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The German Lexicanum is much better than the English Lexicanum because Lexicanum was a German project. Lynata has noted this before. I love the German Lexicanum, as it is much more moderated than the English Lexicanum and much more reliable. What does everyone think?

Hmm. Usually when googling 40K things I'm linked to the german lexicanum site for obvious reasons. After reading the article I usually switch to English and realize there is much more information, that is also properly cited and current whereas a lot of information in the german articles doesn't seem to be up to date.

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
Hmm. Usually when googling 40K things I'm linked to the german lexicanum site for obvious reasons. After reading the article I usually switch to English and realize there is much more information, that is also properly cited and current whereas a lot of information in the german articles doesn't seem to be up to date.

The German Lexicanum is much more moderated.

Onething123456 wrote:

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
Hmm. Usually when googling 40K things I'm linked to the german lexicanum site for obvious reasons. After reading the article I usually switch to English and realize there is much more information, that is also properly cited and current whereas a lot of information in the german articles doesn't seem to be up to date.

The German Lexicanum is much more moderated.

Could you show me an example of this? A comparison of two articles where you'd say the german one is superior?

Sgt. Cortez wrote:

Onething123456 wrote:

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
Hmm. Usually when googling 40K things I'm linked to the german lexicanum site for obvious reasons. After reading the article I usually switch to English and realize there is much more information, that is also properly cited and current whereas a lot of information in the german articles doesn't seem to be up to date.

The German Lexicanum is much more moderated.

Could you show me an example of this? A comparison of two articles where you'd say the german one is superior?

I thought it was obvious just looking at it? Its a fact. Do you realize Lexicanum was a German Project? And thus is much more moderated than the English Lexicanum.


Take this quote from Inquisitor S.

The reason for that is simple: the Lexicanum is a German project. And the German side has always been very thoroughly moderated, which unfortunately did not happen with the English side. Long story short: all "English" sysops were removed and now the English Lexicanum is co-moderated by the "German" sysops. The goal is to bring the English Lexicanum up to the German Lexicanum standard.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/user/profile/52709.page

Dont speak German so.....

Yeah, well, now you wrote 3 times that it is better moderated but if there is less content I'd still choose the English version. The german version ist sill more reliable than warhammer wiki I guess.

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
Yeah, well, now you wrote 3 times that it is better moderated but if there is less content I'd still choose the English version. The german version ist sill more reliable than warhammer wiki I guess.

No duh. The German Lexicanum is much more moderated than the English Lexicanum because Lexicanum was a German project.

I get the feeling that I don't really understand what you mean by "moderated". Do you mean the articles are actually more reliable and there's no fanon going into them like with warhammer wiki? Do you mean the quotations are always up to date? Because if "moderation" doesn't mean "creating more content" I'd still say it stays behind the larger english lexicanum. It would really help me to understand what you mean if you showed an example of the superior moderation.

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
I get the feeling that I don't really understand what you mean by "moderated". Do you mean the articles are actually more reliable and there's no fanon going into them like with warhammer wiki? Do you mean the quotations are always up to date? Because if "moderation" doesn't mean "creating more content" I'd still say it stays behind the larger english lexicanum. It would really help me to understand what you mean if you showed an example of the superior moderation.

Yes, and I mean that German Lexicanum has moderators, more so than the English Lexicanum since Lexicanum was a German project.


and I just did show an example I showed you a user here (Inquisitor S.) saying it.


Surprisingly, most if not all information I found on Warhammer wiki is accurate. I read about the Laer there and found it almost verbatim in the Fulgrim book.

The wiki just goes on and on and on and on and on and on. Lex is so much better if you want to find out something quickly.

pm713 wrote:
The wiki just goes on and on and on and on and on and on. Lex is so much better if you want to find out something quickly.

And German Lexicanum has moderators (English Lexicanum does as well, but not as much as German Lexicanum).

Onething123456 wrote:

pm713 wrote:
The wiki just goes on and on and on and on and on and on. Lex is so much better if you want to find out something quickly.

And German Lexicanum has moderators (English Lexicanum does as well, but not as much as German Lexicanum).

That's nice. Irrelevant to what I said but it's nice to be told that the German lex has moderators for the fourth time.

pm713 wrote:

Onething123456 wrote:

pm713 wrote:
The wiki just goes on and on and on and on and on and on. Lex is so much better if you want to find out something quickly.

And German Lexicanum has moderators (English Lexicanum does as well, but not as much as German Lexicanum).

That's nice. Irrelevant to what I said but it's nice to be told that the German lex has moderators for the fourth time.

