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Today we have seen this appear on Warhammer-Community:

"we’ve had our first look at what we can expect in the fall with a sneak preview of a new endless spell:"



this came with a question: "But who could this strange sorcery be for? We’ll have to wait and see…"

Many thought this would mean a return of the Chaos Dwarves, without really believing it. One, streetsamurai, pointed a similar spell in the chaos dwarves magic.

 streetsamurai wrote:


Are they really bringing back Chaos dwarves??? There was a spell for them that was described exactly as a big flaming bull. Would buy the frag out of them, if they look good

This spell looks indeed very similar to Shadows of Hashut Doomroar which is summarised as follows:

 streetsamurai wrote:
well, i was referring to this one, but close enough

Shadows of Hashut
The air around the Sorcerer grows cold and a shadowy form begins to coalesce next to him. It forms a visage of Hashut, the mighty God of the Chaos Dwarfs. With a deafening roar, the shadow bull charges forward smashing everything out of its way.

Thanks for correcting me

Doomroar
The Sorcerer's eyes blaze with power and his head slowly begins to transform, taking on the aspect of the mighty Bull-God Hashut. Massive twisted horns spout from his temple and large flared nostrils belch forth smoke and fire. The transformed Sorcerer lifts his bull-head and bellows forth a deafening roar across the battlefield. Friends hearing it are filled with courage while enemies suffer a feeling of doom and dread. (source: http://www.chaos-dwarfs.com/wiki/index.php?title=Chaos_Dwarf_Magic)

The Great Taurus is an icon of the chaos dwarves http://www.solegends.com/citcat1996usfb/c1996usfbp0163-01.htm

This leads me to believe that we might see chaos dwarves soon.

Now, FW does have the Legion of Azgorh in its range of miniatures so this might invalidate the idea that Chaos Dwarves are coming as plastic miniatures any time soon.

Stretching further, it seems Moonclan could be coming soon for AoS, they are greenskins and, unless completely mistaken, greenskins are sometimes used by chaos dwarves (mentions of slaves and expendable complementary troops in the lore if not mistaken).

Would it be possible that we are about to see a new set combining both Moonclan and Chaos Dwarves?

This is speculation based on a couple of elements, so please apply appropriate amount of salt.

I feel the endless spell bull head is looking quite close to the one on the cover (teeth, grin, eyes)

 skullking wrote:
The face of the bull really reminds me of the Beastman Ghorgon, and the minotaurs.

Indeed, they are very much alike, I put them next to each other based on a 360° capture for the Ghorgon

 skullking wrote:

I really doubt they’d release the green skins and the chaos dwarfs at the same time. Iirc gork & mork killed hashut, so I doubt CD would be jazzed about greenskins.

That would give a very good excuse for a clash between chaos dwarfs and greenskins.

Leggy wrote:
A black, burning bull is so Chaos Dwarf that I didn't even Consider beastmen until I saw this thread. Moon Khan and Darkoath are definitely meant to be first but I can't see how this isn't a hashut Duardin teaser

My feeling as well, hence my speculative theory.

Someone on the Grand Alliance forum who I believe has been right about a few things did mention Darkoath coming at some point with Beastmen included. Could be that.

well, i was referring to this one, but close enough

Shadows of Hashut
The air around the Sorcerer grows cold and a shadowy form begins to coalesce next to him. It forms a visage of Hashut, the mighty God of the Chaos Dwarfs. With a deafening roar, the shadow bull charges forward smashing everything out of its way.

As much as I’d love this to be the case, I have a feeling it’s for another army.

The face of the bull really reminds me of the Beastman Ghorgon, and the minotaurs.



I really doubt they’d release the green skins and the chaos dwarfs at the same time. Iirc gork & mork killed hashut, so I doubt CD would be jazzed about greenskins.

As I say, I would love this to be GW chaos dwarfs more than anything, so, I’m certainly not throwing out this theory.

I'd be down for beatmen also, they are probably my favourite army in WHFB.

If it is indeed CD, I hope they don't look anything like FW Legion of Azgorh. Damn were they boring and dissapointing, especially these ridiculous train-warmachine.

Any new faction added to AoS will be totally different from WHFB factions of old. So no CD.

Rebooted or reimagined =\= doesn't exist.

So every chance of CD.

But personally I'd lean towards Beastmen.

 skullking wrote:
As much as I’d love this to be the case, I have a feeling it’s for another army.

The face of the bull really reminds me of the Beastman Ghorgon, and the minotaurs.

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I really doubt they’d release the green skins and the chaos dwarfs at the same time. Iirc gork & mork killed hashut, so I doubt CD would be jazzed about greenskins.

As I say, I would love this to be GW chaos dwarfs more than anything, so, I’m certainly not throwing out this theory.

I believe all the green skins were slaves, except hobgoblins who were overseers of the slaves-I don't think they thought too highly of them in the old world either.

It is 100% beastmen.

It would be interesting to see what they do with the Chaos Dwarves if they do bring them back.

While I'm no fan of the asinine naming scheme they are using in AoS, I do like the way the Dwarves are individual factions with differing goals now. A fourth Dwarf faction on the side of destruction would be a cool addition.

I wish it were Chaos Dwarves, as ForgeWorld's ironsworn models suck. Their helmets ruin the whole aesthetic.



But it's probably Beastmen. Which is good, it shows they actually do care about the non human devotees of Chaos.

