set when half the cost (at least) is tied into 6 new warbikes that I will never be able to use in games because the most you can have is 36.

Anyway...fingers crossed GW does justice to their own hype....Calling this new Codex "THE BEST ORK CODEX EVER!"

Well you aren't then market for it. Or you sell unneeded. Just like every discount box where you don#t want all. Either you want all, you sell which you don#t or you don#t get discount


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 Vitali Advenil wrote:

Coh Magnussen wrote:
Good, because I just modeled my first nob with a kombiskorcha lol.

I wouldn't worry about units like that since the nob kit does actually include a kombi-skorcha. We need to worry about units that DON'T have a model, like KMB's on Killa Kanz and Deff Dreads, all of our characters on bikes, regular meks with KFF's (I think there MAY be a model for that, not sure), things like that.

Prettv sure kan's have kmb. I suck at kitbashing yet have kmb kans.

Both Kan and dread kits contain kmb...

2 and 1 respectively

tneva82 wrote:

Well buggies are new units lot bigger. Surely no-one thought we would get new buggies at price of old?

Knowing GW, I admit I expected this. But I still feel like a buggy should be in the same price bracket as a Land Speder, not a main battle tank.

... so black fortress (40k heroquest) is getting being listed as fully operational in the upcoming weekend (this 24-25Nov) at WHW in UK ... that gives at least two weeks before that date (assuming pre orders are set on the same weekend) ... two weeks for either new kommandoz or gsc

 aracersss wrote:
that least two weeks before that date (assuming pre orders are set on the same weekend) ... two weeks for either new kommandoz or gsc

Or blood bowl team, Necromunda gang, shadespire bands, or more Kill teams things..

mortar_crew wrote:

blaktoof wrote:

Coh Magnussen wrote:
Good, because I just modeled my first nob with a kombiskorcha lol.

If you have any models that are index only entries, or have index wargear, I would not expect them to be valid in about a year. Just based on how GW has operated over the past 20 years, models that no longer have rules and are based on kit bashes, or oop models, disappear as options with time.

That's exactly why I am angry they wrote the Kannon, Zapp and lobba off instead of keeping them as an option for the entry.
This index thing will disappear, then
The big guns entry and may be the whole FW ork range vehicules with these weapons are hence deleted from use in the game:
how much can we use these pdf they released with rules for the OOP items?

All three of them are part of the Battlewagon kit (well, lobba is on the upgrade frame), so the weapons themselves should still be in the codex. So, in theory, you should be able to take the base cost of the mek gun + cost of the Battlewagon weapon to have an unofficial way of fielding the old guns, regardless of what happens to the index. Of course at that point it seems really petty of GW, not to have just included the rules for models that pretty much every Ork player already has.

zamerion wrote:

 aracersss wrote:
that least two weeks before that date (assuming pre orders are set on the same weekend) ... two weeks for either new kommandoz or gsc

Or blood bowl team, Necromunda gang, shadespire bands, or more Kill teams things..

Exactly, a lot of people seem to be holding out hope for something else. It might happen of course but at this point, surely it's pretty unlikely. I guess it's possible that because a new tankbusta/kommando kit wouldn't require new stats in the codex really it's possible that it slipped past the playtesters leaking stuff. This is assuming they make a box that contains the exact same loadouts as the existing box which seems unlikely IMO. They'd probably add some extra gubbins in there to try and sell new boxes and that stuff would show up in the new codex.

We still (maybe?) have the mek shop on the horizon. If it's done in the same style/compatible/actually made up of the terrain in the speed freeks box it could be a cool model. It seems like a the previews of the SF box are gushing about how good that terrain is and how it isn't properly picked up by the cameras unpainted

Edit: We'll probably get an article about the codex or the other new buggies today right? Would that be around 6PM british time?

GW said we will see a big campaign like Gathering Storm for 40k next year. This time all major factions seem to be involved / already taking part in the Vigilus conflict. I assume there could be releases like a plastic Ghazhgkull and other updated models like Abbaddon plus some new faction Codices with new models for The Lost and Damned, World Eaters and Emperors Children throughout this campaign.

I love orks but “orktober” has been a huge dissapointment

Literally the only thing I’m looking forward to now is some much needed points reductions in my current army,

Trucks going from 5 to 3 powerlevel makes me happy though.

Guyver 3 wrote:
I love orks but “orktober” has been a huge dissapointment

Literally the only thing I’m looking forward to now is some much needed points reductions in my current army,

Trucks going from 5 to 3 powerlevel makes me happy though.

The trukk discount is exciting but I've seen some poeple saying it's going to drop basically 40 points because of the 2 PL change and that's not going to happen IMO. From my understand of PL it should've been 4PL, not 5. Since it costs either 82 or 85 points depending on equipment and that falls into the 4PL range of 70-90 points. So it seems like it's going to be getting a discount but it might be a bit smaller than some people expect. The new point range should therefore be 50-70 points.

I think (total speculation) that it's going to cost 58 points with the big shoota and I'm guessing the wrecking ball is unchanged in cost.

PiñaColada wrote:

Guyver 3 wrote:
I love orks but “orktober” has been a huge dissapointment

Literally the only thing I’m looking forward to now is some much needed points reductions in my current army,

Trucks going from 5 to 3 powerlevel makes me happy though.

The trukk discount is exciting but I've seen some poeple saying it's going to drop basically 40 points because of the 2 PL change and that's not going to happen IMO. From my understand of PL it should've been 4PL, not 5. Since it costs either 82 or 85 points depending on equipment and that falls into the 4PL range of 70-90 points. So it seems like it's going to be getting a discount but it might be a bit smaller than some people expect. The new point range should therefore be 50-70 points.

I think (total speculation) that it's going to cost 58 points with the big shoota and I'm guessing the wrecking ball is unchanged in cost.

I agree it won’t suddenly be 35 points or anything but any points drop in my truck army is a good thing.

Imo it’s insane that a trukk is more points than a rhino while being worse in almost every way, that should have been spotted immediately but I don’t want to get into the crazy points cost of ork units in this thread.

Hope the Truck becomes viable, have one built and two unbuilt here, ditto a pair of unbuilt battlewagons, points drop of any sort warmly welcomed - even if its the base vehicle is cheaper with the upgrades being more expensive.

Expect the Big Shoota to drop in cost, its currently somewhat ridiculous, you could actually make it a zero cost option, anything that can take it is limited in how many so its not like you can spam them and with Ork ballistic skill its if anything a downgrade on an ork boy - especially if boyz become more expensive having it a zero or low cost makes sense.

hoping the new buggies are decently cheap in points (though then likely boosted early next year or maybe even in CA2018) but to be honest can;t see buying them anyway

I’d bet good money will get the points wrong and address them in chapter approved

Guyver 3 wrote:
I’d bet good money will get the points wrong and address them in chapter approved

Not taking that bet, this is a near certainty, that or a day one FAQ on a couple of points that make you wonder if anyone bothered to read it before it went to the printers