Alright. Sorry.

I'm not sure guys but I think the point here is the the German Lexicanum is better moderated than the English one because its a German project.
And the English one is moderated worse than the German one because its not a German project.

Yes you can quote me on this

gaza4 wrote:
I'm not sure guys but I think the point here is the the German Lexicanum is better moderated than the English one because its a German project.
And the English one is moderated worse than the German one because its not a German project.

Yes you can quote me on this

That's what I learned from a user here (Inquisitor S. I quoted and linked him), and what I saw on the German Lexicanum.

Truly, the massacre of electrons going on in this thread can easily rival even Kryptman's brightest ideas

 Irbis wrote:
Truly, the massacre of electrons going on in this thread can easily rival even Kryptman's brightest ideas

Alright?

Including quotes, the word Moderator, Moderate and Moderated appear roughly 23 times so far.

 kastelen wrote:
Including quotes, the word Moderator, Moderate and Moderated appear roughly 23 times so far.

I know. I stopped. Hope I have not anything wrong.

This thread feels like bait. I mean just because something starts as a project in one language doesn't make it better than a spin off in another language.

Is this the 40k version of dubs versus subs?

 ClockworkZion wrote:
This thread feels like bait. I mean just because something starts as a project in one language doesn't make it better than a spin off in another language.

Is this the 40k version of dubs versus subs?

It is better. I learned this from Inquisitor S.


I'm going to watch something.

Onething123456 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
This thread feels like bait. I mean just because something starts as a project in one language doesn't make it better than a spin off in another language.

Is this the 40k version of dubs versus subs?

It is better. I learned this from Inquisitor S.


I'm going to watch something.

I don't know, most of the game is in English and many sources never get German releases meaning it's more likely that the more complete version is going to inevitably be the English version due to the ease of cross referencing things in a single language. More moderation doesn't mean better moderation, it just means there is more potential censorship going on and as an American I have to poo-poo that by default so they don't deport me.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Onething123456 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
This thread feels like bait. I mean just because something starts as a project in one language doesn't make it better than a spin off in another language.

Is this the 40k version of dubs versus subs?

It is better. I learned this from Inquisitor S.


I'm going to watch something.

I don't know, most of the game is in English and many sources never get German releases meaning it's more likely that the more complete version is going to inevitably be the English version due to the ease of cross referencing things in a single language. More moderation doesn't mean better moderation, it just means there is more potential censorship going on and as an American I have to poo-poo that by default so they don't deport me.

I already said I learned it from Inquisitor S. and Lynata. But good bye.

Onething123456 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Onething123456 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
This thread feels like bait. I mean just because something starts as a project in one language doesn't make it better than a spin off in another language.

Is this the 40k version of dubs versus subs?

It is better. I learned this from Inquisitor S.

I'm going to watch something.

I don't know, most of the game is in English and many sources never get German releases meaning it's more likely that the more complete version is going to inevitably be the English version due to the ease of cross referencing things in a single language. More moderation doesn't mean better moderation, it just means there is more potential censorship going on and as an American I have to poo-poo that by default so they don't deport me.

I already said I learned it from Inquisitor S. and Lynata. But good bye.

Their opinion is subjective, not objective meaning it's prone to personal bias and has no definite metric to prove it is right. As such it's basically the same as being wrong.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Onething123456 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Onething123456 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
This thread feels like bait. I mean just because something starts as a project in one language doesn't make it better than a spin off in another language.

Is this the 40k version of dubs versus subs?

It is better. I learned this from Inquisitor S.

I'm going to watch something.

I don't know, most of the game is in English and many sources never get German releases meaning it's more likely that the more complete version is going to inevitably be the English version due to the ease of cross referencing things in a single language. More moderation doesn't mean better moderation, it just means there is more potential censorship going on and as an American I have to poo-poo that by default so they don't deport me.

I already said I learned it from Inquisitor S. and Lynata. But good bye.

Their opinion is subjective, not objective meaning it's prone to personal bias and has no definite metric to prove it is right. As such it's basically the same as being wrong.

Inquisitor S. was a mod there, and Lynata checked it out herself.

Onething123456 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Onething123456 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Onething123456 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
This thread feels like bait. I mean just because something starts as a project in one language doesn't make it better than a spin off in another language.

Is this the 40k version of dubs versus subs?

It is better. I learned this from Inquisitor S.

I'm going to watch something.