A black, burning bull is so Chaos Dwarf that I didn't even Consider beastmen until I saw this thread. Moon Khan and Darkoath are definitely meant to be first but I can't see how this isn't a hashut Duardin teaser

A raging firebull seems kinda darkoathy to me. I know its not based in tje build up ofnold warhammer lore, but age of sigmar isnt proving to ne nearly as nostalgic as 40k with its new releases. So of the new things, darkoath or khorne are what Inwould suspect. And of the two darkoath are what I want!

I got to admit when I saw the bull my thought quickly went to chaos dwarfs. Forgeworld has been quietly taking down almost all of their warmachines after all.

But I agree this could easily be related to the brayherd or warherd. Actully the warherd is abit of a bare bones army with just a charater, troops and two monsters... tho I think I would rather just see them get rules for mixing easily with Bray herd agien.

Although... to throw another stone in the pond... they are making a Chaos Dwarf team for Blood Bowl... so we can but hope for one for AOS!

No, it really is just beastmen.

I'd be happy for beastmen and darkoath to get a big boost. Remember, the various factions that got a character in Malign Portents are likely to be getting new ranges. We got the Sacrosanct Chamber and the Nighthaunt, there's big hints that we're getting Goblins next, and the last one is the Darkoath Queen.

I'd bet that this is going to tie in with Darkoath getting an update.

To my knowledge, we've yet to see a Forgeworld faction picked up by GW as the basis of an AoS army, so I'm doubtful it'll be Chaos Dwarfs. I'm assuming it'll be Darkoath sense we've actually had credible rumor sources mention them as one of the next armies. If you're expecting Chaos Dwarfs, I'd temper that expectation to avoid disappointment.

I've never really cared for the FW chaos dwarfs but if a set of proper big hats were to appear, oh boy my wallet would be in trouble.

How would big hats differentiate themselves from the current AoS crop of armies, besides with their resplendent headwear?

Go all out daemon engines and twisted machinery? Bring back the hobgoblins?

As long as it would supply me with more Bull Centaurs, I don't care if Beastmen or the Big Hats come marching in.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
How would big hats differentiate themselves from the current AoS crop of armies, besides with their resplendent headwear?

Go all out daemon engines and twisted machinery? Bring back the hobgoblins?

As long as it would supply me with more Bull Centaurs, I don't care if Beastmen or the Big Hats come marching in.

They don't have to "differentiate themselves" too much, provided they're actually "Chaos Dwarfs". Them being an actual Chaos army with large amounts of ranged weaponry and spellcasting would be kind of a big deal.

Man, CD going plastic with a Battletome and what not would get me so excited. As much as I like AoS as a game, none of the current armies (minus old world ones without battletomes) really are all the exciting to me. CD with a plastic range could definitely change that.

That said, I think it's much more likely something for Beastmen or Darkoath (who could be cool I guess). I just don't see GW putting out a full plastic range of an army they have that is resin.

I don't know why it would be Brayherds. They're a complete faction, albeit a small one. The Tuskgors could use an update, and a plastic Beastlord wouldn't be unappreciated, but there's so much else that I'd expect to be a priority over that. Same with Warherds. They'd need a wizard to be able to use an endless spell, but that's not what they're for as a faction.

Knowing they're on the horizon, it makes far more sense that it'll be for Darkoaths. I'd be surprised if they don't get a shaman hero, even without the endless spell, so there'd be someone to use it. Even though it seems to be a perfect match for that Legions of Azorgh spell, do we really think they'd have been able to keep that a secret so far into development? Would be odd to tease them before the known upcoming factions have seen the light of day, and even weirder if they managed to jump the line.

Could be a Legions of Nagash style release bringing everything non god specific into one book.

Perhaps all the little subfactions have been rounded up by these Darkoath characters.

Good point Eldarain, some sort of "Chaos Undivided" Battle Tome (which includes the Darkoath releases) with this as one of the spells would make sense.

The rumor is Darkoath are getting a full battletome.

So Moonstone over on tga who is a semi reliable rumour sharer, said that beastmen are getting a legions of Nagash style book, but the only new models will be a set of three endless spells. The lack of new minis would be more than a little disappointing if true.

WholeHazelNuts wrote:
Although... to throw another stone in the pond... they are making a Chaos Dwarf team for Blood Bowl... so we can but hope for one for AOS!

I haven't heard that a CD team for Blood Bowl is in the works. Are they actually actively working on one? Or did you just mean this in the sense that they will eventually make one? I would be absolutely stoked if the next team for BB was CD (the only thing I'd like more would be some variety of Undead).

What if Darkoath ends up including Chaos Dwarf related units? You never know....

Possible, but that doesn't line up with anything I've heard from the usual rumormongers. I really think this is most likely related to the Beastmen "Legions of . . . " book if that really is coming. This thread is honestly the first I'm hearing of it, but when they previewed the factions leading up to 2.0, Brayherds, Warherds, and Thunderscorn were all done together, so I could see them putting out a battletome to combine the "beastly" Chaos forces.

I may have to bookmark this thread so I can pull it up in December/January when people are complaining about GW not releasing the Chaos Dwarfs. This community is as bad as any I've seen when it comes to getting salty about a company not keeping promises it never made. This may end up being a preview for Chaos Dwarfs, but please keep in mind that absolutely no rumormongers I'm aware of have mentioned anything about them thus far. Everything in this thread is speculation.