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So I'm really eyeing Da Vulta Sqwad box on GW, but I have two questions:

1) will I have to take a certain Klan to run the HQ?

2) are storm boyz going to be worth taking?

 godswildcard wrote:
So I'm really eyeing Da Vulta Sqwad box on GW, but I have two questions:

1) will I have to take a certain Klan to run the HQ?

2) are storm boyz going to be worth taking?

1) Yes, Zagstrukk is a Blood Axe nob.

2) Probably not, but wait for the codex to be sure.

 davou wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 davou wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Is there any other unit where you don't have access to the base model, and they HAVE to take a heavy weapon option with no way to swap it out?

Devastators, noisemarines, broadsides?

Oh, you mean Tactical Marines, Chaos Marines and Crisis Suits? Because those are more or less the generic versions of those models.

By that logic, I could say that a warboss/nob is just a generic version of a big mek, or that boys are just smaller generic versions of nobs. You just want to complain, and it doesn't matter what your subject happens to be

Lore wise you're kinda not wrong. They are all versions of each other.


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 Jidmah wrote:

 godswildcard wrote:
So I'm really eyeing Da Vulta Sqwad box on GW, but I have two questions:

1) will I have to take a certain Klan to run the HQ?

2) are storm boyz going to be worth taking?

1) Yes, Zagstrukk is a Blood Axe nob.

2) Probably not, but wait for the codex to be sure.

Zagstrukk is a goff yah git!

Any info whether Koptas are still in the dex?

the_scotsman wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 vim_the_good wrote:
Pre-order done.
I was thinking though. I don't like the idea of a base on the new buggies. Would this be a problem if I left them off?

Prepare for modeling for advantage cries

Honestly the bases on these things have the same problem that biker bases on warbikes have: Games Workshop hasn't figured out that in order for a model to stay glued to a base, it really should have little flat spots on the bottom of the wheels for contact, and it REALLY REALLY shouldn't have spikes/knobbles on the bottoms of wheels to reduce the contact area even further to .00001mm.

I finished gluing my boosta-blasta, left it overnight to dry, picked it up the next day to look at it and the base just fell off. I ended up having to put greenstuff under the wheels to get it to stick.

tbh though I'm perfectly fine with having a base on them for gameplay. for a vehicle that wants to tie things up in melee in its spare time, I want a big ol base.

That's annoying part yeah. But thing is not having base is advantage so mfa accusations will be likely at tournaments

SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:
Any info whether Koptas are still in the dex?

they are, the points cost is floating around

SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:
Any info whether Koptas are still in the dex?

Yes, and they at least have Kopta Rokkits and big Shootas still.

Word is not out as to whether they lose access to killsaws and kmbs.

They definitely lose BigBomm.

So, deffkoptaz, MSU Death Skulls or Evil Suns?

i'll probably be dusting off my AOBR koptas as BadMoonz Rokkit Platforms lol

since Kanz dont get kultures for some stupid reason....

i can see why some people would be miffed about the loss of BigBomm but personaly i NEVER used them because they were so pricy i had to shave points somewhere and Bigbomm was always "meh" to me.

 Vineheart01 wrote:


i can see why some people would be miffed about the loss of BigBomm but personaly i NEVER used them because they were so pricy i had to shave points somewhere and Bigbomm was always "meh" to me.

They were free though

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
So, deffkoptaz, MSU Death Skulls or Evil Suns?

Easy death skull


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 Vineheart01 wrote:
i'll probably be dusting off my AOBR koptas as BadMoonz Rokkit Platforms lol

since Kanz dont get kultures for some stupid reason....

i can see why some people would be miffed about the loss of BigBomm but personaly i NEVER used them because they were so pricy i had to shave points somewhere and Bigbomm was always "meh" to me.

Well big bom were free so no point in NOT having them.

83 point kopta, rokkits and bigbomm

54 point kopta, rokkits.

I know which one I want.

New article up about the looted wagons..

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/10/29/orktober-never-ends/

"[...]this year’s edition contains rules and guidelines for fielding pretty much any kind of Looted Wagon you can dream up for open play."

So many options but open play only then

Ah yes, open play. That part of the rulebook aimed at unicorns, fairies, people who need rules to tell them how to play without rules, and other mythical creatures. Where cool rules go to die.

I rather see it as a fence with a "competitive players stay out" sign on it.

Is there any place that has a summary of rules changes? Written out I mean?

the_scotsman wrote:
83 point kopta, rokkits and bigbomm

54 point kopta, rokkits.

I know which one I want.

Then again gw is idiot if they thought bom/ was 19pts. Which they didn#t. For them bomb was 0 pts

tneva82 wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
83 point kopta, rokkits and bigbomm

54 point kopta, rokkits.

I know which one I want.

Then again gw is idiot if they thought bom/ was 19pts. Which they didn#t. For them bomb was 0 pts

How could you possibly know that? I think it'd be likely that they thought the bombs were worth quite a few points and they realised the koptas were simply too expensive. A pincer manoeuvre point drop

Looted wagons is AMAZING

now before you all complain that they're only for open play just think about having looted wagons in matched it would be absolutely RIDICULOUS.

Put it this way, at least it is a thing. Ive seen a LOT of posts that are whining 'bring back looted wagons' well here they are. Happy?