I don't know, most of the game is in English and many sources never get German releases meaning it's more likely that the more complete version is going to inevitably be the English version due to the ease of cross referencing things in a single language. More moderation doesn't mean better moderation, it just means there is more potential censorship going on and as an American I have to poo-poo that by default so they don't deport me.

I already said I learned it from Inquisitor S. and Lynata. But good bye.

Their opinion is subjective, not objective meaning it's prone to personal bias and has no definite metric to prove it is right. As such it's basically the same as being wrong.

Inquisitor S. was a mod there, and Lynata checked it out herself.

Which only proves how little objectivity you'd have in a project. Of course the version you personally work on is going to get your vote as the superior one, just like how I'm going to say my army is cooler than yours because it's my personal favorite. The more objective viewpoint are going to be those who use the service over those who are elbow deep in working on it.

Basically you're subscribing to a biased viewpoint, claiming it to be unbiased and then using it as the yardstick for how you make your decisions. This is just a bad way to make decisions about anything since you're being led by the nose by someone else's beliefs instead of forming your own out of your own observations and the viewpoints of multiple sources weighed against each other.

Using a single data point to determine proof is bad math, bad statistics and bad logic.


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 Grimtuff wrote:
Does the German lexicanum include loads of verbal diarrhea too?

I don't know if it does, but I bet it includes German translations of a lot of names, meaning it's going to be less accurate than English since it's a translation of the source material and not the actual direct source material.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Onething123456 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Onething123456 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Onething123456 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
This thread feels like bait. I mean just because something starts as a project in one language doesn't make it better than a spin off in another language.

Is this the 40k version of dubs versus subs?

It is better. I learned this from Inquisitor S.

I'm going to watch something.

I don't know, most of the game is in English and many sources never get German releases meaning it's more likely that the more complete version is going to inevitably be the English version due to the ease of cross referencing things in a single language. More moderation doesn't mean better moderation, it just means there is more potential censorship going on and as an American I have to poo-poo that by default so they don't deport me.

I already said I learned it from Inquisitor S. and Lynata. But good bye.

Their opinion is subjective, not objective meaning it's prone to personal bias and has no definite metric to prove it is right. As such it's basically the same as being wrong.

Inquisitor S. was a mod there, and Lynata checked it out herself.

Which only proves how little objectivity you'd have in a project. Of course the version you personally work on is going to get your vote as the superior one, just like how I'm going to say my army is cooler than yours because it's my personal favorite. The more objective viewpoint are going to be those who use the service over those who are elbow deep in working on it.

Basically you're subscribing to a biased viewpoint, claiming it to be unbiased and then using it as the yardstick for how you make your decisions. This is just a bad way to make decisions about anything since you're being led by the nose by someone else's beliefs instead of forming your own out of your own observations and the viewpoints of multiple sources weighed against each other.

Using a single data point to determine proof is bad math, bad statistics and bad logic.


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 Grimtuff wrote:
Does the German lexicanum include loads of verbal diarrhea too?

I don't know if it does, but I bet it includes German translations of a lot of names, meaning it's going to be less accurate than English since it's a translation of the source material and not the actual direct source material.

I don't understand what you are saying. They would know since they studied it.


Because translation can be inaccurate?

 Irbis wrote:
Truly, the massacre of electrons going on in this thread can easily rival even Kryptman's brightest ideas

Hey, Kryptman is the finest Inquisitor the Imperium has ever had. I mean he's from the Ordo Xenos and they're way better moderated than the Ordo Biologis when it comes to that stuff.

Onething123456 wrote:
I don't understand what you are saying. They would know since they studied it.

Because translation can be inaccurate?

The first part is a point about how someone who actively participates in a thing is going to be less objective than a passive observer about that same thing. It's human psychology to believe that your "thing" is better than the "other thing" just because it's the side your on. Just look at politics, sports teams, Apple vs Windows, or even Russ versus Magnus. People choose sides, and don't easilly shift those sides because they believe their side to be better/more correct than the other side, sometimes to the point of fanaticism.

We're literally wired to act this way, and that's why if you only use the opinions of those directly involved in a project to judge if that project is better than another project you'll be misled by the involved party's personal biases.

The second point was about translation inaccuracies. Even multi-million dolllar companies screw up translations, much less GW and it's fans.


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 n0t_u wrote:

 Irbis wrote:
Truly, the massacre of electrons going on in this thread can easily rival even Kryptman's brightest ideas

Hey, Kryptman is the finest Inquisitor the Imperium has ever had. I mean he's from the Ordo Xenos and they're way better moderated than the Ordo Biologis when it comes to that stuff.

Pft. Everyone knows Ordo Chronos is where it's at.