Many many people are going to put in a lot of work for awesome conversions and have a lot of fun with it I imagine. It's amazing that it's going to be a thing I the first place.

As long as there is more choice with the Looted Wagons than there were for the Land Raiders. The build a Land Raider thing really wasnt great.

PiñaColada wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
83 point kopta, rokkits and bigbomm

54 point kopta, rokkits.

I know which one I want.

Then again gw is idiot if they thought bom/ was 19pts. Which they didn#t. For them bomb was 0 pts

How could you possibly know that? I think it'd be likely that they thought the bombs were worth quite a few points and they realised the koptas were simply too expensive. A pincer manoeuvre point drop

Look at the index. Kopta with bomb and without same cost. 0 pts.

Also even if they decided to give value to bombs why you think it would be 19 pts and not say 3? Why gw would give 19pts price hike to bombs?

tneva82 wrote:

PiñaColada wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
83 point kopta, rokkits and bigbomm

54 point kopta, rokkits.

I know which one I want.

Then again gw is idiot if they thought bom/ was 19pts. Which they didn#t. For them bomb was 0 pts

How could you possibly know that? I think it'd be likely that they thought the bombs were worth quite a few points and they realised the koptas were simply too expensive. A pincer manoeuvre point drop

Look at the index. Kopta with bomb and without same cost. 0 pts.

Also even if they decided to give value to bombs why you think it would be 19 pts and not say 3? Why gw would give 19pts price hike to bombs?

The zero point thing is just for strict wysiwyg people I imagine. It's the same thing as with the stompa, the supa rokkits are 0 points and you can take up to 5, why would you ever take less than 5? As in they are included in the cost as much as the mek speshul is on the boomdakka snazzwagon and the only reason you would not take it is for cosmetic purposes. EDIT: Obviously you have to take the mek speshul, I merely mean that 0 points doesn't equate free

As I said, I don't think the bombs make up for the entire point difference, but I'd wager GW thought they were worth 10ish points each and the rest of the reduction just came from a normal price cut.

the_scotsman wrote:
Honestly the bases on these things have the same problem that biker bases on warbikes have: Games Workshop hasn't figured out that in order for a model to stay glued to a base, it really should have little flat spots on the bottom of the wheels for contact, and it REALLY REALLY shouldn't have spikes/knobbles on the bottoms of wheels to reduce the contact area even further to .00001mm.

1) put the car on flat sheet of sandpaper (or just grab your file)
2) move back and forth a few times;
3) ...profit?

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Indexes aren't going anywhere. It's tournaments that will enforce their use or not.

It may have already started.

To be frank, i never even looked at Koptas in the index because they were so overpriced. I saw they were MORE expensive than a Kan for zilch melee, much squishier, and similar shooting (4+ 1 shot vs 5+ 2shots), nope didnt want'm.
Lack of bigbomm for less cost was a previous-edition mentality. Should have specified lol my bad.

What exactly is the difference between Matched and Open play anyway? Until the Looted Wagons rules i never even thought about Open play being more than the format you'd use for custom rules/models you homebrewed

 McMagnus Mindbullets wrote:

Many many people are going to put in a lot of work for awesome conversions and have a lot of fun with it I imagine. It's amazing that it's going to be a thing I the first place.

Respectfully, people create models, especially orky models, all the time without any rule attached. Or homebrew.
Ork Players wanted looted wagon rules they could use like it used to be. Useable in any kind of match. Using "ifs" does no good.

 Jidmah wrote:
I rather see it as a fence with a "competitive players stay out" sign on it.

Pretty much EVERYONE plays with points, at least where I live. From the most casual pick-up games to tournaments (even if only to avoid the extremely wacky PL system. Even in a casual match you want some semblance of balance). Maybe it's about time we get a division in "competitive matched play" (tournaments) and "casual matched play" (everything else). This, like the new Land Raider options, are excellent initiatives, but restricting them to Open Play means I can never field those units were I to build them. If there were something like a "casual matched play" mode these models and additional weapons/ parts could simply receive an appropriate points value and be usable in your average game without polluting tournaments with more imbalance. I mean, as a Space Wolves player I'd love to stuff my Land Raider full of Helfrost Cannons (and Lascannons? Don't think you can actually make an 8-Helfrost LR even with CA) to use it as a Main Battle Tank but I can't because it's open-play only.

I still have YET to see an explanation on why they remove a warboss in mega armor, but they FORCE you to take the big mek in mega armor.... warboss in mega armor was to meta breaking and had to be removed for the good of the game?? Flash gitz going up in price? Runtherd and painboy goes up by a dozen points? These are bs changes for seemingly no apparent reason.

What seems especially stupid is that points are pretty much required for any build-your-own looted wagon design system which isn't horribly restricted. If I want to make something with loads of big shootas, each of them is going to be like 0.2 power. And they are going to have to give new costs to all the weapons which are 0 points in the codex.

 Sal4m4nd3r wrote:
I still have YET to see an explanation on why they remove a warboss in mega armor, but they FORCE you to take the big mek in mega armor.... warboss in mega armor was to meta breaking and had to be removed for the good of the game??

They didnt have a model for it, but had a big mek in MA model.